Reminder of why we don't want to lose our draft pick

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Great article. Somewhat swayed me on making the playoffs or not.

The article is right about the rookie scale contracts and we would be MUCH better off if we could land a stater through the draft rather than spend real money on that starter. I still think our best player we get this off season will come via trade, but if we can do that AND nail down a starter through the draft?....
 
This is pretty good when you see it all compiled like this:

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2010 is probably Neil's most egregious drafting mistake. Funny to see his blunder in 2011 omitted when he gave up what turned out to be the #1 pick (Kyrie) to get rid of Baron Davis' contract. But all that said, I do trust his judgement in drafts. Dude has an eye for talent. It's why we need to maximize this skill and get him another pick or two in this draft. We don't even have any second rounders this year (our 2015 and 2016 2nd round picks when to to CHI via CLE, for Allen Crabbe in 2013).
 
I know we all love CJ but I still think Gobert and/or Antetokounmpo are (a) more well-rounded and (b) a better fit with Lillard than CJ.
And let us not forget that, instead of Meyers we could have DRAYMOND GREEN.
So, arguably, mistakes added up: taking Meyers meant that we didn't take a center in CJ's draft when Gobert and Steven Adams were there.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I know we all love CJ but I still think Gobert and/or Antetokounmpo are (a) more well-rounded and (b) a better fit with Lillard than CJ.
And let us not forget that, instead of Meyers we could have DRAYMOND GREEN.
So, arguably, mistakes added up: taking Meyers meant that we didn't take a center in CJ's draft when Gobert and Steven Adams were there.
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I know im dicing this apart, but I just wantto be clear. You would rather have Steve Adams than CJ? In order to get Adams, we wouldnt have been able to get CJ.
And Id take CJ over Gobert... I think... but absolutely over Adams.
 
I'd almost argue the opposite of the column, and have seen similar comments from other nba people. Obviously, it goes without saying, it's always great to have very good talent on small salaries. Duh. But I'd argue the value of 1st round picks decreases as the cap increases. Wit a cap of 60, 65 million, it's imperative to have some cheap young talent aboard, to try to sustain long term success without going way over the tax. So the value of a rookie at 3 million is huge. But if the cap is at 85 million, sure, they're valuable, but now you have far more wiggle room. Now you can go and sign a vet at the current MLE for roughly the same cap hit.
 
RR7 said:
I'd almost argue the opposite of the column, and have seen similar comments from other nba people. Obviously, it goes without saying, it's always great to have very good talent on small salaries. Duh. But I'd argue the value of 1st round picks decreases as the cap increases. Wit a cap of 60, 65 million, it's imperative to have some cheap young talent aboard, to try to sustain long term success without going way over the tax. So the value of a rookie at 3 million is huge. But if the cap is at 85 million, sure, they're valuable, but now you have far more wiggle room. Now you can go and sign a vet at the current MLE for roughly the same cap hit.
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From what I got, that's the point of the article. It says the value of a 1st round pick INCREASES as the salary cap increases... at least until the rookie contract is renegotiated for the to get more, but currently the article reads to me as saying the value of the pick is increasing because of the fixed wage of a rookie, vs the cap increase and the cost of signing someone of similar skill set, but is beyond their rookie contract.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I know we all love CJ but I still think Gobert and/or Antetokounmpo are (a) more well-rounded and (b) a better fit with Lillard than CJ.
And let us not forget that, instead of Meyers we could have DRAYMOND GREEN.
So, arguably, mistakes added up: taking Meyers meant that we didn't take a center in CJ's draft when Gobert and Steven Adams were there.
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I can see the point about Gobert and Antetokounmpo (D69 had them both in his Top-7 of his Pre-Draft rankings that year) but take it easy on Draymond Green. He was the #35 pick and taken in the 2nd round. EVERY GM missed on him at least once.

It just seems that in a year where almost every team has cap space, the money Portland has is no longer an advantage and other larger markets with more playoff ready teams would seem more attractive. Add to that the lack of big time FA's coming here and having them under control of a Rookie Contract seems an even bigger deal. If you can get a starter/star in this Draft ESPECIALLY as the West is in decline, you would set yourself up to be a West power for years to come. What will the landscape look like in a couple years when Nowitzki, Duncan, Ginobili are all retired, Durant may move on from OKC, Dwight is gone from Houston and Memphis is all over 33 years old?

That seems like a GREAT opportunity to really go on a run and it only takes the next 4 months to get there.
 
^^^ Precisely! Missing out on a lotto pick this year would be a real bummer and put a fairly low ceiling on what this team can do, while getting a high pick could set us up for a real run in a few years.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Dammit!!! Okay. you guys and this article are really starting to sway me...and Im NOT happy about it!!!!
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Someone needs a hug. A hug from Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Dragan Bender or Jaylen Brown would make you feel much better. :smiley-cuddle: I hate losing but if it is only for a couple more months and gives us a rookie contract with a potential star going forward for the next 5+ years with Dame/CJ, I'm all on board with that.....especially when a few more wins would have done nothing but made our pick worse or taken it away altogether.

BlazerWookee said:
Fuck the draft pick.
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If the Blazers were to Draft Jessica Alba, I'm on board. :hello:
 
TBpup said:
Someone needs a hug. A hug from Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Dragan Bender or Jaylen Brown would make you feel much better. :smiley-cuddle: I hate losing but if it is only for a couple more months and gives us a rookie contract with a potential star going forward for the next 5+ years with Dame/CJ, I'm all on board with that.....especially when a few more wins would have done nothing but made our pick worse or taken it away altogether.

If the Blazers were to Draft Jessica Alba, I'm on board. :hello:
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Right? People think that rooting for losing AT ALL is bad.... this is the ONLY year I'll (honestly) be okay with losses...
 
RR7 said:
I'd almost argue the opposite of the column, and have seen similar comments from other nba people. Obviously, it goes without saying, it's always great to have very good talent on small salaries. Duh. But I'd argue the value of 1st round picks decreases as the cap increases. Wit a cap of 60, 65 million, it's imperative to have some cheap young talent aboard, to try to sustain long term success without going way over the tax. So the value of a rookie at 3 million is huge. But if the cap is at 85 million, sure, they're valuable, but now you have far more wiggle room. Now you can go and sign a vet at the current MLE for roughly the same cap hit.
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The reason rookie contract are so valuable with the cap increase is because the are locked in in the CBA independently from the cap, until 2021. There won't be any added wiggle room, any guy who could normally be signed for 10mil/y is going to have his agent pushing for 14 or 15mil this offseason, while Ben Simmons' (1st pick) rookie scale number is only 150k more than what KAT got as the 1st pick in the last draft. Basically that cheap, young, highly protected talent is going to be cheaper than it's ever been under the latest CBA.
 
Strenuus said:
Right? People think that rooting for losing AT ALL is bad.... this is the ONLY year I'll (honestly) be okay with losses...
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And it's not like any of us are aggressively rooting for losing. However, if we lose, there is a definite silver lining. I think the Blazers can honestly come by a lot of losses by spending more time actually developing players for down the road. Get Vonleh 6-8 shots a game. Throw Meyers in the post 4-5 times a game...same for Plumlee. Run plays for Aminu/Harkless to come off a screen and shoot a jumper off a 1 -2 power dribble pull up. Have Allan Crabbe handle the ball a bit more so he can be more of a play-maker than he is this year or Wes was last year.

All of those things would have significant growing pains and likely lead to losses but you would have SO MUCH more of a better idea of what you actually had this summer and those players would get much more real time game experience that would make them better in the long run.

Add a top Draft pick to Dame/CJ and a young squad that really spent several months of game time in development and you could really have something.
 
I would love to know what KingAlfredo thinks of this!!!!!

Come on King, inquiring minds want to know!
 
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