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Hank already yelling at the D (3 times) to stop screening him....oh boy.
 
Frustrating game so far. D not giving them anything really. But a terrible play by Etem leads to their 1st goal AND a terrible change leads to their 2nd goal. Frustrating.

Let's see if the O decides to show up tonight.
 
Another PP goal against. Etem terrible pass on 1st goal. On ice for terrible change on 2nd goal. Takes the penalty for the 3rd goal. Good game for him...:).
 
D still having issues keeping the crease clear, collapsing way to early, no forecheck, no backcheck, no O. At least it is a 100% total team lack of effort ;)
 
I will respectfully disagree with you about the D. The Panthers have 13 shots through two periods...13. We have 0 goals. 1 of their goals was a PPG. The other was a terrible neutral zone TO by Etem. And the other was a poor change by us.

Not going to get on the D when the other team has 13 shots and we have 0 goals through two periods. I think we are just trained to blame the D now...LOL...even though to me I am way more concerned about the O big picture.
 
I would have to say with such a high scoring percentage by the opposing team, that is a direct correlation to poor defensive play. As I coach my kids at the various levels, I try to stress two way hockey to my forwards, clearing the crease and giving clear looks for the goalie to the D and gap responsibility to everyone. I understand what you are saying Chuck but I will humbly disagree per my point above. On a different tangent we have goalies. I don't look at GAA but judge them by save percentage. Don't get me wrong, that is not a jab a Hank because he has bailed us out over and over again this season.
 
Kreider should've just dress and not come back to the game. What an effort by him tonight and this tool in his contract year. If AV has any balls left, Kreider should be sitting in the press box for the next week.
 
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Tonight was not on the D at all dino. Not sure what else to say. We scored 0 goals and they had 18 shots. One of their goals was on the PP. Agree to disagree if you think tonight had anything to do with the D. The Panthers had very few good chances tonight. The D was fine. The O was the issue.
 
Sad roster and the guys they needed to get to the next level have crapped out.
 
Laughable! (sarcasm). They are so messed up.
 
chuckd3534 said:
Tonight was not on the D at all dino. Not sure what else to say. We scored 0 goals and they had 18 shots. One of their goals was on the PP. Agree to disagree if you think tonight had anything to do with the D. The Panthers had very few good chances tonight. The D was fine. The O was the issue.
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Chuck, I think it was a bad effort top to bottom. Not just the D, so we are in agreement the D can't be pinned for the loss by themselves. Speaking of the D, sometimes I just can't figure out the pairs AV puts out there and who he decides to play and not. I know we are all coach GM/Coaches, but at times, AV has me scratching my head saying, WTF man?
 
Etem 0 goals. Hayes 6 goals (0 in 16 games). Kreider 6 goals (1 goal in 9 games).

Not good enough.

I have faith the D will continue to get better. I have zero faith we'll have enough O unless Kreider and Hayes wake up.
 
I think the D was fine.

When a team has 18 shots I cannot kill the D. When we score 0 goals I cannot kill the D.

If anything the O is to blame for the goals. The 1st goal was a terrible play by Etem and a weak back check by Lindberg. The 2nd goal was a slow change upfront. And the 3rd goal was a PPG.

I don't think this is on the D at all.
 
Sather has been an absolute failure here as GM. He redeemed himself somewhat in the last 4 seasons until he started giving out albatross contracts and signing idiots like Glass.
 
The only deal I have an issue with there is Staal. It was compounded when we dealt a lot for Yandle. That meant we were going all in last year and this year since ZERO shot we could resign Yandle with Staal here long term.

That is the one deal I want back. If we didn't resign Staal we could resign Yandle. If we didn' resign Staal we could have dealt him at the DL last season and added Yandle to replace him.

The Staal deal is the only one I'd want back. I want the Yandle deal back only because we have Staal and cannot keep Yandle, but if we could keep Yandle and get rid of Staal I would be fine with that deal as well.
 
I think this season is pretty much a waste at this point. This group cant get it done.
Chuck, like you said before a lot of hockey has caught up to them. This current roster is stale and I am not sure how they can fix it this season with so many idiotic contracts. Looking at the rest of the team, there are a lot of expiring contracts. They should try to move either Hayes or Kreider and Yandle this season. Find a way to get rid of Glass. These guys will be gone after this season for sure.
Boyle
Etem
Stalberg
DMoore
Yandle if he does not get traded during the season.

There are going to be a lot of forward roster spots to compete for next season.
 
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40 SOG and only 5 of them were threatening. If this
game is an example of future games, Rangers are
in trouble. And I do not see them improving.
 
Stepupstepan said:
Sather has been an absolute failure here as GM. He redeemed himself somewhat in the last 4 seasons until he started giving out albatross contracts and signing idiots like Glass.
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UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY !!!!
 
Could have a few lean years coming if they can't do something with certain contracts and certain players don't show much growth. Limited cap space to boot really hamstrings things.
 
You don't give out big money deals with no trade clauses in a salary cap situation. They can sign elsewhere if they don't like it.
 
The Rangers had 40 shots on goal last night to the Panthers 20 and out-attempted them 70 to 37.

The Rangers were 0-5 on the PP while the Panthers were 1 for 4.

The Panthers also scored a goal as a direct result of an Emerson Etem turnover.

At 5 on 5 the Rangers out-attempted them 53 to 24.


A lot of good things happened last night IMO. The D played really well. We really did control a lot of the play as you see from the numbers. A couple of dumb plays by Etem/a slow change and a PPG against did us in.

Luongo played well, but maybe 7 or so of his 40 saves were tough or semi-tough, and most of those happened in the 3rd period when we were down 3-0 and the Panthers went into a little bit of a shell.

We do need a little mix-up, but I am not giving up on this team. We should look to move Yandle or Staal and add a forward that can score some goals. That would be my focus. Then let McIlrath play. And one of Klein or Girardi or Boyle can play LD. I am sure somehow they can do it. And you have Skjei as an extra if needed.
 
The difference though is the other team may get 17 shots vs the Rangers 30, but how many are point blank wide open on HL? Probably 50 % whereas most of the Ranger shots are from the outside. So the SOG stat in our games is somewhat misleading.
 
Florida's finally seeing the benefits of years of high draft picks, they are no longer a patsy. If you don't see the difference between the way Florida plays physical defense clearing the crease versus the oven mitt gang in Blueshirts we're watching a different game - they need McIlrath in the lineup. The Panthers are playing the type of hockey that wins playoff games. First goal was a bad pass by Etem but then Boyle let Knight skate right around him unmolested instead of checking him, Etem didn't make much of an effort to get back either. Second goal Staal had Trochek's stick but a lucky bounce off his leg went in, didn't like that Staal let him crash into Hank. Third goal was quick puck movement for a one timer in front of McDonough. It would have been nice to see the $8 mil man Stepan put away a layup to break the shutout The Rangers defense needs to engage opponents in front of the goal instead of trying to be goaltenders, all they're doing is screening Hank.

I agree with you about not giving up on the team Chuck and rotating more players to the press box for a night or two off. I don't see the now -1 Staal getting traded so it has to be Yandle, simple business decision. Posters hating on Tanner Glass are giving Etem and Stalberg a free pass - they both suck much more than Tanner Glass.
 
Not many actually. The D was fine last night. You guys have gone so far beyond with the D it isn't worth debating anymore. The D was solid last night.

Yeah the Panthers had a couple of chances, every team gives up some chances in a game, but the D was solid last night. The D was also solid against TB. We have simply gotten to the point where the D gets slammed in here no matter what happens, even in a game when they allow 20 shots against and score 0 goals.

The 3 Panther goals were a terrible neutral zone TO by Etem, followed by a weak back check by Lindberg. A slow poor change by the forwards, and the goal went in off a Panthers leg after Hank made a save. And the 3rd was a PPG.

The D was solid, but we cannot see that in here because no matter what we think they are awful.
 
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