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He did say he wouldn't have people dying in the streets and everyone would have care.

Yes, he said that. That's not a plan, and that's not keeping a promise. That's maybe a goal or a preference or something.

Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama’s health-care law is all but finished.

Well... ok. Another secret plan. I will patiently wait for details.

barfo
 
Only posting because I can't inbox you. You don't like Mystery Science Theater 3000?


I didn't know I couldn't get PMs from everyone...fixed. Now Rasta can sext me in private, someone tell him.

As to that show, I remember liking it but in real movie theaters I even get mad at my wife for talking. Shut up!

Luckily we don't go to the theater anymore and I can rewind if we start talking.
 
It's super hard for me to stay out of this section of the Forum (guess I'm a glutton for punishment) so I'm just going to put a few of you on ignore...
 
Yes, he said that. That's not a plan, and that's not keeping a promise. That's maybe a goal or a preference or something.



Well... ok. Another secret plan. I will patiently wait for details.

barfo

Sure it's keeping a promise.

Let's hope it's not a repeat of ObamaCare. You know, where Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi were held hostage by Democrats to get their votes.
 
They don't give a shit Denny. I'm sure some people in here would be down to do it again.

Nah, I think it's ignorance on their part. Doesn't happen in their neighborhood, it happens to THOSE people over there.
 
It's super hard for me to stay out of this section of the Forum (guess I'm a glutton for punishment) so I'm just going to put a few of you on ignore...
Don't you dare.

A. Don't leave.
B. Know thine enemy

You know I feel like choke slamming some of these guys when I read their posts don't you?

I'm worried about the future of this country and ignoring each other on a small level can lead to larger issues.

You know we don't need Trump or Obama to make this country better, we need dialogue and to work together.
 
Don't you dare.

A. Don't leave.
B. Know thine enemy

You know I feel like choke slamming some of these guys when I read their posts don't you?

I'm worried about the future of this country and ignoring each other on a small level can lead to larger issues.

You know we don't need Trump or Obama to make this country better, we need dialogue and to work together.

It's hard to debate cognitive dissonance. I find it excruciating. To be called a racist and a race-baiter when you simply call out racism is very frustrating. Especially from those who never even experienced racism or have it affect them adversely. I honestly can get by without hearing MarAzul's commentary. These are the same MFs that voted for an absolute racist... The irony....
 
The G.O.P.’s Health Care Death Spiral
Last week, President-elect Donald J. Trump called Obamacare “a complete and total disaster,” and pushed for a swift repeal of the Affordable Care Act and a replacement within weeks. But at the moment, there is no workable replacement. So what happens to the individual insurance market — whose problems did not start with the Affordable Care Act and will not be easily solved — when it is destabilized so dramatically?

From my point of view as a former health insurance company chief executive, “total disaster” would also describe any Republican repeal-and-delay plan. Although my former colleagues in the insurance industry are too cowed by the president-elect to say so, Republican insistence on repeal without having a meaningful replacement at the same time will drive most insurers out of the individual market and leave the 10 percent of Americans now covered by some aspect of the A.C.A. without coverage — especially if Medicaid expansion is rolled back as well.

The proportion of uninsured Americans, which has dropped to less than 9 percent, the lowest on record, will at least double. By April, when filings from insurance company plans and premiums for 2018 are due, there will be a sizable exit — of insurers running away from the greatly increased and unpredictable risk and of individuals not able to afford insurance without the subsidies.
 
The G.O.P.’s Health Care Death Spiral
Last week, President-elect Donald J. Trump called Obamacare “a complete and total disaster,” and pushed for a swift repeal of the Affordable Care Act and a replacement within weeks. But at the moment, there is no workable replacement. So what happens to the individual insurance market — whose problems did not start with the Affordable Care Act and will not be easily solved — when it is destabilized so dramatically?

From my point of view as a former health insurance company chief executive, “total disaster” would also describe any Republican repeal-and-delay plan. Although my former colleagues in the insurance industry are too cowed by the president-elect to say so, Republican insistence on repeal without having a meaningful replacement at the same time will drive most insurers out of the individual market and leave the 10 percent of Americans now covered by some aspect of the A.C.A. without coverage — especially if Medicaid expansion is rolled back as well.

The proportion of uninsured Americans, which has dropped to less than 9 percent, the lowest on record, will at least double. By April, when filings from insurance company plans and premiums for 2018 are due, there will be a sizable exit — of insurers running away from the greatly increased and unpredictable risk and of individuals not able to afford insurance without the subsidies.

As much as it pains me to go to CNN.
Here, so you believe it.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/politics/rand-paul-obamacare-replacement/

"it's in the works"
 
When was the last time a major policy initiative proposed by Rand Paul became law?

barfo

I guess you missed the point. Democrats are screaming there is no plan, and people are going to die and people are going to be left with nothing and people will turn to booze and people will need to gamble their life savings to get healthcare and scientology will come kill them, bla bla bla...

The point is, they are working on a replacement plan. And Trump has stated it will be repealed and replaced in the same few days or weeks.
 
I guess you missed the point. Democrats are screaming there is no plan, and people are going to die and people are going to be left with nothing and people will turn to booze and people will need to gamble their life savings to get healthcare and scientology will come kill them, bla bla bla...

The point is, they are working on a replacement plan. And Trump has stated it will be repealed and replaced in the same few days or weeks.

No, you missed the point. Rand Paul having a plan is the same thing as me having a plan. Utterly meaningless, because no one is going to pay attention to it.

barfo
 
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Oh my. Fear over a bill that was vetoed and not overridden. In February of 2016.

We have nothing to offer but fear itself!
 
No, you missed the point. Rand Paul having a plan is the same thing as me having a plan. Utterly meaningless, because no one is going to pay attention to it.

barfo

Thank you for your opinion. Thankfully you are not a Senator.
 
Thank you for your opinion. Thankfully you are not a Senator.

Yes, thankfully I am not.

But if you think that a senator having a proposal solves the problem, or that the other senators are going to sign onto Rand Paul's proposal, you are mistaken.

barfo
 
But another reason that Trump’s statements about repeal and replace have not shaken up the strategy is that Trump’s team has, at least since the new year, mostly been cooperating with House and Senate leaders in advancing the dual-reconciliation approach and looking for ways to improve it. On health care, Trump’s policy team (which includes some conservative health-care experts, lawyers, and former officials) has cut a very different figure than Trump himself. They have been careful, steeped in the details, and engaged with key players both in Congress and in the health sector.

That engagement so far seems largely to have focused on developing a set of executive and regulatory actions that could help stabilize the individual-insurance market during any transition period. Conservative health experts did an enormous amount of detailed work on this front well before Trump was elected (or even nominated), with an eye to a possible Republican president, and Trump’s team has built on that work. With regard to legislative strategy, meanwhile, they have not resisted the dual-reconciliation approach but have encouraged congressional Republicans to include some elements of a replacement in an early reconciliation bill along with a partial repeal, rather than leaving it all for later.
 

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