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HCP you know that starting lineup doesn't give us our most effective rotations!

Roy, Blake, Batum, LA and Pryz went 27-11 last year. Roy and LA should get any and all shots that they want, no reason to have Greg, Dre and Martell out there when they aren't getting shots.

Dre and Greg need to play together, period.

Dre is the best lob passer in the league and on a unit with Greg, Martell, and Rudy there are plenty of lobs to go around. I agree Miller should play 30 minutes but it should be coming off the bench.

Blake should be playing similar to Batum last year, get the start but play 15-20 minutes a night. Blake is the ultimate compliment to Roy and no doubt is more valuable in our offense than any other in the league. He just fits and allows Brandon to do what he does best.

Same with Greg, 30 minutes a night but be coming off the bench.

I absolutely believe Brandon and Dre can play well together but to be the most effective over 48 minutes, their minutes should be staggered as much as possible. When the offense isn't all about Brandon and LA, it should be Andre and Greg.

I love all of the idiots on here calling for Nate's head. All he has done is taken this franchise from the worst in the league and 21 wins to 54 in 3 years. Team's do not win in this league without role players and chemistry which can be much more valuable than talent. Let Nate bake his damn cake!!!!! If it doesn't work 20 games into the season then start bitching and tell me you told me so, in the mean time Go Blazers.
Do you envision Greg coming off the bench his entire career?

No?

Then why not have him start building some chemistry with the two other players we know for sure will be here a few years down the road? The entire roster could be different in a few short years, but one thing will (should) stay the same-- Roy, LMA and Oden.
 
Do you envision Greg coming off the bench his entire career?

No?

Then why not have him start building some chemistry with the two other players we know for sure will be here a few years down the road? The entire roster could be different in a few short years, but one thing will (should) stay the same-- Roy, LMA and Oden.

If Greg is playing 30 mpg, and Aldridge and Roy are playing 36 mpg, they would spend plenty of time on the court together, even if Greg came off the bench. For instance (overly simplistic rotation):

1Q
12:00-6:00 Blake/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Joel
06:00-3:00 Miller/Roy/Webster/Aldridge/Oden
03:00-0:00 Miller/Rudy/Webster/Outlaw/Oden
2Q
12:00-9:00 Miller/Rudy/Webster/Outlaw/Oden
09:00-6:00 Blake/Rudy/Roy/Aldridge/Joel
06:00-3:00 Miller/Rudy/Roy/Aldridge/Oden
03:00-0:00 Miller/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden

36 mpg for Roy and Aldridge, 30 mpg for Miller and Oden--all four of them on the floor together for 18 mpg. Not terribly tough.
 
If Greg is playing 30 mpg, and Aldridge and Roy are playing 36 mpg, they would spend plenty of time on the court together, even if Greg came off the bench. For instance (overly simplistic rotation):

1Q
12:00-6:00 Blake/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Joel
06:00-3:00 Miller/Roy/Webster/Aldridge/Oden
03:00-0:00 Miller/Rudy/Webster/Outlaw/Oden
2Q
12:00-9:00 Miller/Rudy/Webster/Outlaw/Oden
09:00-6:00 Blake/Rudy/Roy/Aldridge/Joel
06:00-3:00 Miller/Rudy/Roy/Aldridge/Oden
03:00-0:00 Miller/Roy/Batum/Aldridge/Oden

36 mpg for Roy and Aldridge, 30 mpg for Miller and Oden--all four of them on the floor together for 18 mpg. Not terribly tough.
While reassuring they could play 1.5 quarters together, I'd just assume see Oden on the floor to start. That's where he will ultimately be, and he's been outplaying Przybilla thus far.
 
While reassuring they could play 1.5 quarters together, I'd just assume see Oden on the floor to start. That's where he will ultimately be, and he's been outplaying Przybilla thus far.

Ultimately yes, but Miller is going to help Greg more this year than any other single player on our team will. And yes he will be on the floor with Brandon and LA as well but it doesn't need to be all at once.
 
When I started reading this post I thought I would be the only one supporting Nate's decision. Glad to see we got a lot of well thought out responses also supporting.

HCP made a good point that this starting unit won 54 games last year and they did it with a pretty weak 2nd unit. How much better could they be with a strong 2nd unit?

Also several posters pointed out that starting doesn't mean they will be playing the majority of minutes, especially in the case of Blake and Pryzbilla. Miller and Oden will probably play the majority of minutes. Everyone will play the majority of their individual minutes with units that they feel comfortable with and can be most effective with.

I disagree with posters who think Roy needs to reinvent his game to mesh with Miller. Have the Lakers ever brought in a point guard and told Kobe he needs to change to mesh with him? Do you want to reduce Roy to an offball guard? I'm not sure he could even be effective at that, it's possible he can't get into a good scoring rhythm.

As far as Oden's confidence, I don't think it will be a problem. McMillan may actually feel there will be less pressure on him on the 2nd unit and he therefore may play with more looseness and confidence.
 
Yes, because clearly outplaying Przybilla in the preseason thus far only to still remain on the bench will increase his confidence ten fold.
 
I disagree with posters who think Roy needs to reinvent his game to mesh with Miller. Have the Lakers ever brought in a point guard and told Kobe he needs to change to mesh with him? Do you want to reduce Roy to an offball guard? I'm not sure he could even be effective at that, it's possible he can't get into a good scoring rhythm.

I don't think it's so much reinvent himself to fit with Miller, although being flexible enough to play with anyone is always good. It's changing it up a bit to be able to play with Oden that is the biggest issue. If we are forced to play him off the bench, just so he can get touches...I dunno.
 
It amazes me that people still can't see that apparently worse players can be better for the team. I guess that's why Allen Iverson got a job in Memphis. As did Zach Randolph. Were you clamoring for Pritchard's head when he got rid of Zach's 20 and 10?

Define "completely eclipse"? To me all that matters is if the team does better with him on the floor over Joel. Prove that and you'll have a case.

Depends. Given that we won 54 games, by almost all measures overachieving, I'd guess things are okay. Presumably you think we'd've won more starting different players. The way to prove that is to show that your preferred starting lineup would do better. But not just that. You'd also have to show that the lineup of the players left over works off the bench. Because if it doesn't, and the team loses more games despite having a stellar starting lineup, then I'd have to say your idea is dumb.

Newsflash: that's not Przybilla's role. And Oden can do that just as well coming off the bench, where his scoring is more needed and Przybilla's defense less needed.

A.) If you are comparing Oden's abilities to generate more shots and score effeciently to Iverson and Randolf, you are high. Have you even seen Greg play this season?

B.) I hated Stat-Bo with every fiber of my being. Lazy ball hog pile of horse shit. It is insulting to Greg to even compare the two.

C.) No evidence, yet. If Portland is 20 games into the season and playing .500 ball with this starting line-up then I will. BTW, in last nights game Portland fell behind in the first quarter. Again. Came up short, too. I wonder if having more offensive threats on the floor would have helped?

D.) I would say that Oden has played better then Joel by a wide margin. During the games I watched, he did every single thing Joel did. Plus he could score and the other team had to guard him.

E.) If you believe that playing the last 3 quarters of every game from behind is a reciepe for success I have no way of convincing you otherwise. My take is that the best teams get ahead early then don't let the other team back in the game.

Also, I would direct you to Portlands road record versus West Coast playoff teams last season. IIRC, it was 2 and 11, with one win only coming because CP3 got hurt at the begining of the 3rd quarter. Not exactly an awesome winning percentage. Could it be possible that falling behind to start the game had some sort of role in this horrific win/loss record? I would say yes.

Since the only teams Portland will face in the playoffs are the best teams and scoring slows down in the playoffs, it stands to reason they don't want to establish a playing style that requires that Portland get behind before giving it their all.

If they continue to do so this season, expect another first round exit.

The bottom line to me is that Portland played well enough to beat bad teams by coming from behind. That strategy doesn't work for shit against a good team. If Portland wants to become a contender they are going to have to figure out how to get the jump on the opponent. If that requires Joel start, so be it. However, we have nearly 60 games of evidence that suggests last years starting lineup couldn't get it done.

To continue to do the exact same thing over and over again expecting radically different results is foolish/boarderline insane.
 
I noticed that. I also noticed, that despite that, even in the first half, the team was a net negative when Oden was on the floor.

And for all the good things Oden has done this preseason, we've lost two in a row (and the other two don't count, because they were against the fucking Kings) and neither of our BEST TWO PLAYERS has looked in sync. If I was Nate, I'd be getting alarmed and reach for the security of a system that worked, at least to start the season.

What did we learn this preseason? That Oden is much improved? Absolutely. Does that mean he "deserves" to start? Of course not. Where does this idea of "deserves" come from? You deserve to start if having you in the starting lineup means we win more. Has that been proved? Of course not.

It comes from Nate before camp saying that the players will decide who starts through their play.

Portland has now lost 100% of all of their games with Joel starting this post season. Which of course tells us nothing.

There will be a learning period having Oden in the lineup instead of Joel. Frankly, Roy and LMA haven't been used to passing the ball into the middle because doing so with Joel was pointless.

Ask yourself this: In the long run do you see a starting lineup of Blake, Roy, <who gives a shit>, LMA and Joel winning a title? I don't. No inside scoring threat = early playoff exit.
 

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