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BonesJones said:
Timberwolves still won't make the playoffs.

Wiggins, Rubio, and Dieng are all average to below average NBA starters. That also have little good depth and they don't have a single good 3pt shooter on the entire team. Not worried.
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Wiggins averages 23 ppg with a 16.5 PER. He's a solid starter. Rubio almost averaged a double double last year, with a 16.8 PER. They may be better than you think
 
I don't think Portland can realistically think about getting players in return, they need to dump salary. They're going to have to give Nurkic a huge deal next year. They really need to find a way to get rid of Crabbe or Turner.

I expect Ed Davis and Aminu to be delt in cap dump moves.
 
Meyers (3 yrs @ 30M) and Ed Davis (1 yr @ 6M) saves us 16mil this year. I see an inclusion of these guys whenever a FA or future pick may come here.
 
At this time, I do not see any realistic trades.

There maybe an opportunity to make a fair trade at the deadline, however, I would be OK sticking with this roster for the entire season.

So what if PA has to pay luxury tax for this season. Let’s take a look at what we have. My guess is, we make the playoffs, and our entire roster will have one more season of experience. Many of our players will improve their skills, and raise their trade value for the next off season.

The next draft will be the next reasonable time to make a splash with a consolidation trade. I’m not saying we should pass up a no-brainer trade. What I am saying is, do not make a trade that will cost the team trade assets, just to get below the LT.

And I do not believe we are overstocked with bigs as some have mentioned. Bigs appear to get injured more often. Plus we have bigs just entering the development stage, and the results are un-known. We should have enough bigs to get by this season. But do not rush out to trade several of them. Again, next off-season will be a better time to consider trading bigs, and dumping salary.

Fan patience and hard work by the players should be the mindset for this season. This sport is not a video game with instant results.
 
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Everyone keeps saying the Blazers need to dump salary, I want to adjust that idea to being Shave salary. What does that mean? It means getting shorter contracts back here and there. Crabbe has 3 years left on his contract we need to get back avguy who has 2. Same for Turner or Meyers. But even better we need Crabbe to have a productive year and boost his trade value relevant to contract value. Same for Meyers.

As much as people complain about the contracts we wouldn't have been better off without those guys they all contributed to us getting into the playoffs and we wouldn't have had cap space after Turner to fill out the roster as productively... even though we did overpay for Crabbe.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Wiggins averages 23 ppg with a 16.5 PER. He's a solid starter. Rubio almost averaged a double double last year, with a 16.8 PER. They may be better than you think
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However, Wiggins averages that much because of volume shooting with meh efficiency, and he's not a good rebounder, passer, and he's a very bad defender. I could name at least 15 PGs better than Rubio. This might make them a 40 win team, but that's it IMO
 
Timberwolves are close to having the cap space to go after Lowry or Paul... something to keep an eye on.
 
Trackjack said:
What properly going to happen is that Davis and either Aminu or Harkless going be gone. Aminu if stays I see him moving back to small foward. They will try attach ML to any trade there going to do.
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I don't see why you think either Harkless or Aminu will go. They are the only medium size players we have with versatility to guard different positions. (I consider Turner to be more guard-sized). We didn't draft anyone to replace them. So, unless we could find a trade that brings someone back who is their size and can do what they do better, I don't see why we would trade them.
 
Fez Von Savage said:
With a glut of bigs I think Neil can take a risk on a prospect who probably could use a change of scenery.

Before he came to Portland Mo Harkless was racking up DNPs in Orlando.

With Swanigan and Collins I think Vonleh will be moved. He's probably the most movable piece we have oufside the core.

My idea:

To Orlando: Noah Vonleh | Tim Quarterman (for cap purposes)
To Portland: Mario Hezonja
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What's the deal on Hezonja; drafted #5 but hasn't done much apparently?
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
He's not better than Crabbe, Moe, or Turner when given starter minutes and they're the #1 or #2 option on their team. Which they all would be if they had gotten traded to Chicago or Indiana.

Tell me why they wouldn't be? Especially for Crabbe.
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Seriously, you think Allen Crabbe is better than Zach LaVine?????

Crabbe may be THE most 1-dimensional player in the entire NBA, and one of the most overpaid. Crabbe does one thing, and only one thing well - catch and shoot wide open 3-pointers. He cannot create his own shot and he cannot create for others. He's a horrible rebounder for his size and was the worst defender on a bad defensive team.

LaVine is 3 years younger, FAR cheaper ($3.2 million vs. $18.5 million), can create his own shot and finish at the rim and can create for others. His 2FG% was actually higher than Crabbe's and he gets too the FT line more. He can beat people off the dribble and Crabbe can't.

The one, any only thing Crabbe does better is catch and shoot wide open 3-pointers. LaVine's 3FG% is well above league average and he's not afraid to shoot a 3 with a defender within the same zip code.

Crabbe was assisted on 97% of his 3FGs and 77.5% of his 2FGs. He is reliant on others to create shots for him. LaVine was assisted on 80.8% of his 3FGs and 46.6% of his 2FGs. He can, and does create his own shot. Crabbe cannot.

LaVine's AST% was 12.6, Crabbe's was 6.1. LaVine can create for others. Crabbe cannot.

Trading Butler signifies that the Bulls are in full on rebuild mold. Rebuilding around a multifaceted 22-year old that makes $3.2 million makes a hell of a lot more sense than rebuilding around a 1-dimensional 25-year old that makes $18.5 million.

BNM
 
Fez Von Savage said:
With a glut of bigs I think Neil can take a risk on a prospect who probably could use a change of scenery.

Before he came to Portland Mo Harkless was racking up DNPs in Orlando.

With Swanigan and Collins I think Vonleh will be moved. He's probably the most movable piece we have oufside the core.

My idea:

To Orlando: Noah Vonleh | Tim Quarterman (for cap purposes)
To Portland: Mario Hezonja
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I want to keep Vonleh kid really started to break out last year especially playing alongside Nurk. He also had a nice playoff series. Bad time to trade away a kid that is just now turning the corner.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I don't see why you think either Harkless or Aminu will go. They are the only medium size players we have with versatility to guard different positions. (I consider Turner to be more guard-sized). We didn't draft anyone to replace them. So, unless we could find a trade that brings someone back who is their size and can do what they do better, I don't see why we would trade them.
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Trading either one of those guys will problely get back a small foward hopefully better. But Turner can play small foward too. Your now loaded with players that can play the 4/5 position that means that Aminu will move back to 3 and if that happens then between Harkless and Turner and Aminu and even Crabbe sometimes can play that 3. So some where's with those players someone is not going get minutes. The one that don't do good coming off the bench is Harkless he does his best work as a starter. So who do you bench. Now it doesn't have to be those two players it also could be Turner or Crabbe. But due to there contracts and if you another GM which one those contracts would you want. Now remember all 4 of those players are decent players that might help someone. I believe Harkless and Aminu contracts look better to me then other two.
 
Wonder if the Hawks would make this trade.

They could use another ball handler/shot creator. We could use a guy who does a little bit of everything.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9k88z6q

Could be such a marginal change that it's not worth it, and we would be better off keeping ET. I like Bazemores game though, but he's missed some games the past years.
 
Boob-No-More said:
and one of the most overpaid.
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HE'S OVERPAID BECAUSE HE'S NOT A CONSISTENT STARTER AND DOESN'T GET THE MINUTES TO SCORE THE AMOUNT OF POINTS HE NEEDS TO JUSTIFY THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do people not understand this?

Your Allen Crabbe hate is clouding your judgement.
 
I overvalue the shit out of our guys. I think Neil Olshey overvalues the shit out of our guys as well. However, I absolutely refute the idea that we need to pay a price to unload any of these players. I think a major thing that some people are over looking is that it's crazy to complain about a general manager that drafted so well and traded assets so well that all their contracts come up at the same time and we need to actually need to pay these players.

If Paul Allen is willing to pay some lux tax for a minute its no big deal at all. It's not like Portland was the only team that went crazy, we just went crazy first. Go look at the cap situation for any team that has any talent. They're all gonna be capped the fuck out in a year or two. Compare Portland to any playoff team that the national media says is doing fine cap wise and didn't give out these "crazy contracts"

The only problem is we gave these contracts out first.

Next year, lets talk about Detroit, Let's talk about Oklahoma City, take a look at what Milwaukee has coming up. Let's talk about all the middling teams that gave out or will give out huge fucking contracts other than the Blazers. Except we gave them out earlier and for less money.

The fact is that every team that drafts a good player or two has a window. It's between when the rookie scale ends, and when the real money begins. Our window was last year, and because no one wants to play here we ended up with Evan Turner, who by the way is a former number 2 pick and can absolutely play up to his contract.

The windows for a lot of teams are coming up, and because their ownership isn't as loaded as ours, they will have to make tough and bad decisions. See: OKC in 2012 with Harden.

In summary, when these contracts expire, all at the same time by the way, we'll be fucking gold. In the meantime we're making decent moves to get better.
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
HE'S OVERPAID BECAUSE HE'S NOT A CONSISTENT STARTER AND DOESN'T GET THE MINUTES TO SCORE THE AMOUNT OF POINTS HE NEEDS TO JUSTIFY THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do people not understand this?

Your Allen Crabbe hate is clouding your judgement.
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Easy on the all caps and huge font. My eyes aren't bad enough (yet) that I need the large print edition of this forum.

Crabbe averaged 28.5 MPG. He was 3rd on the team in total minutes played, behind only Dame and C.J. This isn't about a lack of minutes. Crabbe doesn't score more for two reasons: he's way too passive and he cannot create his own shot. Meyers Fucking Leonard is more capable of creating his his own shot and creating for others than Allen Crabbe.

Hate has nothing to do with it. Look up the stats if you don't believe me.

BNM
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
HE'S OVERPAID BECAUSE HE'S NOT A CONSISTENT STARTER AND DOESN'T GET THE MINUTES TO SCORE THE AMOUNT OF POINTS HE NEEDS TO JUSTIFY THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do people not understand this?

Your Allen Crabbe hate is clouding your judgement.
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He may not be a starter, but he is getting consistent minutes. He averages 25+ minutes a game.

Players with skills will show their skills on the court with that much playing time.

He hasn't shown that he's good at ANYTHING else than shooting wide open 3s
 
Boob-No-More said:
Easy on the all caps and huge font. My eyes aren't bad enough (yet) that I need the large print edition of this forum.

Crabbe averaged 28.5 MPG. He was 3rd on the team in total minutes played, behind only Dame and C.J. This isn't about a lack of minutes. Crabbe doesn't score more for two reasons: he's way too passive and he cannot create his own shot. Meyers Fucking Leonard is more capable of creating his his own shot and creating for others than Allen Crabbe.

Hate has nothing to do with it. Look up the stats if you don't believe me.

BNM
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You think the bold type I highlighted isn't a cause of each other? If Crabbe went to Indiana in a trade for say Paul George and Monta Ellis. Crabbe would be the next best player on that team with Myles Turner. No doubt in my mind. Crabbe has to defer to Dame and CJ(and now Nurkic and probably Collins now too) because he is strictly a role player on this team, he wouldn't be on a rebuilding Indiana team.

Let me make one thing clear though, Just because he would be a starter on a rebuilding Indiana team doesn't mean I think or don't think who would lead Indiana into the playoffs. My argument is he would 'live up to his contract'.

My last message was all in caps and huge font to prove a point, you know that isn't how I normally type on here.
 
BonesJones said:
However, Wiggins averages that much because of volume shooting with meh efficiency, and he's not a good rebounder, passer, and he's a very bad defender. I could name at least 15 PGs better than Rubio. This might make them a 40 win team, but that's it IMO
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Wiggins reminds me of young DeRozan
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
You think the bold type I highlighted isn't a cause of each other? If Crabbe went to Indiana in a trade for say Paul George and Monta Ellis. Crabbe would be the next best player on that team with Myles Turner. No doubt in my mind. Crabbe has to defer to Dame and CJ(and now Nurkic and probably Collins now too) because he is strictly a role player on this team, he wouldn't be on a rebuilding Indiana team.

Let me make one thing clear though, Just because he would be a starter on a rebuilding Indiana team doesn't mean I think or don't think who would lead Indiana into the playoffs. My argument is he would 'live up to his contract'.

My last message was all in caps and huge font to prove a point, you know that isn't how I normally type on here.
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Crabbe has to defer to Dame and CJ because he can't create anything for himself or anyone.
 
BonesJones said:
Crabbe has to defer to Dame and CJ because he can't create anything for himself or anyone.
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On his own team I don't think that is true. Why are we even arguing about this? No one can be proven right until he is on a team where he is Batman or Superman(Not the Green Arrow or Hawkman.)
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
You think the bold type I highlighted isn't a cause of each other? If Crabbe went to Indiana in a trade for say Paul George and Monta Ellis. Crabbe would be the next best player on that team with Myles Turner. No doubt in my mind. Crabbe has to defer to Dame and CJ(and now Nurkic and probably Collins now too) because he is strictly a role player on this team, he wouldn't be on a rebuilding Indiana team.

Let me make one thing clear though, Just because he would be a starter on a rebuilding Indiana team doesn't mean I think or don't think who would lead Indiana into the playoffs. My argument is he would 'live up to his contract'.

My last message was all in caps and huge font to prove a point, you know that isn't how I normally type on here.
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So, he'd be the 2nd best player on one of the worst teams in the league?

Yeah, I could see that. It's pretty much his ceiling.

You can talk about deferring to others, but that doesn't change the fact that Crabbe can't create for himself and he doesn't create for others. He has a very weak handle and can't take his man off the dribble. A change of scenery won't change that. If anything, it will be even more exposed when he doesn't have Dame, C.J. and Nurk drawing all the defensive attention and kicking out to Crabbe for wide open catch and shoot 3-pointers.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
So, he'd be the 2nd best player on one of the worst teams in the league?

Yeah, I could see that. It's pretty much his ceiling.

You can talk about deferring to others, but that doesn't change the fact that Crabbe can't create for himself and he doesn't create for others. He has a very weak handle and can't take his man off the dribble. A change of scenery won't change that. If anything, it will be even more exposed when he doesn't have Dame, C.J. and Nurk drawing all the defensive attention and kicking out to Crabbe for wide open catch and shoot 3-pointers.

BNM
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If he sucks so bad and can't do anything else besides shoot wide open catch and shoot 3-pointers then how in the hell was he Pac-12 Player of the Year?

Crabbe can take his man off the dribble, he showed us he could at the beginning of the season and occasionally during the rest of the season. He also showed us a step back shot last season and has gotten to the rim and finished at times last season too he just didn't show it all the time because he is a good little soldier and stayed in his lane because he is just a role player on this team. (Green Arrow/Hawkman)
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
On his own team I don't think that is true. Why are we even arguing about this? No one can be proven right until he is on a team where he is Batman or Superman(Not the Green Arrow or Hawkman.)
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Lol whatever you say. Jake Layman would score 25ppg with the Nets.
 
BonesJones said:
At everything else, he does. He's a great shooter, that's it. Poor defender, ball handler, passer, etc.
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RipCityDSCPL said:
If he sucks so bad and can't do anything else besides shoot wide open catch and shoot 3-pointers then how in the hell was he Pac-12 Player of the Year?

Crabbe can take his man off the dribble, he showed us he could at the beginning of the season and occasionally during the rest of the season. He also showed us a step back shot last season and has gotten to the rim and finished at times last season too he just didn't show it all the time because he is a good little soldier and stayed in his lane because he is just a role player on this team. (Green Arrow/Hawkman)
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