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<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, you and I know what I meant by "misleading" (which you later address by admitting it will take 10-20 years for the NBA to lose some players to Euroclubs). This paragraph was superfluous.</div>
I gave you the explaination of how the system works at a European club athletics department using Real Madrid as the example. There is nothing unnecessary what-so-ever. There was nothing midleading about the original statement either. You wrote again and I quote:
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">I doubt that. As much as the perimeter rules are better in FIBA, the NBA is ****ing rich and <u>that's all that counts</u>.</div>
Being rich, that's all that counts, from your words. Your response to my post that Real Madrid BC (short for basketball club) were richer then the entire league:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Seems kind of overzealous to say don't you think? You're also including their football earnings.</div>
Ah, the big "upside" to being a single athletics club instead of a single sport league focused team. Profits are earned entirely different from one to the other. One (league) makes money from a combined source through several teams so that one doesn't fail in merchandising while the other earns 100% of their profits.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">I was speaking purely on a Baloncesto level.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting M Two One:</div><div class="quote_post">Real Madrid <u>BC</u> alone have more money then the entire NBA does.</div>
Also, you can't count a multi-sport athletics club by one source, you combine all revenues. Rich is rich no matter where the money comes from.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, I very arrogantly say that. I can't wait to give Spain the "ol' in-out" (I Love A Clockwork Orange) in some future Olympic/World Championship match-up when the USA team actually works on chemistry and doesn't send second tier players into slaughter.</div>
Well again, your opinion when you write that. Respected of course and I'm also sure you would do the same with another person's opinion. BTW, yes that is a great film. Kubrick is the master.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I meant that at best, they'll somewhat compete in the future (by stealing some role players). It is a very ambiguous term I made, I don't see why you jumped to conclusions.</div>
Make yourself clear when you make statements or else people are not going to understand you correctly. When you write this:
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Now <u>some international leagues</u> might be able to somewhat compete with the NBA in the future, <u>but the NBA will be the most dominant league</u> for decades at least.</div>
:That doesn't clearly state what you meant then. The way you wrote your response, it appears as though you meant that some domestic leagues might be able to somewhat compete with the NBA, when I was only originally refering to the Euroleague - a continental club competition.
The domestic leagues could never compete with the NBA alone unless the NBA had a financial crises or completely folded. Not going to happen unless one of the NBA's major problems persists and are broken to the public at a more detailed level. The NBA is still in a hot spot and the referee scandal isn't nearly the worst of their continuous issues.
Just like with football over in Europe people cannot expect small clubs to reach the same level of power to the big boys where politicians and for some part even criminals are involved. In basketball it is becoming the same, small clubs cannot compete financially with the likes of Real Madrid or especially CSKA Moscow, who have funds coming from dozens of non-sporting sources including their own government. If they want something, they'll get it.
A good example would be J.R. Holden. This American player exceeded an amount of Americans allowed on the Russian Super League rosters as per order for development of youth for future International competition. Instead of waiving him or another player they simply asked Putin to grant him dual citizenship. Wish granted. Think of how it will be with NBA team players once the sport reaches a certain point of popularity in Europe. It will be a fight for contracts, but money usually always wins.
The thing is here, bro, is that I've seen how these two systems work first hand. I've been watching and researching how the European system grows rapidly and how the North American one is going up and down over more then a decade now. One funny example of revenue collapses has been loyalty. Americans don't usually have allegiances to teams, unlike Europeans who often worship their club as if the sport were a war. A sustained revenue that continuously grows rapidly is by far and away better then one that goes up and down within a league controlled financial system. One of many examples on money and power.
Another fun thing to think of is how one day in 10 to 20 years European teams will be willing to pay millions for future superstar players who are under 18, while the NBA will force the greedy kids to go to college. Who would win that in the end for the most part?
So that raises a question, what to do as a youth?
Go to college and try your luck in the Draft or have a guaranteed contract worth millions in a more competitive atmosphere that is growing like mad?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see the NBA fail, I love my Bulls more then anything else. But if the NBA continue to hurt their league, there's nothing we can do about it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">The NBA will lose some role players, yes, but the core is all I really care about to be honest. The reason I watch basketball is to see the stars shine. Now of course I would like the refs to keep their whistles in their pockets more, but aside from that I have no other egregious problem with the league rules-wise.</div>
In 10 to 20 years when the sport becomes a monster in Europe and the NBA still has their continuous issues, the big clubs won't just be grabbing away role players from NBA teams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Hundreds of millions? I'm sure by the time Madrid reaches that level, the NBA will go through some contract inflation themselves. </div>
There are no rules about spending in Euroleague. They can spend their hearts away. Given the money that the players will bring those rich clubs based on merchandise sales alone would allow them to spend 50 to 200 million dollars without much of a care. Europeans are also much more into sports merchandise then people from the Americas are. Madrid already has reached that level, but aren't willing to spend that type of money on basketball players just yet. That goes for any of the big European clubs. Basketball is still gaining ground and you wouldn't believe how fast.
Also, the NBA as a whole could never reach a level of financial income to the combined sources of the biggest Euroleague basketball clubs. That will never happen, ever.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Oh I know what you mean. Being born in South America I know how passionate fans can be. I don't watch games for the atmosphere though, I just want to see Kobe give people facials (or drop 100 efficiently).</div>
Sure, why not?
I gave you the explaination of how the system works at a European club athletics department using Real Madrid as the example. There is nothing unnecessary what-so-ever. There was nothing midleading about the original statement either. You wrote again and I quote:
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">I doubt that. As much as the perimeter rules are better in FIBA, the NBA is ****ing rich and <u>that's all that counts</u>.</div>
Being rich, that's all that counts, from your words. Your response to my post that Real Madrid BC (short for basketball club) were richer then the entire league:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Seems kind of overzealous to say don't you think? You're also including their football earnings.</div>
Ah, the big "upside" to being a single athletics club instead of a single sport league focused team. Profits are earned entirely different from one to the other. One (league) makes money from a combined source through several teams so that one doesn't fail in merchandising while the other earns 100% of their profits.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">I was speaking purely on a Baloncesto level.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting M Two One:</div><div class="quote_post">Real Madrid <u>BC</u> alone have more money then the entire NBA does.</div>
Also, you can't count a multi-sport athletics club by one source, you combine all revenues. Rich is rich no matter where the money comes from.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, I very arrogantly say that. I can't wait to give Spain the "ol' in-out" (I Love A Clockwork Orange) in some future Olympic/World Championship match-up when the USA team actually works on chemistry and doesn't send second tier players into slaughter.</div>
Well again, your opinion when you write that. Respected of course and I'm also sure you would do the same with another person's opinion. BTW, yes that is a great film. Kubrick is the master.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I meant that at best, they'll somewhat compete in the future (by stealing some role players). It is a very ambiguous term I made, I don't see why you jumped to conclusions.</div>
Make yourself clear when you make statements or else people are not going to understand you correctly. When you write this:
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Now <u>some international leagues</u> might be able to somewhat compete with the NBA in the future, <u>but the NBA will be the most dominant league</u> for decades at least.</div>
:That doesn't clearly state what you meant then. The way you wrote your response, it appears as though you meant that some domestic leagues might be able to somewhat compete with the NBA, when I was only originally refering to the Euroleague - a continental club competition.
The domestic leagues could never compete with the NBA alone unless the NBA had a financial crises or completely folded. Not going to happen unless one of the NBA's major problems persists and are broken to the public at a more detailed level. The NBA is still in a hot spot and the referee scandal isn't nearly the worst of their continuous issues.
Just like with football over in Europe people cannot expect small clubs to reach the same level of power to the big boys where politicians and for some part even criminals are involved. In basketball it is becoming the same, small clubs cannot compete financially with the likes of Real Madrid or especially CSKA Moscow, who have funds coming from dozens of non-sporting sources including their own government. If they want something, they'll get it.
A good example would be J.R. Holden. This American player exceeded an amount of Americans allowed on the Russian Super League rosters as per order for development of youth for future International competition. Instead of waiving him or another player they simply asked Putin to grant him dual citizenship. Wish granted. Think of how it will be with NBA team players once the sport reaches a certain point of popularity in Europe. It will be a fight for contracts, but money usually always wins.
The thing is here, bro, is that I've seen how these two systems work first hand. I've been watching and researching how the European system grows rapidly and how the North American one is going up and down over more then a decade now. One funny example of revenue collapses has been loyalty. Americans don't usually have allegiances to teams, unlike Europeans who often worship their club as if the sport were a war. A sustained revenue that continuously grows rapidly is by far and away better then one that goes up and down within a league controlled financial system. One of many examples on money and power.
Another fun thing to think of is how one day in 10 to 20 years European teams will be willing to pay millions for future superstar players who are under 18, while the NBA will force the greedy kids to go to college. Who would win that in the end for the most part?
So that raises a question, what to do as a youth?
Go to college and try your luck in the Draft or have a guaranteed contract worth millions in a more competitive atmosphere that is growing like mad?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see the NBA fail, I love my Bulls more then anything else. But if the NBA continue to hurt their league, there's nothing we can do about it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">The NBA will lose some role players, yes, but the core is all I really care about to be honest. The reason I watch basketball is to see the stars shine. Now of course I would like the refs to keep their whistles in their pockets more, but aside from that I have no other egregious problem with the league rules-wise.</div>
In 10 to 20 years when the sport becomes a monster in Europe and the NBA still has their continuous issues, the big clubs won't just be grabbing away role players from NBA teams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Hundreds of millions? I'm sure by the time Madrid reaches that level, the NBA will go through some contract inflation themselves. </div>
There are no rules about spending in Euroleague. They can spend their hearts away. Given the money that the players will bring those rich clubs based on merchandise sales alone would allow them to spend 50 to 200 million dollars without much of a care. Europeans are also much more into sports merchandise then people from the Americas are. Madrid already has reached that level, but aren't willing to spend that type of money on basketball players just yet. That goes for any of the big European clubs. Basketball is still gaining ground and you wouldn't believe how fast.
Also, the NBA as a whole could never reach a level of financial income to the combined sources of the biggest Euroleague basketball clubs. That will never happen, ever.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Oh I know what you mean. Being born in South America I know how passionate fans can be. I don't watch games for the atmosphere though, I just want to see Kobe give people facials (or drop 100 efficiently).</div>
Sure, why not?
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<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I gave you the explaination of how the system works at a European club athletics department using Real Madrid as the example. There is nothing unnecessary what-so-ever. There was nothing midleading about the original statement either. You wrote again and I quote:
Being rich, that's all that counts, from your words. Your response to my post that Real Madrid BC (short for basketball club) were richer then the entire league:
Ah, the big "upside" to being a single athletics club instead of a single sport league focused team. Profits are earned entirely different from one to the other. One (league) makes money from a combined source through several teams so that one doesn't fail in merchandising while the other earns 100% of their profits.
Also, you can't count a multi-sport athletics club by one source, you combine all revenues. Rich is rich no matter where the money comes from.</div>
Well I never doubted that Real Madrid was more rich. You quoted me yet I think you missed the point. Purely speaking on the amount of money Euro leagues spend on Baloncesto contracts, the NBA still owns them and probably will for a long time (possibly until the end of time or until Americans find a better sport).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
Well again, your opinion. Respected of course and I'm also sure you would do the same with another person's opinion. BTW, yes that is a great film. Kubrick is the master.</div>
Oh no, I see what you're trying to get at. I just think you're getting carried away, whereas I feel I have a body of work/success to fall on in my views of the NBA and USA Olympic Basketball. We created basketball and control our future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Make yourself clear when you make statements or else people are not going to understand you correctly. When you write this:
:That doesn't clearly state what you meant then. The way you wrote your response, it appears as though you meant that some domestic leagues might be able to somewhat compete with the NBA, when I was only originally refering to the Euroleague - a continental club competition.</div>
Well you have to understand, I wasn't really expecting a long discussion. I threw out a flourish and "that was the end of that" I thought at the time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The domestic leagues could never compete with the NBA alone unless the NBA had a financial crises or completely folded. Not going to happen unless one of the NBA's major problems persists and are broken to the public at a more detailed level. The NBA is still in a hot spot and the referee scandal isn't nearly the worst of their continuous issues.
Just like with football over in Europe people cannot expect small clubs to reach the same level of power to the big boys where politicians and for some part even criminals are involved. In basketball it is becoming the same, small clubs cannot compete financially with the likes of Real Madrid or especially CSKA Moscow, who have funds coming from dozens of non-sporting sources including their own government. If they want something, they'll get it.</div>
K, I have now addressed all of this thankfully.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
A good example would be J.R. Holden. This American player exceeded an amount of Americans allowed on the Russian Super League rosters as per order for development of youth for future International competition. Instead of waiving him or another player they simply asked Putin to grant him dual citizenship. Wish granted. Think of how it will be with NBA team players once the sport reaches a certain point of popularity in Europe. It will be a fight for contracts, but money usually always wins.
The thing is here, bro, is that I've seen how these two systems work first hand. I've been watching and researching how the European system grows rapidly and how the North American one is going up and down over more then a decade now. One funny example of revenue collapses has been loyalty. Americans don't usually have allegiances to teams, unlike Europeans who often worship their club as if the sport were a war. A sustained revenue that continuously grows rapidly is by far and away better then one that goes up and down within a league controlled financial system.
In 10 to 20 years when the sport becomes a monster in Europe and the NBA still has their continuous issues, the big clubs won't just be grabbing away role players from NBA teams.
</div>
Well you're coming to a lot of ambitious conclusions. First, would be that Europe will continue this huge upward incline of revenue. The money stream could level out or the NBA could remove the cap if necessary. Why presume that the NBA will continue to get tolchocked in the gulliver?
How does the NBA market their game? With superstars, and that's all they really care about. It is part of the reason why the refs are calling touch fouls these days. The major stars will always want to be inclined to stay in America (because they're American usually
), and the NBA probably won't stand idle when X BC starts offering Kobe Jr/III/IV hardcore cash 20 or 30 years from now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
There are no rules about spending in Euroleague. They can spend their hearts away. Given the money that the players will bring those rich clubs based on merchandise sales alone would allow them to spend 50 to 200 million dollars without much of a care. Europeans are also much more into sports merchandise then people from the Americas are. Madrid already has reached that level, but aren't willing to spend that type of money on basketball players just yet. That goes for any of the big European clubs. Basketball is still gaining ground and you wouldn't believe how fast.</div>
Let's see them reach this level. Inflation in NBA contracts continue to grow as well, I am not worried about anything as of yet.
Speaking of which, the rich NBA markets in the USA could compete very favorably in a capless market.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
Also, the NBA as a whole could never reach a level of financial income to the combined sources of the biggest Euroleague basketball clubs. That will never happen, ever.
</div>
Again, combined sources. This isn't a discussion about who can write the biggest check, but rather who will have the dominant Basketball league.
The only thing I envy about the FIBA/Euroleagues/whatever are the rules.
Being rich, that's all that counts, from your words. Your response to my post that Real Madrid BC (short for basketball club) were richer then the entire league:
Ah, the big "upside" to being a single athletics club instead of a single sport league focused team. Profits are earned entirely different from one to the other. One (league) makes money from a combined source through several teams so that one doesn't fail in merchandising while the other earns 100% of their profits.
Also, you can't count a multi-sport athletics club by one source, you combine all revenues. Rich is rich no matter where the money comes from.</div>
Well I never doubted that Real Madrid was more rich. You quoted me yet I think you missed the point. Purely speaking on the amount of money Euro leagues spend on Baloncesto contracts, the NBA still owns them and probably will for a long time (possibly until the end of time or until Americans find a better sport).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
Well again, your opinion. Respected of course and I'm also sure you would do the same with another person's opinion. BTW, yes that is a great film. Kubrick is the master.</div>
Oh no, I see what you're trying to get at. I just think you're getting carried away, whereas I feel I have a body of work/success to fall on in my views of the NBA and USA Olympic Basketball. We created basketball and control our future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Make yourself clear when you make statements or else people are not going to understand you correctly. When you write this:
:That doesn't clearly state what you meant then. The way you wrote your response, it appears as though you meant that some domestic leagues might be able to somewhat compete with the NBA, when I was only originally refering to the Euroleague - a continental club competition.</div>
Well you have to understand, I wasn't really expecting a long discussion. I threw out a flourish and "that was the end of that" I thought at the time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The domestic leagues could never compete with the NBA alone unless the NBA had a financial crises or completely folded. Not going to happen unless one of the NBA's major problems persists and are broken to the public at a more detailed level. The NBA is still in a hot spot and the referee scandal isn't nearly the worst of their continuous issues.
Just like with football over in Europe people cannot expect small clubs to reach the same level of power to the big boys where politicians and for some part even criminals are involved. In basketball it is becoming the same, small clubs cannot compete financially with the likes of Real Madrid or especially CSKA Moscow, who have funds coming from dozens of non-sporting sources including their own government. If they want something, they'll get it.</div>
K, I have now addressed all of this thankfully.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
A good example would be J.R. Holden. This American player exceeded an amount of Americans allowed on the Russian Super League rosters as per order for development of youth for future International competition. Instead of waiving him or another player they simply asked Putin to grant him dual citizenship. Wish granted. Think of how it will be with NBA team players once the sport reaches a certain point of popularity in Europe. It will be a fight for contracts, but money usually always wins.
The thing is here, bro, is that I've seen how these two systems work first hand. I've been watching and researching how the European system grows rapidly and how the North American one is going up and down over more then a decade now. One funny example of revenue collapses has been loyalty. Americans don't usually have allegiances to teams, unlike Europeans who often worship their club as if the sport were a war. A sustained revenue that continuously grows rapidly is by far and away better then one that goes up and down within a league controlled financial system.
In 10 to 20 years when the sport becomes a monster in Europe and the NBA still has their continuous issues, the big clubs won't just be grabbing away role players from NBA teams.
</div>
Well you're coming to a lot of ambitious conclusions. First, would be that Europe will continue this huge upward incline of revenue. The money stream could level out or the NBA could remove the cap if necessary. Why presume that the NBA will continue to get tolchocked in the gulliver?
How does the NBA market their game? With superstars, and that's all they really care about. It is part of the reason why the refs are calling touch fouls these days. The major stars will always want to be inclined to stay in America (because they're American usually
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
There are no rules about spending in Euroleague. They can spend their hearts away. Given the money that the players will bring those rich clubs based on merchandise sales alone would allow them to spend 50 to 200 million dollars without much of a care. Europeans are also much more into sports merchandise then people from the Americas are. Madrid already has reached that level, but aren't willing to spend that type of money on basketball players just yet. That goes for any of the big European clubs. Basketball is still gaining ground and you wouldn't believe how fast.</div>
Let's see them reach this level. Inflation in NBA contracts continue to grow as well, I am not worried about anything as of yet.
Speaking of which, the rich NBA markets in the USA could compete very favorably in a capless market.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
Also, the NBA as a whole could never reach a level of financial income to the combined sources of the biggest Euroleague basketball clubs. That will never happen, ever.
</div>
Again, combined sources. This isn't a discussion about who can write the biggest check, but rather who will have the dominant Basketball league.
The only thing I envy about the FIBA/Euroleagues/whatever are the rules.
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<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well I never doubted that Real Madrid was more rich. You quoted me yet I think you missed the point. Purely speaking on the amount of money Euro leagues spend on Baloncesto contracts, the NBA still owns them and probably will for a long time (possibly until the end of time or until Americans find a better sport).</div>
I don't enjoy repeating myself, but I will try this once again with additional help. In 10 to 20 years Euroleague clubs will start spending tons of money on basketball players. Even if the NBA were to get the support to lift the cap, the big Euro clubs still have more money to dish out by ten fold. There is absolutely no comparison.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Oh no, I see what you're trying to get at. I just think you're getting carried away, whereas I feel I have a body of work/success to fall on in my views of the NBA and USA Olympic Basketball. We created basketball and control our future.</div>
Oh, yeah, I'm getting carried away here watching Fox Soccer Channel while browsing for soccer jerseys. Also, "We?" Your entire paragraph here appears as though I'm not an American. Also, I don't know what in the World you're ranting about. If you don't know anything about Euro basketball and their revenues compared others then there is no hope in debating is there? Solution found!
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well you have to understand, I wasn't really expecting a long discussion. I threw out a flourish and "that was the end of that" I thought at the time.</div>
I wasn't either, hence why I made a simple response using Real Madrid as a financial example. Going into details would require two hours worth of writing if not more and what would be the point? However, I figured I'd help you understand the Euro game more and explain differences by also providing information and links. You took this differently it appears from the start.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well you're coming to a lot of ambitious conclusions. First, would be that Europe will continue this huge upward incline of revenue. The money stream could level out or the NBA could remove the cap if necessary. Why presume that the NBA will continue to get tolchocked in the gulliver?</div>
Read my first paragraph regarding the NBA cap. Ambitious conclusions? Hmm, it would appear that financial facts are ambitious conclusions I suppose. Have you ever read any financial reports on European basketball and other sport revenues or income? If not, please don't respond.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How does the NBA market their game? With superstars, and that's all they really care about. It is part of the reason why the refs are calling touch fouls these days. The major stars will always want to be inclined to stay in America (because they're American usually
), and the NBA probably won't stand idle when X BC starts offering Kobe Jr/III/IV hardcore cash 20 or 30 years from now.</div>
You suspect everyone is inclined to remain where they came from as if it were a law or some sickness, but you don't speak on behalf of the American basketball player population, do you? Fact is that most professional athletes will go where the money and competition is better no matter what changes. Do you have any idea how many superstar sports athletes are treated in Europe? Imagine basketball in 10 to 20 years, scary.
Also, I'd like to see the NBA try to compete for the contract rights when everything heats up. They'll be run into the ground unless they can make close to one billion extra every season for 10 years from this point. Let's see them reach this level.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You also have to consider that there are simply more people in the United States and thus more potential Basketball fans. Inflation in NBA contracts continue to grow as well, I am not worried about anything as of yet.</div>
Dude, I laughed so hard at the bolded part.
USA population = roughly 302,340,000 people
European countries not counting the massive Asian ones involved in Euroleague = 728,000,000 people
Oh yes, more potential in the United States. You don't have to worry, I'm not either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Again, combined sources. This isn't a discussion about who can write the biggest check, but rather who will have the dominant Basketball league.</div>
Combined sources means a few powerful teams in Euroleague, not including the entire league compared to the NBA, which is an entire league of team revenues.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn my school makes my waste at least $1000 in books a year.</div>
That's some BS man. I love the US for some things, but then for others total BS. Medical and education are probably the worst here.
I don't enjoy repeating myself, but I will try this once again with additional help. In 10 to 20 years Euroleague clubs will start spending tons of money on basketball players. Even if the NBA were to get the support to lift the cap, the big Euro clubs still have more money to dish out by ten fold. There is absolutely no comparison.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Oh no, I see what you're trying to get at. I just think you're getting carried away, whereas I feel I have a body of work/success to fall on in my views of the NBA and USA Olympic Basketball. We created basketball and control our future.</div>
Oh, yeah, I'm getting carried away here watching Fox Soccer Channel while browsing for soccer jerseys. Also, "We?" Your entire paragraph here appears as though I'm not an American. Also, I don't know what in the World you're ranting about. If you don't know anything about Euro basketball and their revenues compared others then there is no hope in debating is there? Solution found!
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well you have to understand, I wasn't really expecting a long discussion. I threw out a flourish and "that was the end of that" I thought at the time.</div>
I wasn't either, hence why I made a simple response using Real Madrid as a financial example. Going into details would require two hours worth of writing if not more and what would be the point? However, I figured I'd help you understand the Euro game more and explain differences by also providing information and links. You took this differently it appears from the start.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well you're coming to a lot of ambitious conclusions. First, would be that Europe will continue this huge upward incline of revenue. The money stream could level out or the NBA could remove the cap if necessary. Why presume that the NBA will continue to get tolchocked in the gulliver?</div>
Read my first paragraph regarding the NBA cap. Ambitious conclusions? Hmm, it would appear that financial facts are ambitious conclusions I suppose. Have you ever read any financial reports on European basketball and other sport revenues or income? If not, please don't respond.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How does the NBA market their game? With superstars, and that's all they really care about. It is part of the reason why the refs are calling touch fouls these days. The major stars will always want to be inclined to stay in America (because they're American usually
You suspect everyone is inclined to remain where they came from as if it were a law or some sickness, but you don't speak on behalf of the American basketball player population, do you? Fact is that most professional athletes will go where the money and competition is better no matter what changes. Do you have any idea how many superstar sports athletes are treated in Europe? Imagine basketball in 10 to 20 years, scary.
Also, I'd like to see the NBA try to compete for the contract rights when everything heats up. They'll be run into the ground unless they can make close to one billion extra every season for 10 years from this point. Let's see them reach this level.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You also have to consider that there are simply more people in the United States and thus more potential Basketball fans. Inflation in NBA contracts continue to grow as well, I am not worried about anything as of yet.</div>
Dude, I laughed so hard at the bolded part.
USA population = roughly 302,340,000 people
European countries not counting the massive Asian ones involved in Euroleague = 728,000,000 people
Oh yes, more potential in the United States. You don't have to worry, I'm not either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Again, combined sources. This isn't a discussion about who can write the biggest check, but rather who will have the dominant Basketball league.</div>
Combined sources means a few powerful teams in Euroleague, not including the entire league compared to the NBA, which is an entire league of team revenues.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Damn my school makes my waste at least $1000 in books a year.</div>
That's some BS man. I love the US for some things, but then for others total BS. Medical and education are probably the worst here.
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<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone here have a good excuse I should use to the counselor for why I should should switch from 5th period P.E. to 6th?</div>
What is the point to begin with though?
What is the point to begin with though?
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<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What is the point to begin with though?</div>
Most of my friends are in 6th period P.E. plus it's the last class of the day. I need an excuse that the school would buy.
Most of my friends are in 6th period P.E. plus it's the last class of the day. I need an excuse that the school would buy.
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<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Most of my friends are in 6th period P.E. plus it's the last class of the day. I need an excuse that the school would buy.
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Ah ok, maybe just tell them that you would perform better during other classes if P.E. were the last class of the day. I suppose you could alert them that it distracts you because it is in between two important classes. I donno what classes you have in between so that may not work. lol
Ah ok, maybe just tell them that you would perform better during other classes if P.E. were the last class of the day. I suppose you could alert them that it distracts you because it is in between two important classes. I donno what classes you have in between so that may not work. lol
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<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ah ok, maybe just tell them that you would perform better during other classes if P.E. were the last class of the day. I suppose you could alert them that it distracts you because it is in between two important classes. I donno what classes you have in between so that may not work. lol</div>
Since 5th period is right after lunch, what do you think they will say if I tell them I need like 40 minutes to digest before I play sports or I'll get sick?
Since 5th period is right after lunch, what do you think they will say if I tell them I need like 40 minutes to digest before I play sports or I'll get sick?
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<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Since 5th period is right after lunch, what do you think they will say if I tell them I need like 40 minutes to digest before I play sports or I'll get sick?
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lol! 40 minutes is an oddball number for such a thing. Just alert them that you believe you would perform better all around if it were your last period. Refering to your excuse, you could just say that you often feel sick during P.E. after eating lunch.
Either that or you could just plainly tell them that you would really just prefer to have P.E. as your last period and that you'd enjoy yourself more. School is supposed to be enjoyed for the most part, not feel like a prison.
Damn, I'm tired and I need to take a crap. Oops, damn I just broke my own rule in RTT.
lol! 40 minutes is an oddball number for such a thing. Just alert them that you believe you would perform better all around if it were your last period. Refering to your excuse, you could just say that you often feel sick during P.E. after eating lunch.
Either that or you could just plainly tell them that you would really just prefer to have P.E. as your last period and that you'd enjoy yourself more. School is supposed to be enjoyed for the most part, not feel like a prison.
Damn, I'm tired and I need to take a crap. Oops, damn I just broke my own rule in RTT.
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<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't enjoy repeating myself, but I will try this once again with additional help. In 10 to 20 years Euroleague clubs will start spending tons of money on basketball players. Even if the NBA were to get the support to lift the cap, the big Euro clubs still have more money to dish out by ten fold. There is absolutely no comparison.</div>
Everyone hates repeating themselves, as do I (you're not special). You're looking 10/20 years into the future, why all the conviction? The NBA is already established.
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Oh, yeah, I'm getting carried away here watching Fox Soccer Channel while browsing for soccer jerseys. Also, "We?" Your entire paragraph here appears as though I'm not an American. Also, I don't know what in the World you're ranting about. If you don't know anything about Euro basketball and their revenues compared others then there is no hope in debating is there? Solution found!</div>
What are you so offended about? I said "We", I could have said something else, I could have said a lot of other dirty words instead. So what? I don't care if you are or aren't American. I'm not American.
Show me this revenue stream that dwarfs the NBA in what they can spend on basketball. That's right you can't.
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I wasn't either, hence why I made a simple response using Real Madrid as a financial example. Going into details would require two hours worth of writing if not more and what would be the point? However, I figured I'd help you understand the Euro game more and explain differences by also providing information and links. You took this differently it appears from the start.</div>
Stop responding then. I however, enjoy debating.
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Read my first paragraph regarding the NBA cap. Ambitious conclusions? Hmm, it would appear that financial facts are ambitious conclusions I suppose. Have you ever read any financial reports on European basketball and other sport revenues or income? If not, please don't respond.</div>
And tell me, what wasn't overzealous about your conclusions?
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You suspect everyone is inclined to remain where they came from as if it were a law or some sickness, but you don't speak on behalf of the American basketball player population, do you? Fact is that most professional athletes will go where the money and competition is better no matter what changes. Do you have any idea how many superstar sports athletes are treated in Europe? Imagine basketball in 10 to 20 years, scary.</div>
The money and competition won't be in the NBA? How do you know this? You don't know anything aside from the Euro-league being a possible future competitor for the NBA.
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Also, I'd like to see the NBA try to compete for the contract rights when everything heats up. They'll be run into the ground unless they can make close to one billion extra every season from here until 10 years from this point. Let's see them reach this level.
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As long as they remove the cap, New york, LA and such can do just fine.
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Dude, I laughed so hard at the bolded part.
USA population = roughly 302,340,000 people
European countries not counting the massive Asian ones involved in Euroleague = 728,000,000 people
Oh yes, more potential in the United States. You don't have to worry, I'm not either.
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Do you think you're sly or something? Look at my previous post about my school books, I addressed this typo/error immediately.
I suppose I'm also dyslexic because I've made countless mistakes in spelling throughout my tenure here, eh? You're not cute.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 11:06p.m.:</div><div class="quote_post">
Btw, I edited my previous post and corrected an error in population I made (heh).
Damn my school makes my waste at least $1000 in books a year.</div>
Take that on the chin man.
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Combined sources means a few powerful teams in Euroleague, not including the entire league compared to the NBA, which is an entire league of team revenues.
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You're referring to their combined revenue in basketball (not football I assume) in the future dwarfing what the NBA can do correct? In the event that you turn out to be prophetic, these other clubs will still have to make some serious cash to take away the stars of the NBA. Otherwise they will still mostly focus on second/third tier players as well.
Everyone hates repeating themselves, as do I (you're not special). You're looking 10/20 years into the future, why all the conviction? The NBA is already established.
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Oh, yeah, I'm getting carried away here watching Fox Soccer Channel while browsing for soccer jerseys. Also, "We?" Your entire paragraph here appears as though I'm not an American. Also, I don't know what in the World you're ranting about. If you don't know anything about Euro basketball and their revenues compared others then there is no hope in debating is there? Solution found!</div>
What are you so offended about? I said "We", I could have said something else, I could have said a lot of other dirty words instead. So what? I don't care if you are or aren't American. I'm not American.
Show me this revenue stream that dwarfs the NBA in what they can spend on basketball. That's right you can't.
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I wasn't either, hence why I made a simple response using Real Madrid as a financial example. Going into details would require two hours worth of writing if not more and what would be the point? However, I figured I'd help you understand the Euro game more and explain differences by also providing information and links. You took this differently it appears from the start.</div>
Stop responding then. I however, enjoy debating.
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Read my first paragraph regarding the NBA cap. Ambitious conclusions? Hmm, it would appear that financial facts are ambitious conclusions I suppose. Have you ever read any financial reports on European basketball and other sport revenues or income? If not, please don't respond.</div>
And tell me, what wasn't overzealous about your conclusions?
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You suspect everyone is inclined to remain where they came from as if it were a law or some sickness, but you don't speak on behalf of the American basketball player population, do you? Fact is that most professional athletes will go where the money and competition is better no matter what changes. Do you have any idea how many superstar sports athletes are treated in Europe? Imagine basketball in 10 to 20 years, scary.</div>
The money and competition won't be in the NBA? How do you know this? You don't know anything aside from the Euro-league being a possible future competitor for the NBA.
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Also, I'd like to see the NBA try to compete for the contract rights when everything heats up. They'll be run into the ground unless they can make close to one billion extra every season from here until 10 years from this point. Let's see them reach this level.
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As long as they remove the cap, New york, LA and such can do just fine.
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Dude, I laughed so hard at the bolded part.
USA population = roughly 302,340,000 people
European countries not counting the massive Asian ones involved in Euroleague = 728,000,000 people
Oh yes, more potential in the United States. You don't have to worry, I'm not either.
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Do you think you're sly or something? Look at my previous post about my school books, I addressed this typo/error immediately.
I suppose I'm also dyslexic because I've made countless mistakes in spelling throughout my tenure here, eh? You're not cute.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 11:06p.m.:</div><div class="quote_post">
Btw, I edited my previous post and corrected an error in population I made (heh).
Damn my school makes my waste at least $1000 in books a year.</div>
Take that on the chin man.
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Combined sources means a few powerful teams in Euroleague, not including the entire league compared to the NBA, which is an entire league of team revenues.
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You're referring to their combined revenue in basketball (not football I assume) in the future dwarfing what the NBA can do correct? In the event that you turn out to be prophetic, these other clubs will still have to make some serious cash to take away the stars of the NBA. Otherwise they will still mostly focus on second/third tier players as well.
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Btw dear friend, I was actually going to refer to the US's GDP being about fourth in the world and helping them deal with the difference in population. If you're wondering why i even brought up population in the first place.
Huevon thinks this was another well spent day making friends.
Huevon thinks this was another well spent day making friends.
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Wow, I just watched Scarface again. Honestly, if it wasn't grossly overrated by rappers and wannabe gangsters, it would get my respect more. It's a pretty good movie and although there's a lot of unintentional comedy in it, Al Pacino's acting is quite commendable.
I remember watching the Scarface DVD with all the commentating from the "hiphop community" and Sean Paul comes on, and it didn't even seem like he understood anything from the movie because all he said was "I like de part where de man tried to kill the other guy wid de chainsaw"
. It's **** like that that makes me want to not like the movie, but everytime I watch it, I love it.
I remember watching the Scarface DVD with all the commentating from the "hiphop community" and Sean Paul comes on, and it didn't even seem like he understood anything from the movie because all he said was "I like de part where de man tried to kill the other guy wid de chainsaw"
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wow
Yeah a little to far now, guys. Let's take it to PM. Had to do this, too much name alling.
Yeah a little to far now, guys. Let's take it to PM. Had to do this, too much name alling.
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I came back to leave this message for Marbire as I'm sure he may be interested as well. I just found on the FSC report that Boca Juniors and Independiente are playing tomorrow. The match will air at 3pm Eastern Time. I know I'll be watching that one.
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<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Faces are overrated.</div>
Couldn't disagree more. Tits are fun to play with but not necessary. Ass is nice of course. Being fit in general is good. But you have to look at her alot, and that's why face is important. Body means nothing to me unless she's huge as long as shes cute. If she's cute i can just look at her while im pounding her which makes them liek you more. It's bulletproof.
Couldn't disagree more. Tits are fun to play with but not necessary. Ass is nice of course. Being fit in general is good. But you have to look at her alot, and that's why face is important. Body means nothing to me unless she's huge as long as shes cute. If she's cute i can just look at her while im pounding her which makes them liek you more. It's bulletproof.
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<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
Competition level eh? America's ex-past time (baseball) has no cap, and no one cares. </div>
No. People that get off on fast paced athletic competition and can't understand a real sport don't care. True sports fans value baseball, and despise ignorant righteous "thrillseekers" such as you. Meet a true baseball fan and tell me that they're not the most diehard fans in the world. Basketball is nothing compared to baseball fans.
Competition level eh? America's ex-past time (baseball) has no cap, and no one cares. </div>
No. People that get off on fast paced athletic competition and can't understand a real sport don't care. True sports fans value baseball, and despise ignorant righteous "thrillseekers" such as you. Meet a true baseball fan and tell me that they're not the most diehard fans in the world. Basketball is nothing compared to baseball fans.
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<div class="quote_poster">Shard Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No. People that get off on fast paced athletic competition and can't understand a real sport don't care. True sports fans value baseball, and despise ignorant righteous "thrillseekers" such as you. Meet a true baseball fan and tell me that they're not the most diehard fans in the world. Basketball is nothing compared to baseball fans.</div>
I despise people that misread my posts. I said baseball fans overall don't care about there not being a cap in that sport.
I didn't mention whether basketball is better than baseball nor do I care which is the better sport in most people's opinions.
I despise people that misread my posts. I said baseball fans overall don't care about there not being a cap in that sport.
I didn't mention whether basketball is better than baseball nor do I care which is the better sport in most people's opinions.
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<div class="quote_poster">Shard Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Couldn't disagree more. Tits are fun to play with but not necessary. Ass is nice of course. Being fit in general is good. But you have to look at her alot, and that's why face is important. Body means nothing to me unless she's huge as long as shes cute. If she's cute i can just look at her while im pounding her which makes them liek you more. It's bulletproof.</div>
Well you're right about this though.
Well you're right about this though.
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<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I despise people that misread my posts. I said baseball fans overall don't care about there not being a cap in that sport.
I didn't mention whether basketball is better than baseball nor do I care which is the better sport in most people's opinions.</div>
Sorry bro, the way I read it was that you said no one in America cares about baseball. My bad. Continue on your debate with M21.
I didn't mention whether basketball is better than baseball nor do I care which is the better sport in most people's opinions.</div>
Sorry bro, the way I read it was that you said no one in America cares about baseball. My bad. Continue on your debate with M21.
