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B-Roy said:
Why not Gordon? He’s got an assist rate of 22.4% and it’s been on the rise every year. The Blazers desperately need a guy who can make plays off the short roll when Dame gets trapped and Gordon, while not the greatest player, definitely has the ability to do that. Way more so than anyone else on the team, including Nurk
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It would just be another person for Dame to botch lobs to...
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If you made a "most overrated player in the NBA" March madness bracket, who would be your 1 seeds?
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By our fan base?

Gordon would for sure be a #1 seed. Maybe even the top overall seed.

Up until this year Julius Randle would be a #1 seed. He's having a great year though so I think he's improved enough not to be anymore.

I'm having trouble thinking of people off the top of my head so I'm probably forgetting some obvious ones but my short list of players our fan base overrates includes Kelly Oubre, Josh Richardson, Lonzo Ball (at least for our team), Harrison Barnes, and Dillon Brooks (is he still well thought of?).
 
hoopsjock said:
By our fan base?

Gordon would for sure be a #1 seed. Maybe even the top overall seed.

Up until this year Julius Randle would be a #1 seed. He's having a great year though so I think he's improved enough not to be anymore.

I'm having trouble thinking of people off the top of my head so I'm probably forgetting some obvious ones but my short list of players our fan base overrates includes Kelly Oubre, Josh Richardson, Lonzo Ball (at least for our team), Harrison Barnes, and Dillon Brooks (is he still well thought of?).
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I was more thinking overall, by fans and media around the country. Like Buddy Hield, or Goran Dragic, or (my favorite) Kyle Kuzma...
 
illmatic99 said:
for me, it's more of a value play. for CJ, Gordon would absolutely not be worth it. But if it's for Hood and Simons, et al.... why not?
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Any other player other than Hood on the Blazers roster I'd rather have than Gordon.

B-Roy said:
Why not Gordon? He’s got an assist rate of 22.4% and it’s been on the rise every year. The Blazers desperately need a guy who can make plays off the short roll when Dame gets trapped and Gordon, while not the greatest player, definitely has the ability to do that. Way more so than anyone else on the team, including Nurk
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Evan Turner had a higher AST% his two years in Boston than Gordon does now. In my opinion on a team that doesn't really push the ball in transition a lot Gordon would be an Evan Turner like player who can dunk instead of lay it in. On top of that I refuse to believe a player with the athletic ability Gordon has wouldn't be a lot better than he is unless he has a questionable work ethic. That might be unfair but I don't like players who have improved very little in their 7 seasons in the NBA.

I also believe that the problem isn't the "short roll" player at all. Sure, just like with the defense if you put a better player in that position he'll of course make plays occasionally that a lesser player wouldn't but overall in order to truly combat the problem I think they have to come up with a way to not have to use PnR as much, not look to pass back to Dame immediately if he still has two guys on him, and have schemes that attack with a 4-3 advantage. In the playoffs last year Stotts blamed Nurk for not "adjusting to playoff basketball" instead of addressing why it is he's being put in those positions.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I was more thinking overall, by fans and media around the country. Like Buddy Hield, or Goran Dragic, or (my favorite) Kyle Kuzma...
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Oh I forgot Kuz, lol. He's definitely up there.

I saw a conversation on Twitter before the draft that multiple people were saying they would take Lonzo Ball over any player in the draft. That was crazy to me. He's had stretches where he looks great but he also has stretches where he looks unplayable (like in the bubble).
 
Gordon defense stats is decent and rebounds around 7 game. He shoots 36 from the 3. Now by looking just at his stats is he the missing piece my answer no but could be a good piece my answer is yes. But I trade the farm him no. He get almost 12 shots a game right now to get his 13.5 average but the question is will he get that many attempt here in Portland playing along side Dame and CJ probably not. Our offense is base on guard play and the forward positions don't get many attempt majority of the games. Plus Gordon seems he always get hurt. If there a good trade to get him go for but I wouldn't give up no major pieces for him. He only have play 19 games this year.
 
hoopsjock said:
Any other player other than Hood on the Blazers roster I'd rather have than Gordon.


Evan Turner had a higher AST% his two years in Boston than Gordon does now. In my opinion on a team that doesn't really push the ball in transition a lot Gordon would be an Evan Turner like player who can dunk instead of lay it in. On top of that I refuse to believe a player with the athletic ability Gordon has wouldn't be a lot better than he is unless he has a questionable work ethic. That might be unfair but I don't like players who have improved very little in their 7 seasons in the NBA.

I also believe that the problem isn't the "short roll" player at all. Sure, just like with the defense if you put a better player in that position he'll of course make plays occasionally that a lesser player wouldn't but overall in order to truly combat the problem I think they have to come up with a way to not have to use PnR as much, not look to pass back to Dame immediately if he still has two guys on him, and have schemes that attack with a 4-3 advantage. In the playoffs last year Stotts blamed Nurk for not "adjusting to playoff basketball" instead of addressing why it is he's being put in those positions.
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is all this based on the premise that stotts would outlast Gordon here?
 
illmatic99 said:
The most likely target will be a wing, and preferably one who can shoot, as teams are more aggressively trapping Lillard to get the ball out of his hands. But wings who can shoot are a commodity, which could push the attention to backup point guard.

Neil is allergic to big men. But Hill and/or Porter would be terrific additions. I also maintain interest in Ariza if league rules allowed his return to Portland
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A wing who can shoot. You mean like Nas?
 
B-Roy said:
Why not Gordon? He’s got an assist rate of 22.4% and it’s been on the rise every year. The Blazers desperately need a guy who can make plays off the short roll when Dame gets trapped and Gordon, while not the greatest player, definitely has the ability to do that. Way more so than anyone else on the team, including Nurk
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i'm also curious to see how he'd fare with Dame as his PG. The best guard he has played with in his career has been DJ Augustin. Fultz was coming along this year but got hurt.
 
Mediocre Man said:
A wing who can shoot. You mean like Nas?
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It's not often that I agree with you, but when I do...you probably want to rethink your position.

Seriously though, watching Nas play during the last few weeks has been eye-opening. The guy has a strong motor, is athletic as hell, and has developed a nice shooting stroke. His defense is a work in progress, to say the least, and he needs more experience to put everything together, but I feel like he is the Blazers' SF of the future.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think they trade him. I think he's one of the that aren't on the table.
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I'm sure you're right, but they have lost 13 in a row without him, and Oladipo is not likely to re-sign. They seem like a hot mess. Injecting some youth isn't the worst idea...
 
Prediction: we're gonna talk for a couple weeks and then nothing will happen because Neil is happy with the roster as it is.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Prediction: we're gonna talk for a couple weeks and then nothing will happen because Neil is happy with the roster as it is.
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Not sure that "happy with the roster as it is" is the correct take. Any GM worth his salt is always looking to upgrade. That said, I think Olshey may not have the pieces available to make a trade for an impact player. I know that a lot of you want to see him trade CJ, but those kind of deals involving expensive players in their prime don't often happen at the deadline.
 
It’s sad that the most we can look forward to is a minor move around the edges, when it’s clear this team is completely unequipped to win more than one series.
 
illmatic99 said:
is all this based on the premise that stotts would outlast Gordon here?
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Partly, like I said though I don't like that players as athletically gifted as AG is don't seem to show much improvement throughout their career. Certain individuals have gotten by on that athleticism their whole lives and don't have to work as hard to get to where they are, unlike guys like Dame and CJ who had to have that work ethic or they would've never made it. I'm not saying I know this for sure about AG but he fits the mold and I don't like to trade for players that are like that. I'd much rather take a chance on a younger guy booming in a new situation, like say AG's teammate Mo Bamba even though there's a chance he doesn't have a good work ethic either.
 
James lamphear said:
Gordon defense stats is decent and rebounds around 7 game. He shoots 36 from the 3. Now by looking just at his stats is he the missing piece my answer no but could be a good piece my answer is yes. But I trade the farm him no. He get almost 12 shots a game right now to get his 13.5 average but the question is will he get that many attempt here in Portland playing along side Dame and CJ probably not. Our offense is base on guard play and the forward positions don't get many attempt majority of the games. Plus Gordon seems he always get hurt. If there a good trade to get him go for but I wouldn't give up no major pieces for him. He only have play 19 games this year.
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AG had other years that he got off to hot starts shooting the 3 and finished shooting around 30-32% in those years. I don't think 19 games outweighs his whole career.
 
Freshtown said:
It’s sad that the most we can look forward to is a minor move around the edges, when it’s clear this team is completely unequipped to win more than one series.
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What major move would you like to see with the players that are reportedly on the block right now?
 
I really like the idea of trading for Aaron Gordon, seems feasible with them getting Trent, actually make sense for both teams.

Hood Trent Collins and maybe a conditional pick.

I'm not sure if we could stay under the tax with such a move as we need to fill a couple roster spots? It would be really close.

Nurk Kanter Giles
Gordon Melo
Roco Little
CJ DJJ
Dame Simons

I like that group.

Gordon defense is good, he can be a bit of a 3rd offensive creator when Dame is trapped.

Trent defense doesn't help much as Roco/DJJ does, and Trent's offense is one dimensional far below CJ, I don't see him as that important for the playoffs. Plus he might get a huge extension, while the Blazers would be better in future years to invest those dollars in 3+D players. The Magic can afford to resign Trent as a focal of their offense as they don't have Lillard+CJ on huge deals.
 
hoopsjock said:
Partly, like I said though I don't like that players as athletically gifted as AG is don't seem to show much improvement throughout their career. Certain individuals have gotten by on that athleticism their whole lives and don't have to work as hard to get to where they are, unlike guys like Dame and CJ who had to have that work ethic or they would've never made it. I'm not saying I know this for sure about AG but he fits the mold and I don't like to trade for players that are like that. I'd much rather take a chance on a younger guy booming in a new situation, like say AG's teammate Mo Bamba even though there's a chance he doesn't have a good work ethic either.
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We just traded away two future firsts for Roco. We're not in the market for Mo Bamba. Aint nobody got time to wait for him to maybe become a bench player. If we can land a legit starter like Gordon, and we identify him as a good fit, we have to go for it. Besides, all the proposals here call for us to give away not much value. Low risk, high reward.
 
I'm not sure about trading for a four.

Can RoCo still play small forward? He seems like more of a four at this point.
 
illmatic99 said:
We just traded away two future firsts for Roco. We're not in the market for Mo Bamba. Aint nobody got time to wait for him to maybe become a bench player. If we can land a legit starter like Gordon, and we identify him as a good fit, we have to go for it. Besides, all the proposals here call for us to give away not much value. Low risk, high reward.
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That wasn't my point at all. I was talking about in general terms I'd rather trade for potential of a younger player than someone who is 7 years in the league and hasn't improved much, not that I want the Blazers to trade for either.

As for AG, again, I'd rather have any player on our roster than him other than Hood. I'd rather just give those minutes to Little than trade pieces (like that horrible trade above) to get a player who isn't very good and would be one of the worst fits imaginable under Stotts.
 
@hoopsjock as much as i agree with you about Terry's incompetence, I 100% disagree with you about investing in potential at this stage in Dames career. Think youre in line with this but you don't think Gordon fits that bill. I disagree but nbd.
 
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