Repealing Obamacare

[MarAzul]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/doj-chicago-police_us_5876f814e4b03c8a02d57615

When individuals do not talk, officers will drop them off in dangerous areas or gang territories. We reviewed a publicly available video that appears to capture one instance of an officer displaying a youth in police custody to a group of individuals gathered in a rival gang territory. The video shows CPD officers standing around a marked CPD vehicle with the back doors wide open and a young male detained in the rear. Officers permit a crowd of male youths to surround the car and shout at the adolescent. The crowd can be seen flashing hand gestures that look like gang signs and threatening the cowering teenager in the backseat. One of the males in the crowd appears to have freely recorded the interactions all while CPD officers stood beside the open vehicle doors. The video does not show any legitimate law enforcement purpose in allowing the youth to be threatened.

Oh yeah, the latest from the DOJ. Sick as hell, but, Wow! Why did it take them eight years to do nothing but file a report?
I really hope Jeff Sessions sends in the team to really get to the bottom of this pit. I had hoped Obama would years ago now.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So every country that has socialized medicine is a Nazi country.

Makes sense. Really it does.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Oh yeah, the latest from the DOJ. Sick as hell, but, Wow! Why did it take them eight years to do nothing but file a report?
I really hope Jeff Sessions sends in the team to really get to the bottom of this pit. I had hoped Obama would years ago now.

I agree. Sessions should be all over this shit. I will be following his investigations into police corruption VERY closely. I am a very strong supporter of Law Enforcement.

The only reason I can see a cop doing something like that is as a scare tactic to dissuade a young man from continuing gang life.

But in a place like Chicago, that can get that kid killed. Definitely not appropriate for that place, and perhaps a bit too "old school" for the current times.

 

[MarAzul]

So every country that has socialized medicine is a Nazi country.

Makes sense. Really it does.

No, just socialist. Nazi were socialist to begin with and then... well you know the story. Since then it is just a misused word commonly use by the left as shock & awe deflector.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, just socialist. Nazi were socialist to begin with and then... well you know the story. Since then it is just a misused word commonly use by the left as shock awe deflector.

I see both sides using the Nazi term.

And the vast majority of countries with socialized medicine are democracies.

Just like us having socialized primary education, police, fire, libraries, etc. doesn't mean that we're a socialist nation.

But you know that. At least at one time you did.

 

[blue32]

This. Dviss, I just eventually avoided your threads because it was something you did constantly.

I'll give you an example....

You know this question that you asked someone on here "why don't you ever talk about white on white crime?"

Now...I actually considered asking you "well, why don't you ever address black on black crime?"

The reason I didn't ask you that....was because you have a history of yelling about racism to people who even dare ask you about it.

I admire your passion. Hell, I can see myself in much of it; albeit with different views, of course. Nobody loves a good f-bomb as much as I do.

But it really turns a lot of people off on here when you get so offended by anything that's even remotely to do with race.

Equality does not mean that you can ask questions about it, and we can't. That's not how it works.

Well said.

I'm done with this side of the Forum. People with privilege will never understand and try to call me racist for showing their racist Tendencies. Fuck you all.

And there it is..... :-\

 

[Jade Falcon]

Well said.



And there it is..... :-\

Yep.

Eventually, I just started avoiding threads that he starts or posts in; depending on the subject matter.

 

[MarAzul]

I see both sides using the Nazi term.

And the vast majority of countries with socialized medicine are democracies.

Just like us having socialized primary education, police, fire, libraries, etc. doesn't mean that we're a socialist nation.

But you know that. At least at one time you did.

No sir. You never saw me conflate socialized medicine with police, fire and the like. Then you will always see me have a very different view on what is appropriate for the Cities, the State, and the Federal government. But I don't feel like expounding on it, except none of the above should evoke, Nazi.

 

[Denny Crane]

What the fuck?

Yeah, here's a clue: we're not living in 1921 or under Jim Crow anymore. "When white people burn down their businesses...." what a bunch of crap. The last time I saw a riot in the hood, those weren't white people burning and looting businesses.

Look, I'm all for giving the African American community better education and better jobs so that they can move out of the hood and get a better life. And I agree that many of them don't have it easy in this country.

But let's also hold them accountable for criminal activity with which they are responsible for. It's a sad fact that many are responsible for their own demise. Discrimination didn't put a gun in Tyrone's hand so that he could go shoot an innocent person in South Side Chicago. And the white man didn't put him in a gang.

I'm all for helping out the AA community, and ending poverty and gang violence. But let's be a little objective about it.

That being said....no white person has any business trying to help the black community. It rarely ever works. The change needs to come from within, and from those who can relate to them. And that's not any white person, no matter how similar they may be.

Close enough to 1921 and Jim Crow.

We are holding them accountable for criminal activity. More than we are people of other skin color, and for more petty reasons.

EDIT: the Chicago PD revelations are pretty good evidence of what goes on, how it's government fucking with good people and making the situation much worse.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh yeah, the latest from the DOJ. Sick as hell, but, Wow! Why did it take them eight years to do nothing but file a report?
I really hope Jeff Sessions sends in the team to really get to the bottom of this pit. I had hoped Obama would years ago now.

The Democrat mayor buried any of these kinds of stories because it would hurt his reelection.

 

[Denny Crane]

So every country that has socialized medicine is a Nazi country.

Makes sense. Really it does.

The oceans are dead.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Dude all you do is say people must be racist when they don't like Obama or even disagree with you. It happens a lot. You should search all your posts. You use it like I use cream in my coffee

Good thing he doesn't use it like me and cream in my coffee. I really just put coffee in my cream.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Also, while never taking me into consideration, I defeat every single stereotype that any of you can apply to us... Except maybe talking during the movies stand having a big dick... But you can apply none of that shit to me.

Are you saying you talk during movies at the theater? If so you're dead to me. I almost stopped watching Seinfeld because they did it.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Close enough to 1921 and Jim Crow.

We are holding them accountable for criminal activity. More than we are people of other skin color, and for more petty reasons.

EDIT: the Chicago PD revelations are pretty good evidence of what goes on, how it's government fucking with good people and making the situation much worse.

I respectfully disagree. I've seen more white people being arrested on the news than I have black people.

Now...is that different in Portland as opposed to, say, Chicago? Most likely yes. There's probably more black people arrested in Chicago than Portland. In fact, I'm certain of it.

But that doesn't mean that it's a country-wide issue. These are issues that happen in isolated cases, that get blown completely out of proportion, and usually for reasons that have nothing to do with racism or discrimination.

 

[MarAzul]

The oceans are dead.

I like your responses to Sly better than mine. Just closer to the mark.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Hey, sounds promising! Can't wait to see either how (a) this turns out to be a big privatization scheme, or (b) how, if it isn't, Denny spins it as libertarian. Hoping Paul Ryan is shitting himself right now:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Of course, the obvious answer is that it's really shitty insurance. Y'know, like "jobs for everybody!"... as a greeter at Wal-Mart, getting paid less than unemployment.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Denny Crane]

I respectfully disagree. I've seen more white people being arrested on the news than I have black people.

Now...is that different in Portland as opposed to, say, Chicago? Most likely yes. There's probably more black people arrested in Chicago than Portland. In fact, I'm certain of it.

But that doesn't mean that it's a country-wide issue. These are issues that happen in isolated cases, that get blown completely out of proportion, and usually for reasons that have nothing to do with racism or discrimination.

The prisons are overfilled, and have far more black prisoners than is fair.

If the government says crack cocaine is a lifetime offense, but cocaine is a 1 year sentence, it is because crack was more popular among blacks. That's how "criminal" works.

There are more white people than black. A lower % of whites arrested may be more as a quantity, but doesn't speak to fairness.

For example, they could jail all 20M blacks and 25M whites and you can't say it's fair. 100% vs 10%.

 

[MarAzul]

The prisons are overfilled, and have far more black prisoners than is fair.

If the government says crack cocaine is a lifetime offense, but cocaine is a 1 year sentence, it is because crack was more popular among blacks. That's how "criminal" works.

Therer are more white people than black. A lower % of whites arrested may be more as a quantity, but doesn't speak to fairness.

For example, they could jail all 20M blacks and 25M whites and you can't say it's fair. 100% vs 10%.

I am not sure I am following you Denny. Are you saying the police should get the latest demographic spread and consult it before making an arrest?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If Trump really is advocating for single-payer, British NHS-style health coverage (which, if he is, why are we even calling it "insurance", but anyway) then that would be AMAZING. It makes perfect sense for him, because he can turn around and say "Obama's signature achievement was this half-assed Frankenstein's monster bill, and I get something WAY better!" But it would ignite Republican CIVIL WAR. It would be AWESOME.

But more likely, this is just his usual bullshit and will amount to nothing. Or I'm right, and it's the kind of shitty coverage that has about a bazillion dollar deductible.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hey, sounds promising! Can't wait to see either how (a) this turns out to be a big privatization scheme, or (b) how, if it isn't, Denny spins it as libertarian. Hoping Paul Ryan is shitting himself right now:

I'm not going to comment on something we haven't seen yet. I don't expect much that government does will be satisfactory to me.

Hoping if it is exactly what you want, you'll continue your stream of idiots tweeting how bad it is.

 

[Denny Crane]

I am not sure I am following you Denny. Are you saying the police should get the latest demographic spread and consult it before making an arrest?

They should treat all people with the same respect and dignity. They're here to serve, not to harm.

 

[MarAzul]

They should treat all people with the same respect and dignity. They're here to serve, not to harm.

Good on you sir, can't disagree with that at all. Perhaps when you have time you can clarify the matter I asked about.

 

[MarAzul]

why are we even calling it "insurance

That is an astute question. I don't think we have had true commercially Health insurance available to purchase since Obama care became the law.

 

[Denny Crane]

Trump keeping another promise. And not single payer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.d8c3c9c5a017

For conservative Republicans dubious about his pledge to ensure coverage for millions, Trump pointed to several interviews he gave during the campaign in which he promised to “not have people dying on the street.”

“It’s not going to be their plan,” he said of people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he said Saturday.

 

[barfo]

Trump keeping another promise. And not single payer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.d8c3c9c5a017

For conservative Republicans dubious about his pledge to ensure coverage for millions, Trump pointed to several interviews he gave during the campaign in which he promised to “not have people dying on the street.”

“It’s not going to be their plan,” he said of people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he said Saturday.

How does making another vague statement amount to keeping a promise?

Unless of course the promise was to make vague statements.

Let me know when he (or the Republicans) actually have a proposal.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trump pointed to several interviews he gave during the campaign in which he promised to “not have people dying on the street.”

Sweet, instead of Death Panels we'll have Death Panel Vans!

 

[Denny Crane]

How does making another vague statement amount to keeping a promise?

Unless of course the promise was to make vague statements.

Let me know when he (or the Republicans) actually have a proposal.

barfo

He did say he wouldn't have people dying in the streets and everyone would have care.

Or there's whatever nonsense rastapapalous is quoting.

And then there's WaPost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...3375f271c9c_story.html?utm_term=.5924305c9463

Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody’ in Obamacare replacement plan

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

...

Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama’s health-care law is all but finished.

“It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon,” Trump said. He noted that he is waiting for his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), to be confirmed. That decision rests with the Senate Finance Committee, which hasn’t scheduled a hearing.

Trump’s declaration that his replacement plan is ready comes after many Republicans — moderates and conservatives — expressed anxiety last week about the party’s lack of a formal proposal as they held votes on repealing the law. Once his plan is made public, Trump said, he is confident that it could get enough votes to pass in both chambers. He declined to discuss how he would court wary Democrats.

 

[Denny Crane]

Buh bye ObamaCare.

Legacy? What legacy?