Repealing Obamacare (2 Viewers)

[magnifier661]

I'm not a betting man nor will I ever be. And the website is working so what the fuck you're talking about. Over 20 million people have signed up using it. It had some glitches in the beginning but it works perfectly now. Now you sound like even more of an idiot with your amazing intellect... We didn't even spend billions on it you don't know what you're talking about. You too busy sucking the teat of Kelly Anne Conway

How long it took to start working. I remember it took years before it worked! Lmao

 

[Jade Falcon]

Dude all you do is say people must be racist when they don't like Obama or even disagree with you. It happens a lot. You should search all your posts. You use it like I use cream in my coffee

This. Dviss, I just eventually avoided your threads because it was something you did constantly.

I'll give you an example....

You know this question that you asked someone on here "why don't you ever talk about white on white crime?"

Now...I actually considered asking you "well, why don't you ever address black on black crime?"

The reason I didn't ask you that....was because you have a history of yelling about racism to people who even dare ask you about it.

I admire your passion. Hell, I can see myself in much of it; albeit with different views, of course. Nobody loves a good f-bomb as much as I do.

But it really turns a lot of people off on here when you get so offended by anything that's even remotely to do with race.

Equality does not mean that you can ask questions about it, and we can't. That's not how it works.

 

[magnifier661]

And don't post stupid things. We don't have any tariffs on Chinese Goods. The Chinese don't have any tariffs on our Goods. With your amazing intellect, you don't seem to know what a trade war is.

Big FAIL. China has huge tariffs on US goods. I export products in China that has a 45% tariff. Don't talk out of your ass to someone that trades overseas. SAD

 

[magnifier661]

Just a simple google search has hundreds of articles on China and tariffs of US goods. @dviss must be smoking the good shit this morning

http://www.forbes.com/sites/baizhuc...is-wall-the-chinese-tariff-wall/#5043f93256ef

 

[Denny Crane]

Black on black crime is of great concern to black Americans. People, regardless of color, do want the same things for the most part.

Prosperity, safety good neighborhoods, good schools, equal treatment under the law.

The only thing that black on black crime says is there are a lot of unhappy people, denied prosperity, good neighborhoods, etc.

It's not something that a black person is going to discuss if the people involved can't take it seriously.

 

[dviss1]

How long it took to start working. I remember it took years before it worked! Lmao

It takes a while to undo idiocy.... you gotta remember we were on bushes budget until 2009.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Black on black crime is of great concern to black Americans. People, regardless of color, do want the same things for the most part.

Prosperity, safety good neighborhoods, good schools, equal treatment under the law.

The only thing that black on black crime says is there are a lot of unhappy people, denied prosperity, good neighborhoods, etc.

It's not something that a black person is going to discuss if the people involved can't take it seriously.

And what do you think drives the majority of white crime?

The majority of crime is a direct result of poor education, lack of jobs, and drug addiction. Race ultimately has little to do with it.

And read that last part very carefully, and don't get emotional by it.

 

[dviss1]

I'm done with this side of the Forum. People with privilege will never understand and try to call me racist for showing their racist Tendencies. Fuck you all.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I'm done with this side of the Forum. People with privilege will never understand and try to call me racist for showing their racist Tendencies. Fuck you all.

Sigh.

I rest my case.

 

[magnifier661]

It takes a while to undo idiocy.... you gotta remember we were on bushes budget until 2009.

The bush administration had nothing to do with billions spent on a website (made by Canadian web designers) that didn't work for two years. The money was spent and the current economy didn't stall it

 

[magnifier661]

I'm done with this side of the Forum. People with privilege will never understand and try to call me racist for showing their racist Tendencies. Fuck you all.

SAD

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Nazism is socialism. National Socialism.

Just when I think you can't be any stupider... you go and surprise me! I guess this is laying the groundwork for getting rid of democracy because it's obviously biased to the Democratic Party.

(Oh, and Libertarians are all LIBerals - so consider yourself outed.)

 

[dviss1]

This will be my last post in the OT forum

The cheeto faced president is about to make it so that my ex-wife who was born with Wilson's disease loses her health care. He's trying to make it so that my son who was born with asthma is going to lose his health care. Even though Obamacare has slowed the rate of Health Care inflation, these insurance companies are still finding loopholes and jacking up rates. They don't have a replacement plan. They haven't had one for 6 years. They can't find a replacement plan because their plan was Obamacare since 92... Obamacare was Bob Dole's response to Hillary care. It Was Written line for line mandate in all by the Heritage Foundation. Your beloved right-wing think-tank. Trump doesn't give a fuck if we die. That's the truth. Those of you who voted for that don't give a shit either. When he cuts your grandmother's Medicare maybe then you'll give a shit.

 

[magnifier661]

Just when I think you can't be any stupider... you go and surprise me! I guess this is laying the groundwork for getting rid of democracy because it's obviously biased to the Democratic Party.

This applies to you

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Me and barfo work the same job, shoulder to shoulder. I work my ass off and kick ass and get paid proportionally better for it.

Socialism comes in and the company is owned by the state. We both get paid the same, no matter how hard I work. So I stop working entirely, as much as that is possible, and let barfo carry me.

Proof, as if we needed it, that Denny has never worked outside of his home. I must say when I worked at Booker Cash and Carry (the English equivalent of Sam's Club) on an industrial estate outside of Exeter that it was not my experience that me stacking shelves while a bunch of people hid round the back smoking (a) affected our pay in any way, and (b) resulted from Booker being a state-run-socialist institution.

Conversely, in your beloved Post Office, amazingly enough there are different positions paid at different rates! Could it be that you view the world in a cartoonishly oversimplified fashion? Surely not!

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

You'd think it would be a little bit uncomfortable claiming to be Catholic when the ACTUAL FUCKING POPE is against everything you stand for (well, except the abortion stuff, I guess).

I was raised Catholic. I haven't practiced the "brand" in over 40 years. I have tried to take the Christian aspects (that are supposed to be the basis of all western religions) and let them guide me. It's supposed to be about looking out for each other, especially those who can't look out for themselves. Like everyone else, I stumble and fall every day. But at least I try. I'm all for major reform within the Catholic faith and think the current pope is at least heading in a better direction. But I don't really have a dog in that fight anymore. That said, I believe organized religion in most if not all cases is a scam aimed at manipulating those who can't think for themselves. And as far as "claiming" to be Catholic, I was born one and I can no more shed that label than you can shed the Englishman label regardless of how long you have lived elsewhere and despite what legal citizenship you hold. It's an identity thing. And yeah, I am anti abortion. But, in line with my Catholic upbringing, we all have a free will and a conscience. We all have choices and (I believe anyway) that we will be judged on those choices. So if someone wants to have an abortion, that's on them. I have no God given right or moral authority to prevent that. Maybe if Planned Parenthood wasn't under such an attack and/or conservatives would get behind birth control education and resources in a serious way the abortion isssue would slowly fade away. But good luck with that....

 

[MarAzul]

you got me thinking that you have racist tendencies.

Wow! Imagine that!

 

[MarAzul]

cheeto faced president

There is that dirtbag talk again.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Top comment of this should have something for everyone:

For me the issue with the ACA was that it was medical insurance for all, not affordable healthcare for all. I honestly had my rates significantly increased and my coverage decrease. I am all for replacing it with something that provides healthcare without the overhead of billion dollar insurance industries.

The issue at large is not healthcare, it's insurance. If we are going to socialize medical care in America, then medical insurance and the lawsuits around medical care all have to be jettisoned. Allowing businesses to write the ACA laws was a mistake, they wrote them to ensure business and profits not to provide better care. The law is worse for people and doctors but better for businesses.

Let's fix it and get medical care for all, and be done with corrupted billion dollar industries siphoning money out of healthcare like parasites.

Wow, thoughtful and smart. A model for us, maybe?

 

[riverman]

don't base my amazing intellect on my wallet.

You're telling me you don't have a leather brain mags? I didn't think you did either...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Wouldn't THIS be hilarious:

Several California leaders are even pushing Trump to replace Obamacare with "Medicare for All," a.k.a. single-payer health care. "The one I am counting on the most [to push nationalized health care] is Trump," RoseAnn DeMoro, the head of the Oakland-based National Nurses United union, told Politico,citing Trump's "international perspective" as a businessman and the fact that his wife comes from Slovenia, which has a single-payer system. Another major backer of "Medicare for All" is California Lt. Governor Gavin Newsom, who as mayor of San Francisco in 2007 launched Healthy San Francisco, a health care plan available to all city residents regardless of their immigration status, employment, or preexisting conditions.

That would fucking blow my mind. But it would blow Paul Ryan's mind a hell of a lot more.

 

[Denny Crane]

And what do you think drives the majority of white crime?

The majority of crime is a direct result of poor education, lack of jobs, and drug addiction. Race ultimately has little to do with it.

And read that last part very carefully, and don't get emotional by it.

Race (and particularly discrimination) obviously has a lot to do with it, or the numbers would be the same (per 10,000 people, whatever) regardless of race.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wouldn't THIS be hilarious:



That would fucking blow my mind. But it would blow Paul Ryan's mind a hell of a lot more.

And you'd still be pasting tweets complaining, right?

 

[Jade Falcon]

Race (and particularly discrimination) obviously has a lot to do with it, or the numbers would be the same (per 10,000 people, whatever) regardless of race.

More black people are in poverty, with lower education rates and higher numbers addicted to illegal substances.

That is the reason for their higher crime numbers. Not the color of their skin.

 

[Denny Crane]

More black people are in poverty, with lower education rates and higher numbers addicted to illegal substances.

That is the reason for their higher crime numbers. Not the color of their skin.

The color of their skin is the reason for the discrimination.

The Democrats who ran chicago zoned black neighborhoods for toxic waste dumps, and just this week, the cops were cited for taking young black men to gang neighborhoods, tipping off the gangs, and having the gangs do what they would like to do in the first place.

Chicago isn't an isolated situation. Ferguson, Baltimore, NYC, LA, and so on.

 

[Jade Falcon]

The color of their skin is the reason for the discrimination.

The Democrats who ran chicago zoned black neighborhoods for toxic waste dumps, and just this week, the cops were cited for taking young black men to gang neighborhoods, tipping off the gangs, and having the gangs do what they would like to do in the first place.

Chicago isn't an isolated situation. Ferguson, Baltimore, NYC, LA, and so on.

I'm not talking about discrimination. I'm talking about the higher crime numbers among African American communities.

But I agree with the rest of your post. And it's no coincidence that all of those cities have been run by Democrats for decades.

 

[MarAzul]

the cops were cited for taking young black men to gang neighborhoods

Link?

 

[Denny Crane]

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/doj-chicago-police_us_5876f814e4b03c8a02d57615

When individuals do not talk, officers will drop them off in dangerous areas or gang territories. We reviewed a publicly available video that appears to capture one instance of an officer displaying a youth in police custody to a group of individuals gathered in a rival gang territory. The video shows CPD officers standing around a marked CPD vehicle with the back doors wide open and a young male detained in the rear. Officers permit a crowd of male youths to surround the car and shout at the adolescent. The crowd can be seen flashing hand gestures that look like gang signs and threatening the cowering teenager in the backseat. One of the males in the crowd appears to have freely recorded the interactions all while CPD officers stood beside the open vehicle doors. The video does not show any legitimate law enforcement purpose in allowing the youth to be threatened.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not talking about discrimination. I'm talking about the higher crime numbers among African American communities.

But I agree with the rest of your post. And it's no coincidence that all of those cities have been run by Democrats for decades.

Discrimination is the source of most of the problems in the inner cities. When blacks are allowed to form enterprise, they excel like anyone else. When white people, with the help of the cops, burn down their businesses and neighborhoods, they figure "what's the point anymore?"

Read this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa#The_Black_Wall_Street

 

[Jade Falcon]

Discrimination is the source of most of the problems in the inner cities. When blacks are allowed to form enterprise, they excel like anyone else. When white people, with the help of the cops, burn down their businesses and neighborhoods, they figure "what's the point anymore?"

Read this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood,_Tulsa#The_Black_Wall_Street

What the fuck?

Yeah, here's a clue: we're not living in 1921 or under Jim Crow anymore. "When white people burn down their businesses...." what a bunch of crap. The last time I saw a riot in the hood, those weren't white people burning and looting businesses.

Look, I'm all for giving the African American community better education and better jobs so that they can move out of the hood and get a better life. And I agree that many of them don't have it easy in this country.

But let's also hold them accountable for criminal activity with which they are responsible for. It's a sad fact that many are responsible for their own demise. Discrimination didn't put a gun in Tyrone's hand so that he could go shoot an innocent person in South Side Chicago. And the white man didn't put him in a gang.

I'm all for helping out the AA community, and ending poverty and gang violence. But let's be a little objective about it.

That being said....no white person has any business trying to help the black community. It rarely ever works. The change needs to come from within, and from those who can relate to them. And that's not any white person, no matter how similar they may be.