Re-signing Grant

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Pinwheel1 said:
I agree with you. But unless Dame has already made up his mind to leave, then you have to move forward with signing him.
We can't wait until mid-July.
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You pick a number and don't go above that. I said $30 million per year, which is still a bit overpaid. Think of it as him being worth $25 million with a $5 million Dame tax.

If he wants $35-45 million per year you have to let him walk. I can't believe posters are saying to resign him at any cost.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Even at $30 million per year the contract might be tradeable. I'm fine with not offering him that much and walking away too, I don't see him having much value at $30 million. But if its $35-45 million per season no way am I agreeing to that. Then it'll become a Even Turner/Jusuf Nurkic boat anchor that prevents this team from rebuilding for the next 5 years.
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I don't think there is any team out there that would give Grant 30M/year
 
riverman said:
Ben Simmons has a bloated contract...Grant is worth a stable contract and it is an asset compared to Ben Simmons or other 50 million dollar stars people keep talking about wanting to bring in here. Grant will get Ant money more than likely or slightly more..he wants the 5th year I'd guess.
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Your using Ben Simmons contract as a means to justify overpaying Grant?

Ben Simmons contract is worth less than nothing - the Blazers would be very stupid to try and create another one of those for 5 more years.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Dude will not have value if he is grossly overpaid like the Blazers have done many times - Meyers, Crabbe, Turner, Nurkic, etc.

We were stuck with those contracts for many years and wasted a ton of Dames prime because of it. Don't make the same mistake with Sharpe and Scoot's future.
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Ok... you have to see the humor here.

Leonard - traded for Whiteside.

Crabbe - traded to the Nets.

Turner - traded to the Hawks for Bazemore.

Nurk - I don't think he's grossly overpaid...
 
PtldPlatypus said:
At what contract value does he cease to be an asset?
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I'd estimate $25 million per year is the break even spot. I'd go up to $30 million to have a slightly negative asset as a "Dame tax". I'm not paying any more than that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ok... you have to see the humor here.

Leonard - traded for Whiteside.

Crabbe - traded to the Nets.

Turner - traded to the Hawks for Bazemore.

Nurk - I don't think he's grossly overpaid...
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You know who is on the Blazers cap next season until 2024; a 34 year old Andrew Nicholson for $2.8 million as a cost of the Crabbe contract. We've been paying nearly a decade for that stupid decision back in 2016.

So you want to set the Blazers up to get a return like that in a trade? Why do you want that? What did the Blazers get of value in any of the above deals.

They would be much better to just walk away from these negative contracts right now.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Not sure. But just from my own research, there's hardly any players out there that are like Grant. It's weird how we seem to be in some kind of big man drought.
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A 6'8 forward who is a mediocre defender, too slow to play SF and too weak of a rebounder to play PF while seeming to be sort of athletic is very rare indeed.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
You know who is on the Blazers cap next season until 2024; a 34 year old Andrew Nicholson for $2.8 million as a cost of the Crabbe contract. We've been paying nearly a decade for that stupid decision back in 2016.

So you want to set the Blazers up to get a return like that in a trade? Why do you want that? What did the Blazers get of value in any of the above deals.

They would be much better to just walk away from these negative contracts right now.
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They were still moveable contracts. The Crabbe one was the only trade that brought back negative value - albeit less negative value than Crabbe.

We traded for Whiteside because Nurk was injured. We traded for Baze because we thought he'd be a better fit. Neil sucks but those contracts didn't hinder us from trading them.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
A 6'8 forward who is a mediocre defender, too slow to play SF and too weak of a rebounder to play PF while seeming to be sort of athletic is very rare indeed.
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And yet he's widely considered one of the top free agents this summer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He's in his prime and he plays a position of scarcity right now. The dude will have trade value. We can backload his deal so that his contract is more tradeable.
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Incorrect - backloading a contract makes it less valuable in trades, as the cheap years are already used up and the acquiring team has to pay those increases in later years while not receiving the cheaper initial seasons.

If the Blazers want to make the contract have the highest trade value they should front load it with the maximum decreases allowed. However that may increase the cash the Blazers pay this season and we've never seen a Jody move take on more cash in a current year than is required.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Incorrect - backloading a contract makes it less valuable in trades, as the cheap years are already used up and the acquiring team has to pay those increases in later years while not receiving the cheaper initial seasons.

If the Blazers want to make the contract have the highest trade value they should front load it with the maximum decreases allowed. However that may increase the cash the Blazers pay this season and we've never seen a Jody move take on more cash in a current year than is required.
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Maybe do that then. Eat the bigger part first so that he's easier to trade in a year or two.
 
Sign and trade! (Grant) go after PF and picks

Dame will be traded this week to Nets

Blazers acquire Ayton, using some of our new picks from Brooklyn in a Dame Trade along with Nurkic
in 3-team deal with Philly & Suns?

rebuild now
 
I will go into it more once IF /When Dame asks out but I suspect they never had any intention to re-sign Grant and he was just a tool for the Blazers to use and throw away. Now IF Dame stays and Grant gets a huge deal then I am wrong but I am suspecting that I am not and the more and more I think about it I pray I am wrong. However If my theory is correct Jody and this front office are the worst in the NBA and her selling cannot come soon enough and cannot Blame Dame for wanting to leave and PA has to be rolling over in his grave.

I hope I am wrong and maybe I am reading WAY WAY too much into this but i will break down my thinking if the worst happens and you will see why I came to this crazy thought in detail.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'd estimate $25 million per year is the break even spot. I'd go up to $30 million to have a slightly negative asset as a "Dame tax". I'm not paying any more than that.
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Amazingly enough, 8% raises over his current salary is almost exactly average value of $25M/year. I'm guessing Grant is expecting better than that.
 
Grant....tied 133rd in rebounding in the NBA. Is that where we really want to spend that much money?
 
Let's be real for a minute and take Dame out of this what do you all think Grant is worth on a deal cause I do not mind him being back but for 30m -- HELL NO

If I was the GM or had my way I would give him a 4 yr Deal -- 4th yr on deal Team option and he would get 20 to 24m per season still maybe a slight over pay but the problem is not only his salary but his fit on the team. He only makes sense if we get better in the PF and C spots that play more defense and such to cover up the fact he is average at best on D.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Let's be real for a minute and take Dame out of this what do you all think Grant is worth on a deal cause I do not mind him being back but for 30m -- HELL NO

If I was the GM or had my way I would give him a 4 yr Deal -- 4th yr on deal Team option and he would get 20 to 24m per season still maybe a slight over pay but the problem is not only his salary but his fit on the team. He only makes sense if we get better in the PF and C spots that play more defense and such to cover up the fact he is average at best on D.
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well said and fully agree
 
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