Remind me what we got for Zach Randolph.

[MARIS61]

This is very simple:

We got one very bad headache every time we meet the Grizzlies.

fixed.

Worst trade in Blazers history.

 

[MARIS61]

Conveniently forgotten right now are the facts that, in July 2007, a) Pritchard thought K*be would be an ETO last summer, among other players who would be available...b) Darius Miles' contract was going to be voided, adding another $9M to the bounty we'd have, and c) that the cap would be higher (why wouldn't he? it had been going up steadily each year).

So instead of the "7M" false number being tossed around in here, trading Zach as part of that plan was to get around 26M in space (by letting RLEC expire, trading Zach for Francis, voiding Miles due to his retirement, lining Blake and Outlaw's contracts up for a 2009 team option). You can agree or disagree with the plan, obviously, but trying to twist this into "we traded Zach for 7M of Imaginary Cap Space" is, well, misinformed and misleading. If we came out of this year's FA period with Miller, Millsap and Turk there'd be different tunes being sung.

The Grizzlies look to be a far better team than ours starting as soon as next year and probably for the next decade. I'd trade everyone we got in that trade just to get Zach back, and let NY keep the $30 million we gave them to take him. We'd be a dominate team again instead of a crippled, poorly constructed hodge-podge of players who don't mesh and have little heart or work ethic. I fully expect another about-face and rebuild to start this summer, or next week, whichever comes first. New coach, new GM, new lineup, and eventually new city (Seattle).

Seriously, other than Brandon Roy, who that is left on this team is going to take us anywhere?

 

[mook]

The Grizzlies look to be a far better team than ours starting as soon as next year and probably for the next decade. I'd trade everyone we got in that trade just to get Zach back, and let NY keep the $30 million we gave them to take him. We'd be a dominate team again instead of a crippled, poorly constructed hodge-podge of players who don't mesh and have little heart or work ethic. I fully expect another about-face and rebuild to start this summer, or next week, whichever comes first. New coach, new GM, new lineup, and eventually new city (Seattle).

Seriously, other than Brandon Roy, who that is left on this team is going to take us anywhere?

lmao. You do realize this team won 50 games with Juwan Fucking Howard starting at center for a third of the season, right?

 

[The Sebastian Express]

fixed.

Worst trade in Blazers history.

We probably got a headache every time we played the Kings with Sergio, right? :'(

 

[oldmangrouch]

...and we haven't had a Blazer get so much as a parking ticket since the day he left town.

I'm sorry, but you don't actually *believe* that, do you? The only thing that has changed, is the way the Goryonion covers the team. The "JailBlazers" were mostly a myth, and the current "not so much as a parking ticket" story is almost certainly the same.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[santeesioux]

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[Denny Crane]

100% correct.

I will add that people are confusing thinking the Zach trade was bad with any criticism of Aldridge.

I thought--and think--that the Zach trade was bad. I am pleased as punch that Aldridge is a Blazer. The two things are unrelated.

Further unrelated is the team's potential elimination from the playoffs with the Zach trade. If this thread had started a month ago or six months ago or two years ago, I would have taken the same position as I do now. I feel Zach's emergence as a player supports my--and some NBA teams'--position that Zach had more value than Steve Francis's contract (which wasn't even expiring).

Rasheed Wallace was called a "cancer" by members of this community even when the Pistons were winning a title. Some people simply won't change their tune no matter how much evidence comes to light against their position.

Ed O.

This is my take on it.

I don't get this contract year business. He has a career PER of 19.6, his PER this season was 21.2, and his career best was 22.8 his last season with the Blazers (not a contract year).

 

[OddEnormous]

well, we should have gotten something for him.

Agreed. We should also trade Rudy for Kevin Durant.

KP will be sorry he didn't in 4 years.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I would have held on to him versus what we did.

 

[OddEnormous]

I would have held on to him versus what we did.

Oh, ok.

I thought you were saying it was a good trade.

Sorry Misunderstood.

 

[STOMP]

It depends. Not in terms of NBA rules, but if Allen's enforcing a budget through Vulcan, then it would. More money to Randolph means less for other players like Oden or Batum.

I was thinking Camby and Miller's presence are more relevant to Zach being currently on the books.

boy... Camby + Miller or Zach thats a tough one

STOMP

 

[Ed O]

We could have got Miller for the full MLE, I'd bet. He got a guaranteed 2 years, $14m from Portland. The team has an option for a third season at $7m.

The Blazers could have offered 4 years max MLE and given him more guaranteed money.

So I don't think it's even particularly helpful to think of Zach as eventually netting Miller when we probably could have had both.

Ed O.

 

[Nikolokolus]

We could have got Miller for the full MLE, I'd bet. He got a guaranteed 2 years, $14m from Portland. The team has an option for a third season at $7m.

The Blazers could have offered 4 years max MLE and given him more guaranteed money.

So I don't think it's even particularly helpful to think of Zach as eventually netting Miller when we probably could have had both.

Ed O.

Well put.

 

[BGrantFan]

We could have got Miller for the full MLE, I'd bet. He got a guaranteed 2 years, $14m from Portland. The team has an option for a third season at $7m.

The Blazers could have offered 4 years max MLE and given him more guaranteed money.

So I don't think it's even particularly helpful to think of Zach as eventually netting Miller when we probably could have had both.

Ed O.

The problem is, no one could possibly know any other variables that would be in place if Zach had stayed in Portland. Would Miller even be necessary? Would Zach have punched Roy? Would we have squeaked into the playoffs in '07-08, meaning we don't have Bayless and Batum (bought that pick; perhaps wouldn't with Zach's salary)? Speculating with any sort of certainty about an unknown quantity is fun, but I'm not sure what it proves in reality.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

We could have got Miller for the full MLE, I'd bet. He got a guaranteed 2 years, $14m from Portland. The team has an option for a third season at $7m.

The Blazers could have offered 4 years max MLE and given him more guaranteed money.

So I don't think it's even particularly helpful to think of Zach as eventually netting Miller when we probably could have had both.

Ed O.

But why would we want Andre for 4 years of potential decline when we're more flexible with a 2-year deal? I know this is tangental, but I like the flexibility of being able to dump him in two years if we don't his face or whatever.

 

[BGrantFan]

But why would we want Andre for 4 years of potential decline when we're more flexible with a 2-year deal? I know this is tangental, but I like the flexibility of being able to dump him in two years if we don't his face or whatever.

Plus, do we know that there weren't MLE offers on the table for Miller, but for 3 years?

 

[MARIS61]

Plus, do we know that there weren't MLE offers on the table for Miller, but for 3 years?

Do we even care? He's one year away from retirement, as is Camby, and then we have no PG at all and a PF who could never hold his own at either end of the court against Zach.