Quick on Wheels at Work

[OSUBlazerfan]

Greg Oden, Joel Przybilla and Andre Miller for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor.

Need to add Batum

 

[mook]

A swap straight across of Roy for Chris Paul makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Roy is probably the best young talent New Orleans would see offered for Paul. It's not a fair trade, but it's as close to fair as you are probably going to get when you are talking about trading a top 5 NBA player.

For Portland, man, can you just imagine Chris Paul feeding Batum, Oden and Aldridge all night? We could even live with Webster or Bayless as the other starting swingman if you have Chris Paul creating wide open jumpers.

We'd have to line up another trade to get rid of Andre Miller, but really, is that so hard? He's a solid starting point guard on a pretty short contract. And Miller is starting to get up there in years--maybe he's ok coming off the bench. He wasn't happy playing behind Blake, but come on--it was Steve Freakin' Blake.

It sounds weird, but I'd actually rather see a trade that involves Roy as the main ingredient than Batum, if the guy coming back is Paul. I just think Batum fits in better with Paul's game.

 

[LameR]

Just said that Monty said Paul was the main reason he went there. I don't see them getting rid of him.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Just said that Monty said Paul was the main reason he went there. I don't see them getting rid of him.

You're gonna believe that? not saying its true, but of course he is going to back CP3

 

[Cake]

Need to add Batum

You can't possibly be serious, can you?

Do you undervalue our players (and the cap relief that Przybilla and Miller would provide) that much?

Oden is, despite his injuries, a tremendous prospect. Chris Paul is a wonderful player, but he's also had some significant injuries. Okafor is okay, but his contract is a millstone that New Orleans is desperate to remove from around their neck. This is a fair trade and I strongly believe that this is along the lines of what the discussion has centered around. Adding Batum greatly swings the deal in their favor. Just...greatly. We refused the #4 pick for Batum. We're not throwing him into a deal that already includes Greg Oden.

The deal as I outlined it is just about the only thing that makes sense. We give up great potential for a great known quantity and they get cap relief.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

You can't possibly be serious, can you?

Do you undervalue our players (and the cap relief that Przybilla and Miller would provide) that much?

Oden is, despite his injuries, a tremendous prospect. Chris Paul is a wonderful player, but he's also had some significant injuries. Okafor is okay, but his contract is a millstone that New Orleans is desperate to remove from around their neck. This is a fair trade and I strongly believe that this is along the lines of what the discussion has centered around. Adding Batum greatly swings the deal in their favor. Just...greatly. We refused the #4 pick for Batum. We're not throwing him into a deal that already includes Greg Oden.

The deal as I outlined it is just about the only thing that makes sense. We give up great potential for a great known quantity and they get cap relief.

Im not saying its fair, im saying thats what the blazers would need to add to get CP3

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Greg Oden, Joel Przybilla and Andre Miller for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor.

Need to subtract Oden.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

You are left with Chris Paul, BRoy, and LMA

are you kidding me? I do that yesterday today and tomorrow

EDIT: For Cake

 

[Cake]

A swap straight across of Roy for Chris Paul makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Roy is probably the best young talent New Orleans would see offered for Paul. It's not a fair trade, but it's as close to fair as you are probably going to get when you are talking about trading a top 5 NBA player.

For Portland, man, can you just imagine Chris Paul feeding Batum, Oden and Aldridge all night? We could even live with Webster or Bayless as the other starting swingman if you have Chris Paul creating wide open jumpers.

We'd have to line up another trade to get rid of Andre Miller, but really, is that so hard? He's a solid starting point guard on a pretty short contract. And Miller is starting to get up there in years--maybe he's ok coming off the bench. He wasn't happy playing behind Blake, but come on--it was Steve Freakin' Blake.

It sounds weird, but I'd actually rather see a trade that involves Roy as the main ingredient than Batum, if the guy coming back is Paul. I just think Batum fits in better with Paul's game.

The problem is, they don't want talent, they want CHEAP talent and cap relief. So what does Roy for Chris Paul get them? Expensive talent for expensive talent.

 

[Wheels]

Had nothing to do with OSU. Only quoted him because it was showing that Quick thinks the agent cause some harm between the relationship of KP and ownership.

ah gotcha.. sorry thats where I was confused.

 

[Cake]

Need to subtract Oden.

That's why it's painful.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just said that Monty said Paul was the main reason he went there. I don't see them getting rid of him.

The main, and in fact ONLY reason Monty went there is because THEY OFFERED HIM A JOB COACHING IN THE NBA!

There are 30 NBA coaching positions. Unless you're Phil Jackson or a CEO (or somebody offers you a better NBA coaching position - see below), if somebody offers you one, you say "yes."

OF COURSE he wants Paul to stay (and Paul will). But it's not the main reason he took the job.

(Notice that Chris God Almighty Paul wasn't enough to get Tom Thibodeau to take NO when Chi was available. And this from a guy who would finally be in a place where people would know how to spell and say his name.)

 

[barfo]

The problem is, they don't want talent, they want CHEAP talent and cap relief. So what does Roy for Chris Paul get them? Expensive talent for expensive talent.

Maybe they want cap relief, maybe they don't. They would be a better team with Collison & Roy rather than Paul & Collison, so if they did it, that's why they'd do it.

barfo

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That's why it's painful.

Painful Oden extraction.

Actually, that's why it won't happen.

 

[BrianFromWA]

The main, and in fact ONLY reason Monty went there is because THEY OFFERED HIM A JOB COACHING IN THE NBA!

There are 30 NBA coaching positions. Unless you're Phil Jackson or a CEO (or somebody offers you a better NBA coaching position - see below), if somebody offers you one, you say "yes."

OF COURSE he wants Paul to stay (and Paul will). But it's not the main reason he took the job.

(Notice that Chris God Almighty Paul wasn't enough to get Tom Thibodeau to take NO when Chi was available. And this from a guy who would finally be in a place where people would know how to spell and say his name.)

They'd ask where the "x" at the end of his name went.

 

[barfo]

They'd ask where the "x" at the end of his name went.

I guess he's not a x's and eau's coach.

barfo

 

[mook]

The problem is, they don't want talent, they want CHEAP talent and cap relief. So what does Roy for Chris Paul get them? Expensive talent for expensive talent.

True. Maybe add Przybilla for Posey and save the Hornets $7 mil? That saves them money and makes them a better team.

 

[maxiep]

Just said that Monty said Paul was the main reason he went there. I don't see them getting rid of him.

The main reason Monty went there was they offered him a head coaching position.

 

[axs88]

A swap straight across of Roy for Chris Paul makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Agree with this. Add Przybilla and fringe players, as well as Emeka/Posey etc., and this is a move (from the Hornets' stanpoint) that:
A) they can save some face with the fan base, getting back a 3-time all-star
B) they get better at a position of need (SG)
C) they shed some bad contracts

And we don't have to worry about the Roy/Paul dynamic and giving up 2 of Batum/LMA/Oden etc.

 

[B-Roy]

You can't possibly be serious, can you?

Do you undervalue our players (and the cap relief that Przybilla and Miller would provide) that much?

Oden is, despite his injuries, a tremendous prospect. Chris Paul is a wonderful player, but he's also had some significant injuries. Okafor is okay, but his contract is a millstone that New Orleans is desperate to remove from around their neck. This is a fair trade and I strongly believe that this is along the lines of what the discussion has centered around. Adding Batum greatly swings the deal in their favor. Just...greatly. We refused the #4 pick for Batum. We're not throwing him into a deal that already includes Greg Oden.

The deal as I outlined it is just about the only thing that makes sense. We give up great potential for a great known quantity and they get cap relief.

You're trading capspace and a great prospect for one of the best players of his generation. Really? You wouldn't add Batum?

 

[BGrantFan]

9) If Kevin would have fired Warren Legarrie after Tom Penn Comments, KP would prob not be on the hot seat




Papag . . . I mean bgrantfan . . . still want to insult me that I know absolutely nothing about agents. Not that I'm an expert on agent, but you go on some spewing rant about how I know nothing about what agents do and that KP's agent did nthing to harm the relationsship with the Blazers. I don't know how much damage the agent did if any, but I stick with my mild statement that whatever the agent did after the Pennn firing didn't help KP's situation.

Also funny you called me out for being overly sensitive when you are the one who couldn't handle your own drama on this board so decided to change your screen name and then try to deny at the begining that you are papag. What's up with that anyways?

What the fuck are you babbling about? The rest of your mindless rant aside, I'm not going to take Jason Quick's word on how Pritchard could have kept his job. Pritchard never once distanced himself from LaGarie's words, so I can only assume he agrees with those words and is just going to do his job until fired so he gets paid for next season.

 

[BGrantFan]

The main reason Monty went there was they offered him a head coaching position.

The very fact that New Orleans hired Monty Williams tells me they aren't serious about making a run at a title anytime soon. Nothing against Monty, but Chris Paul in his prime needs a better winning situation, and I hope his agent is putting pressure on ownership to either spend some money now to win or find a trade for him that saves NO some money. Paul is too good of a player to play in that market and have to carry them to an 8-seed from now on.

 

[THE HCP]

**edit**

Oops, wrong thread

Of your 6,200 posts, this is by far the best!

 

[STOMP]

I think Collison's surprisingly excellent play puts them in a strange position. They have millions tied up in a superstar who's blocking their best young player (who is also extremely inexpensive), they aren't drawing well even with that superstar and they have a ton of dead weight on their roster. And it's not like they have a hugely successful team that they'd be breaking up.

...to add on, I don't know if you've heard about it but there is this huge oil spill in the gulf of mexico thats going to impact the economy of that area. Their fanbase's disposable income was affected by Katrina a few years back and this catastrophe is looks to be at least as rough.

I'd speculate it's a lot more likely they tie Collison to one of their bad contracts (like Posey) and try to land a decent SF then move CP... he's their marketing spearhead.

STOMP

 

[oldmangrouch]

...to add on, I don't know if you've heard about it but there is this huge oil spill in the gulf of mexico thats going to impact the economy of that area. Their fanbase's disposable income was affected by Katrina a few years back and this catastrophe is looks to be at least as rough.

I'd speculate it's a lot more likely they tie Collison to one of their bad contracts (like Posey) and try to land a decent SF then move CP... he's their marketing spearhead.

STOMP

Agreed 100%.

You have to look at it from the POV of the prospective buyer. Giving up Collison to dump a bad contract may actually increase the value of the team. Giving up Paul for anything less than a S&T for LeBron decreases the value of the asset.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

...to add on, I don't know if you've heard about it but there is this huge oil spill in the gulf of mexico thats going to impact the economy of that area. Their fanbase's disposable income was affected by Katrina a few years back and this catastrophe is looks to be at least as rough.

I'd speculate it's a lot more likely they tie Collison to one of their bad contracts (like Posey) and try to land a decent SF then move CP... he's their marketing spearhead.

STOMP

And apparently the prospective buyer is in the oil business and has been hurt financially and may not be able to buy the team, leaving Shinn in a very bad position. (Sorry I read this today, but can't remember where.)

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Here's the quote, was from ESPN: "The Hornets' uncertain ownership situation could be playing a role in other clubs' pursuit of Paul as well.

When Hornets owner George Shinn reached an agreement in early May to sell his shares to minority partner Gary Chouest, it appeared that the franchise would be on stronger financial footing.

Now the sale of the team to Chouest is on hold. Team president Hugh Weber said recently that uncertainty caused by the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has contributed to delays in the transaction because Chouest and many of his business partners work in the oil industry. Chouest owns a company that designs, builds and operates supply vessels for companies operating offshore oil platforms in the Gulf and around the world.

 

[barfo]

Monty Williams would rather not contemplate making his NBA head-coaching debut without Chris Paul.

So with trade talks intensifying as they often do in the final days before the NBA Draft, Williams made it clear yesterday that he expects his new employers to turn down whatever offers they get for their biggest star.

"Chris was the main thing that excited me about this job," Williams said after a pre-draft workout yesterday at the Hornets' suburban training center. "So many people are begging for a point guard. You're talking about the best one in the game. I couldn't envision being here without Chris."

The Hornets have the 11th overall pick in Thursday night's draft and likely could move up if they decided to deal Paul, their three-time All-Star.

Meanwhile, those teams which plan to pursue LeBron James in free agency might enhance their chances of success by trading for Paul.

Paul and James are close friends who spend a lot of time together in the offseason and were teammates on the 2008 U.S. Olympics team that won gold in Beijing.

When James premiered his documentary, More Than A Game, in Akron, Ohio, last year, Paul was on hand to help promote it.

General Manager Jeff Bower of the Hornets said he has received many calls about possible trades but declined to specify which teams, or how many, inquired about Paul.

"I'm not going to comment on rumors, regardless of confirming them or denying them or saying how believable or unbelievable they are because it's something that's going to be there all throughout the free-agent process," Bower said. "We have a duty to listen and have dialogue with teams about all of our players ... and our job is to be aware of the interest in every player in this league, not only other (teams') players, but our own."

The Hornets' uncertain ownership situation could be playing a role in other clubs' pursuit of Paul as well. When Hornets owner George Shinn reached an agreement in early May to sell his shares to minority partner Gary Chouest, it appeared that the franchise would be on stronger financial footing.

Now the sale of the team to Chouest is on hold. Team president Hugh Weber said recently that uncertainty caused by the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has contributed to delays in the transaction because Chouest and many of his business partners work in the oil industry. Chouest owns a company that designs, builds and operates supply vessels for companies operating offshore oil platforms in the Gulf and around the world.

With the Hornets' ownership situation in flux, other clubs are reaching out to test Shinn's interest in being relieved of his financial obligation to Paul, who is entering the second year of a four-year contract worth about $68 million.

Yet, if the Hornets traded Paul, they would risk alienating not just their new coach but also their fans. Paul is their most popular player for both his showmanship on the court and for the way he has embraced his community service role during New Orleans' recovery from Hurricane Katrina.

While Bower stopped short of guaranteeing that Paul would be in a Hornets uniform when the 2010-11 season opened, he added, "I can guarantee that we are very much aware of Chris' abilities, skills, talents and what he provides to our community and what he provides to our basketball team -- and we don't take that lightly."

I wonder if perhaps Shinn is using the trade talks to put pressure on Chouest to close the deal - basically "if you don't buy it I'm going to have to trade Chris Paul".

barfo

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Or perhaps Chouest said I can't afford to keep Paul and Okafor; but you (Shinn) gotta do the dirty work so I won't get the blame.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Or perhaps Chouest said I can't afford to keep Paul and Okafor; but you (Shinn) gotta do the dirty work so I won't get the blame.

This makes no sense..... why buy the team just to trade away a top 5 nba player...