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RipCityDSCPL said:
Posted this in another thread, guess should have posted it here,

I think this is fair for all teams involved but what the hell do I know? This was pretty hard for me to figure out.

I welcome feedback on why or why not this sucks


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7tktjqt

Rotation:

Dame/Ausustin/Hunter(?)
CJ/Crabbe
Harkless/Barbosa/Layman
Collins/Aminu/Swanigan
Nurk/Chandler/Meyers
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Why would PHX do that? They add more salary for more years.
 
BonesJones said:
No, they wouldn't, and if they did, it's because they overrate Drummond.

How is the Detroit package high upside? Drummond has 0 offensive upside, and his defense and rebounding is about as good as it'll get. Drummond will never learn how to shoot outside of 4 feet, and his not going to develop into Hakeem in the low post. Nurkic has so much more room to grow and he has immense offensive upside. Athleticism doesn't equal upside. Nurkic has more upside because he's never been in great shape, while Drummond doesn't have much room to improve his body.

Reggie Jackson is 27, and has been declining the past couple years. He's not big enough to play SG, and he's a horrible defender who'd be an awful fit with Dame and C.J. He's a selfish player who shoots a below average efficiency. He is what he is, and that's a player that doesn't bring anything positive to an NBA team.

Harris is the only one with upside, but he has about as much as Crabbe does since they're the same age.

Nurkic's upside outweighs all three of those guys upside by far. But then you want to give up two first round picks, Harkless, and Vonleh? C'mon now.
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His defense and rebounding is as good as it's going to get because it's already pretty damn good. Like top 3 rebounder in the NBA good. If you think Reggie Jackson "doesn't bring anything positive to an NBA team" and Harris "has as much upside as Crabbe" then we obviously have strongly different opinions of those players. And that's ok. I'm not trying to be the guy that shits on all the Nurk hype because I like his game too, I just think we all probably over value him at this point because of what he did at the end of the season, ignoring his downsides and prone to injuries.
 
AFully22 said:
His defense and rebounding is as good as it's going to get because it's already pretty damn good. Like top 3 rebounder in the NBA good. If you think Reggie Jackson "doesn't bring anything positive to an NBA team" and Harris "has as much upside as Crabbe" then we obviously have strongly different opinions of those players. And that's ok. I'm not trying to be the guy that shits on all the Nurk hype because I like his game too, I just think we all probably over value him at this point because of what he did at the end of the season, ignoring his downsides and prone to injuries.
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How will he become a better rebounder if he goes hard after every board? What will he improve that will make him noticeably better at defense??

And please tell me what good Reggie Jackson brings an NBA team. He had an ORTG of 93 per 100 FGAs. So don't say scoring because he makes scores less per attempt than the rest of his team.
 
BonesJones said:
How will he become a better rebounder if he goes hard after every board? What will he improve that will make him noticeably better at defense??

And please tell me what good Reggie Jackson brings an NBA team. He had an ORTG of 93 per 100 FGAs. So don't say scoring because he makes scores less per attempt than the rest of his team.
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I didn't say that he needed to improve at rebounding, I said he his already one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Almost everyone in Detroit had a down year. They made the mistake of using Reggie Jackson as their starting point guard and play initiator. They pulled the McMillan and Crawford. He would be a great spark off the bench, as he was in OKC. Saying he brings absolutely nothing to an NBA team is a silly statement that only sounds good in the era of hot takes. And you've made it evident you're a big Crabbe fan so I have a feeling convincing you that Tobias Harris and Allen Crabbe have two very different ceilings is an impossible task and so I won't try.
 
Sabonis to Indy should make Thad Young more available. Having trouble finding a deal that makes sense for both sides though.

I don't think they'd take on Meyers even w/ our 18' first attached and I'd be reluctant to do that same deal w/ Crabbe for a guy we'd only have for a year most likely.
 
AFully22 said:
I didn't say that he needed to improve at rebounding, I said he his already one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Almost everyone in Detroit had a down year. They made the mistake of using Reggie Jackson as their starting point guard and play initiator. They pulled the McMillan and Crawford. He would be a great spark off the bench, as he was in OKC. Saying he brings absolutely nothing to an NBA team is a silly statement that only sounds good in the era of hot takes. And you've made it evident you're a big Crabbe fan so I have a feeling convincing you that Tobias Harris and Allen Crabbe have two very different ceilings is an impossible task and so I won't try.
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53% is the highest TS% he's ever recorded. He's an inefficient chucker who doesn't play defense.
 
@BonesJones How about this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybvplsbx

Then,

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6vbxusl

Better or still awful? Please explain in detail why. All I see is that they both are successful.

Rotation:

Dame/Napier/Hunter(?)
CJ/Crabbe/Shumpert
Harkless/Barbosa/Layman
Collins/Morris/Swanigan
Nurk/Chandler/Leonard

Would like feedback from other's too not just Bones.

Edit: What about this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7dpnarm

Rotation:

Dame/Napier/Hunter(?)
CJ/Crabbe/Shumpert
Harkless/Barbosa/Layman
Morris/Frye/Swanigan
Nurk/Collins/Chandler
 
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RipCityDSCPL said:
@BonesJones How about this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybvplsbx

Then,

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6vbxusl

Better or still awful? Please explain in detail why. All I see is that they both are successful.

Rotation:

Dame/Napier/Hunter(?)
CJ/Crabbe/Shumpert
Harkless/Barbosa/Layman
Collins/Morris/Swanigan
Nurk/Chandler/Leonard

Would like feedback from other's too not just Bones.
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1st trades makes little sense for either the Pistons or Magic and that 2nd deal seems both unnecessary and bad value imo.

And even if these trades did go through, I'm not a huge fan of the end roster. Getting off of Turner's deal is nice, but I'd rather keep Davis around (if we can't get a good 2nd for him) than bring in Morris and Chandler. Those guys aren't taking us anywhere so I'd rather just give those minutes to Collins/Swanigan and see what we have in them.
 
JDC said:
1st trades makes little sense for either the Pistons or Magic and that 2nd deal seems both unnecessary and bad value imo.

And even if these trades did go through, I'm not a huge fan of the end roster. Getting off of Turner's deal is nice, but I'd rather keep Davis around (if we can't get a good 2nd for him) than bring in Morris and Chandler. Those guys aren't taking us anywhere so I'd rather just give those minutes to Collins/Swanigan and see what we have in them.
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People say we need a consolidation trade and complain about overpaid players. I tried to fix that. It took me an hour to make the money match for the first one. Thank you for the feedback. How would you make the four team make sense?
 
Natebishop3 said:
People bitch about our contract situation, but Lee's contract is pretty horrible as well. $11 million a year with 4 more years left???
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Lee is a much better player. I think his contract is fair. He's worth more than Crabbe or Turner
 
Meyers making 30 mil over 3 years is what really bothers this forum. This organization pays 10 mil a year for a guy that can't play like a polished 3 mil a year Jusef Nurkic
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
People say we need a consolidation trade and complain about overpaid players. I tried to fix that. It took me an hour to make the money match for the first one. Thank you for the feedback. How would you make the four team make sense?
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People are wrong.
These same people were saying Portland needed a consolidation trade last year as well.
Said there weren't enough minutes to go around @ center/pf
Yet at the end of the year Portland was starting Meyers Leonard who was rumored to be playing through nerve damage.

Regardless if Portland should make a trade or not, or if players are overpaid or not. These people want to make a move, just to make a move. Which isn't a winning solution for really any team.

I'm not against a trade, but it must make logic. Getting rid of players just to do so, isn't going to happen. Otherwise it would have happened already.
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
@BonesJones How about this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybvplsbx

Then,

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6vbxusl

Better or still awful? Please explain in detail why. All I see is that they both are successful.

Rotation:

Dame/Napier/Hunter(?)
CJ/Crabbe/Shumpert
Harkless/Barbosa/Layman
Collins/Morris/Swanigan
Nurk/Chandler/Leonard

Would like feedback from other's too not just Bones.

Edit: What about this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7dpnarm

Rotation:

Dame/Napier/Hunter(?)
CJ/Crabbe/Shumpert
Harkless/Barbosa/Layman
Morris/Frye/Swanigan
Nurk/Collins/Chandler
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The first trade I don't believe Detroit makes.
I don't believe they'd give up Johnson & Morris to take on BB regardless if Ross was included.
I also don't believe Orlando would be willing to give up on Ross for Turner.
As far as the Suns go, they say they're all in on the youth movement. I don't think they reject any trade that sheds vets and gives them young players or picks.

2nd trade, I prefer Aminu over Shumpert.

3rd trade works a little more imo.
But I think you'd need to give Aminu to the Cavs, Frye to Philly, and Portland takes Bayless.
1 year contracts seem something like Philly is willing to do.
Aminu gives the Cavs a versatile defender to throw at KD.
I don't really see the advantage Portland gets to making this trade though.
Bayless + Shumpert don't shed salary immediately, nor do they make Portland much better. + Giving up Vonleh who is entering a contract year + is turning 22 this year.

I personally think while I could see trade #3 going through with some modifications. I don't see the point of it out of Portland's perspective.
Other than to make a move, just to make a move.
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
People say we need a consolidation trade and complain about overpaid players. I tried to fix that. It took me an hour to make the money match for the first one. Thank you for the feedback. How would you make the four team make sense?
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No four team trade makes sense. And don't worry so much about clearing salary; I don't think Olshey is yet. Worry about making the Blazers better in the next three- four years.
 
AFully22 said:
If Portland offers Nurk, Harkless, AC, Vonleh, 2 future 1sts (or some variation) for Drummond, Jackson, and Harris does Detroit consider it? As much as I love Nurk I'd pull the trigger on that deal.
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Mark it down everyone!!!

The first trade proposal for Nurkić!!!

And for sorry ass Drummond.... You gotta be kidding me...
 
Drummond is just not that good, Jackson is done and Harris only cares about shooting the ball.
 
Are we still waiting to find out what we have in players like Meyers Leonard and Allen Crabbe?
 
dviss1 said:
On a garbage team that wants to trade him.

So Kevin Love's numbers in Minny mean he's worth building a team around?
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Not at all. Just odd that those nunvers, even on a bad team equate to "just not good"
 
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