Notice Regardless of what the gun nuts say

[MarAzul]

Mental illness
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you aren't paying attention to the discussion....I'm of the opinion nobody needs an AR14 to defend themselves....I am not living in fear of attack..64 years guns in America have only been used against me as a civilian...never in rescue or defense....I doubt the majority of gun owners have ever saved a civilian life at home or stopped an armed criminal with their privately owned weapon....many though have killed with them...most times in suicide...it's the issue we're facing today..not armed insurrection, revolution, etc.....a peaceful school, church, concert, movie theater going country without the need for a gun to enjoy a night out. That you can't fathom this seems to be coming from your own rigid definitions of the use of arms in civilian America....I'm not including hunting weapons..I have said repeatedly that we don't need the type of weapons on the streets that we're seeing now...opinion....respect all of them and you'll actually have a conversation about it that doesn't involve defining those you talk with as polar opposites.

Are this two post in anyway connected?

 

[riverman]

Are this two post in anyway connected?

yeah....they're my last two free therapy sessions for you...that's the connection...another predictably rude post..sort of like all those other rude constipated snark filled gems you must find on your scrabble board

 

[riverman]

Are this two post in anyway connected?

A man of character would not ask questions with the purpose of insulting the answers

 

[Chris Craig]

So dviss, river, and Chris have different list?

Interesting. Well maybe not.

I think our lists are pretty similar

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Liberalism is a mental disorder......

 

[MarAzul]

I think our lists are pretty similar

Perhaps you could share yours. The other two seem to be snark.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I've met both Nate and @Natebishop3 and Nate would kick @Natebishop3's ass.

I hope that helps and adds something to this discussion.

 

[Chris Craig]

I've met both Nate and @Natebishop3 and Nate would kick @Natebishop3's ass.

I hope that helps and adds something to this discussion.

Good to know

 

[BrianFromWA]

I guarantee one thing, you'll NEVER hear about a bunch of black folk getting stabbed.

Watch tambourine.

Cuz they have guns?

 

[riverman]

Cuz they have guns?

A person can outrun a knife easier than a gun

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I've met both Nate and @Natebishop3 and Nate would kick @Natebishop3's ass.

I hope that helps and adds something to this discussion.

I think @Natebishop3 is the only one who has threatened to shoot another poster.

Size means nothing

 

[jonnyboy]

Being a gun owner doesn't make someone a "GUN NUT". That's just stupid.

 

[BrianFromWA]

@dviss, to try to bring this on track, I'll just use my opinion. Not vetted by the NRA or the Christian Right yet, so I could be off...

To one of the points you brought up, driving is not a protected activity under the Constitution. Weapons ownership is. So I don't think you can use that. Specifically, the state has registries by which they can suspend your license and sell the information to someone who impounds your car, almost at whim. The Constitution doesn't protect against that. It does for weapons. Now, if that changes at some point (maybe when millions of students not trained in Civics become voters and urge their representatives to have a Constitutional Convention?) that's a different story.
For a marijuana registry, I think you must be joking. Everyone in OR, (and CA or CO or anywhere else "legal" to do so) who smokes marijuana registers their usage and purchases in a national database? In something that can be checked by a clerk at a store?

For more on why registries are probably a no-go, ever, you can thank Kamala Harris:

Authorities in California on Wednesday confiscated more than 500 firearms and 100,000 rounds of ammunition in the state’s largest illegal weapons seizure from a single home.
The massive cache was taken from a Fresno County man who had been prohibited from possessing firearms due to a previous mental health hold, said Kamala Harris, the state’s attorney general.
California Department of Justice agents arrested Albert Sheakalee, 59, for illegal firearms possession. They told local outlet ABC30 News that Sheakalee was formerly a federal arms dealer. He was released after posting $11,000 bail, prosecutors said.
His collection included 209 handguns, 88 shotguns, 234 rifles, 181 standard-capacity magazines, 10 high-capacity magazines, 100,521 rounds of various ammunition, and 10 assault weapons, the attorney general’s office said.
Sheakalee lost his license to sell firearms last year and his right to own them this year, ABC30 News reported. He was treated for mental health issues three times in June, and his name was added to state’s Armed Prohibited Persons System...
“Removing firearms from dangerous and violent individuals who pose a threat to themselves and the public is a top priority for the California Department of Justice,” Harris said in the release. “I thank our Bureau of Firearms Special Agents for their bravery in carrying out these dangerous investigations and their commitment to keeping our communities safe.”

“Obviously when a person is admitted into a hospital for a mental health hold it’s because he’s believed to be a danger to himself or to the public,” DOJ Special Agent-In-Charge Michael Haroldsen told ABC30.

Except, oops, it wasn't obvious. And he wasn't admitted for a mental health hold. And he wasn't a danger to himself or the public. And never had (and still doesn't) a record. Someone with no due process tossed his name on a list that infringed his rights to keep weapons. He got his weapons back.

The arrest of Sheakalee and the gun seizure were highly publicized by the DOJ in a 2015 press release that received widespread media coverage. At the time of the arrest, the DOJ stated that Sheakalee was barred from firearms ownership “as a result of being taken into custody under Welfare and Institutions Code 5150,” under which officers can take someone in for evaluation if they are deemed a danger to themselves or others...A letter from (Harris's) department warning Sheakalee that he could not possess firearms due to his 5150 hold was delivered 13 days after he was arrested.

So, um, yeah. Registries in the hands of government officials who don't like guns (or have tools like the no-due-process 5150 law, where if you've ever been taken in you have your rights infringed upon) are not what's going to get any traction going forward for gun control legislation. Did you know that you don't even have to be a clinician to deem someone a "5150"? Any peace officer can do it. @dviss1 , you trust cops enough for them to have a no-due-process, lose-rights-for-life card? Let's assign it to other rights as well. "Fuck this guy, take him in on a 5150. Congratulations, you never get to vote again." "This guy's being a dick and looks like he's Drunk While Black. Take him in on a 5150. Congratulations, you have no Miranda rights anymore."

I know that we're opposed on how much we want government in our lives, but surely you can see that this isn't the answer, right? I'm not saying that there aren't answers, but a registry isn't one.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think @Natebishop3 is the only one who has threatened to shoot another poster.

Size means nothing

I did no such thing!

All I did was say hi

 

[MARIS61]

We have a moral problem in this country!

Yes, the small percentage of "young" people you speak of, who know nothing of America and blather on about things far above their limited understanding.

They're stupid pawns being used by their stupid pawn parents who are purposely endangering their lives.

 

[MARIS61]

yeah....they're my last two free therapy sessions for you...that's the connection...another predictably rude post..sort of like all those other rude constipated snark filled gems you must find on your scrabble board

TRIGGERED!

 

[MARIS61]

The only gun nuts are the morons who think disarming Real Americans is a viable option.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I did no such thing!

All I did was say hi

Like Jack did

 

[MARIS61]

David Hogg is a disgusting and vile person, preying on children across America to further his pre-planned "instant" celebrity and promised CNN career.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Alabama lawmaker: We shouldn't arm teachers because most are women

 

[CupWizier]

Yes, the small percentage of "young" people you speak of, who know nothing of America and blather on about things far above their limited understanding.

They're stupid pawns being used by their stupid pawn parents who are purposely endangering their lives.

After reading many of your rants (especially this one), I would venture a guess that many of these kids are more well versed in things than you are. Age doesn't guarantee intelligence.

 

[CupWizier]

David Hogg is a disgusting and vile person, preying on children across America to further his pre-planned "instant" celebrity and promised CNN career.

fuck the edits. You act much worse than David Hogg

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Alabama lawmaker: We shouldn't arm teachers because most are women

This is best thing you could say if you wanted teachers to arm themselves.

Triggered!

 

[MARIS61]

After reading many of your rants (especially this one), I would venture a guess that many of these kids are more well versed in things than you are. Age doesn't guarantee intelligence.

Nor do public schools, apparently.

 

[CupWizier]

Nor do public schools, apparently.

and where were you "educated" (I use that term extremely loosely) at?

 

[BrianFromWA]

and where were you "educated" (I use that term extremely loosely) at?

Dateline, somewhere in Beautiful Central Oregon, 18xx

 

[SlyPokerDog]

and where were you "educated" (I use that term extremely loosely) at?

Donner Party Elementary! Maris shot and ate his first teacher. It's why he likes his teachers armed, legged, thighed, and breasted. He also likes them fried.

 

[dviss1]

Being a gun owner doesn't make someone a "GUN NUT". That's just stupid.

Stop projecting. We're actually talking about the nuts... No one called all gun owners nuts. Get your mind right.

 

[jonnyboy]

Stop projecting. We're actually talking about the nuts... No one called all gun owners nuts. Get your mind right.

Okay well "gun nuts" are an extremely small portion of society, small enough to not make a difference. Gun owners on the other hand are the force you are actually reckoning with. The "sport shooting" community isn't swaying shit, it's the millions of regular gun owners who clamor to keep their rights. When you bring up a small insignificant group it makes it seem like you are the one projecting that label at the rest of us who simply own guns and don't get boners from them.

 

[BrianFromWA]

To point out good wherever I see it, it seems as if President Obama did some good common-sense stuff on his way out of office. I'm trying to find backup data corroborating it, but one commentator I read said that 470,000 of the 500,000 "fugitives" reinstated in the NICS system were from MA, who was deliberately mis-interpreting the law to restrict rights to as many people as possible. But just another abuse of the system by gov't personnel.

On Wednesday, acting FBI deputy director David Bowdich testified during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing that former President Barack Obama's Department of Justice forced the FBI to delete over 500,000 fugitives, who had outstanding arrest warrants, from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).
"It's my understanding that under federal law fugitives cannot legally purchase or possess guns," Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) began. "We've heard from local law enforcement that the Justice Department has issued a memo that forced the FBI NICS background check database to drop more than 500,000 names of fugitives with outstanding arrest warrants because it was uncertain whether those fugitives had fled across state lines."
"Mr. Bowdich, can you describe why this determination was made by the Justice Department?" Feinstein asked.
“That was a decision that was made under the previous administration,” Bowdich replied. “It was the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel that reviewed the law and believed that it needed to be interpreted so that if someone was a fugitive in a state, there had to be indications that they had crossed state lines.”