REPORT: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

[B-Roy]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705316264/Jazz-finances-not-quite-so-bleak.html

Jazz are receiving $10 million, they will match.

 

[MikeDC]

Who would they trade Boozer to? If the Thunder don't want him, they'd be stuck trading him to the team with the most capspace (Portland). I suppose they could try and trade him for an injured player whose contract is covered by insurance, but they're still going to be stuck taking back a lot of salary.

Also, if they want Millsap to be their future PF (as they should), they will have a problem with minutes until February.

There are other teams that could make a deal work as well.

Sacramento is about $6M under the cap, so they could absorb Boozer by sending a much cheaper player or two back. Actually that's sort of similar to how the Kings too a shot on Webber all those years ago.

The Mavs have the mostly NG contract of Greg Buckner. They could combine that with other filler, offer it for Boozer, and give the Jazz $5-6M in immediate savings too.

Also, though the Grizz don't have any obvious need of Boozer, they could facilitate a deal to a third team. EG, Knicks trade Cuttino Mobley's mostly insurance covered to the Grizz, along with cash and a pick, and the Jazz send Boozer to the Knicks.

 

[PapaG]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705316264/Jazz-finances-not-quite-so-bleak.html

Jazz are receiving $10 million, they will match.

I would be surprised if they don't match, and I'll be surprised if they don't take the full seven days to tie up Portland's cap space for a week.j

What a summer.

 

[hasoos]

I would be surprised if they don't match, and I'll be surprised if they don't take the full seven days to tie up Portland's cap space for a week.j

What a summer.

Yep I agree completely. But at the same time, if nothing else at least we took a shot at jacking a conference rival. That's the nasty side of KP we haven't seen yet. I think he may have finally got mad. When I have seen him in interviews, KP does not look like a happy guy. He looks like a guy who is seriously pissed. I hope that is not what is effecting negotiations within the team.

 

[Sedatedfork]

What impact does the "hefty signing bonus" have on the luxury tax issue for the Jazz? If it all counts this year when the Jazz are already at $73MM (if I remember right), then it might be a solid "toxic" contract. Anyone know how that works? Do we know what the $ amount of the hefty bonus is?

Edit: disregard. The deseretnews article covers this. Apparently the bonus is spread out according to a "complex formula".

I heard on the radio that it counts towards the cap on an evened out basis, but for LT purposes it all counts on the LT for year 1.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I would be surprised if they don't match, and I'll be surprised if they don't take the full seven days to tie up Portland's cap space for a week.j

What a summer.

I wouldn't be that upset about this, as it leaves us with time to make a lopsided trade after the season starts and it means that Utah is forced to try to make a trade to avoid LT hell this next year if my post above is correct. Utah is screwed either way.

 

[B-Roy]

I wouldn't be that upset about this, as it leaves us with time to make a lopsided trade after the season starts and it means that Utah is forced to try to make a trade to avoid LT hell this next year if my post above is correct. Utah is screwed either way.

If they manage to dump Boozer for cap, we just spent a ton of time on nothing.

 

[bobf]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705316264/Jazz-finances-not-quite-so-bleak.html

Jazz are receiving $10 million, they will match.

But they get that anyway right? So that's sunk income (sunk cost in reverse). Either way they have 8 mil reasons not to match... In my mind, its still 60 / 40 they will match. Egos come into play here. Even if they match I think it was worth the shot.

 

[bobf]

If they manage to dump Boozer for cap, we just spent a ton of time on nothing.

When you roll the dice you can lose... but you can also win.

 

[B-Roy]

When you roll the dice you can lose... but you can also win.

Utah is not "Screwed" either way though. They've been trying to unload Boozer for awhile now. We are just speeding up the process.

 

[bobf]

Utah is not "Screwed" either way though. They've been trying to unload Boozer for awhile now. We are just speeding up the process.

Maybe not... but alot of Jazz fans think they are screwed. They may not be able to unload Boozer... that's our roll of the dice that we hope succeeds.

 

[B-Roy]

After this is over we should offer a toxic contract to Sessions.

 

[julius]

After this is over we should offer a toxic contract to Sessions.

I wonder who we (as a fanbase, not so much the team) are going to target next and over-react when he stays with his current team instead of signing with Portland.

 

[B-Roy]

I wonder who we (as a fanbase, not so much the team) are going to target next and over-react when he stays with his current team instead of signing with Portland.

Who cares. Let's just use our capspace to make other teams pay more than they are willing for their restricted free agents.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Who cares. Let's just use our capspace to make other teams pay more than they are willing for their restricted free agents.

See -- it's not imaginary -- it just drives up what other teams pay so we can piss off our players when we try to resign them for less than market.

 

[julius]

Who cares. Let's just use our capspace to make other teams pay more than they are willing for their restricted free agents.

That actually isnt' a bad way of "pritch-slapping" teams. Make every team pay for Memphis' mistake..I like it!

Utah would have a harder time affording to over-pay Millsap (even if they trade Boozer) than we do. Makes them suffer!

Toronto overpays for Hedo, and doesn't improve their team enough to keep Bosh from bolting! Zing!

Chicago has to keep Hinrich as the backup, and loses the cap-space they actualyl want next summer for Wade and Bosh (although they won't admit it). Zing! Fuck you!

Memphis somehow is tricked into taking Zachs' contract! HA! Well, that's kind of a double dose of punishment..

Lakers somehow get tricked into paying money for an aging nutbar, instead of keeping their own FA Ariza! Kudos! (although on the surface I don't see how Pritchard had anything to do with that, it just is funny to say)

In all seriousness here, I think one team that could come out of this the winner is OKC. If they can trade for Boozer for space (or just trash), thats a pretty decent team next year.

 

[bobf]

Who cares. Let's just use our capspace to make other teams pay more than they are willing for their restricted free agents.

I think screwing Utah is just a side-effect. The main purpose is simply to take a shot at getting Millsap. Maybe all things considered the Blazers view Milsap as being better than Odom. And if the Millsap deal fails, what are the odds that Odom is gone in a week? If not they fall back on that.

 

[Idog1976]

After this is over we should offer a toxic contract to Sessions.

I would be fine with that and then get them to do a sign and trade with Sessions and Kurt Thomas for Outlaw, Blake, + cash and picks. Might need to spice it up a bit or involve a third team.

Like this: (here is the realgm Trade with Ridnour being a proxy for Ramon Sessions).

Portland trades: Outlaw and Blake to Milwaukie, and Przybilla to Houston

Portland receives: Ramon Sessions (ridnour is a salary close match substitute), Kurt Thomas and Shane battier

Milwaukie trades: Ramon Sessions, Kurt Thomas to Portland

Milwaukie receives: Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake and Chuck Hayes (the need a PF) plus future 1st round picks from Portland and $3 million dollars.

Houston trades: Shane Battier to Portland and Chuck Hayes to Milwaukie

Houston receives: Joel Przybilla

 

[B-Roy]

I just hope we don't get Millslapped in the end.

 

[RoyToy]

At this point I'm actually hoping Utah matches.

 

[Freshtown]

I just hope we don't get Millslapped in the end.

i loled

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The money the NBA gave to teams probably factored into the offer. After the He-don't fiasco, I'm confident KP and Co. wouldn't put their necks out like this if they weren't for sure they would get their guy.

Now that the Jazz are desperate to move Boozer they are going to get a lot of low ball offers. They've been shopping Boozer for some time but turned down many offers because they didn't feel it was worth it. Now that their leverage is gone, will they take any offer?

 

[B-Roy]

The money the NBA gave to teams probably factored into the offer. After the He-don't fiasco, I'm confident KP and Co. wouldn't put their necks out like this if they weren't for sure they would get their guy.

Now that the Jazz are desperate to move Boozer they are going to get a lot of low ball offers. They've been shopping Boozer for some time but turned down many offers because they didn't feel it was worth it. Now that their leverage is gone, will they take any offer?

That's the struggle. Are they willing to take virtually nothing for Boozer, if it allows them to retain Millsap?

 

[Minstrel]

That's the struggle. Are they willing to take virtually nothing for Boozer, if it allows them to retain Millsap?

If they're smart, they will. At this point, it's a straight choice between Boozer and Millsap (assuming they can't afford both, which seems to be the reported case). Thus, the reality is that "giving Boozer away" wouldn't be dumping Boozer for nothing...it would be trading Boozer for Millsap. Trading one power forward for another that is four years younger, cheaper, locked up for three more years and not significantly worse is a no-brainer, looked at in that perspective.

But if they look at it as giving up one asset for nothing in order to keep another asset that is already "theirs" (even though that's not the situation since they can't afford both), they may make a big mistake.

 

[alex42083]

What teams are left out there that can simply take on a salary like Boozer's without giving anything up? And yeah.. Utah is screwed if they think they can anything of value for Boozer, even if it was a first-round draft pick or something.

 

[Minstrel]

What teams are left out there that can simply take on a salary like Boozer's without giving anything up?

I think only Portland and Oklahoma City. Other teams can take on part of Boozer's salary but would have to match part of the salary.

 

[B-Roy]

I think only Portland and Oklahoma City. Other teams can take on part of Boozer's salary but would have to match part of the salary.

Sacramento, Memphis can.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Utah is now softening their stance:

To match, or not to match.

That is the question being faced by the Jazz now that restricted free agent Paul Millsap, their backup power forward, signed an offer sheet from the Portland Trail Blazers.

The offer is for four years, said Millsap's representative and uncle, DeAngelo Simmons, after it was signed late Friday night.

The contract — worth approximately $32 million — contains no team options, and player opt-out or early termination options.

It also is structured, Simmons said, with a significant signing bonus — the so-called "toxic" element, as first reported by the Oregonian newspaper in Portland last Wednesday night, designed to discourage Utah from matching.

"It's a deal Paul wanted for himself, security-wise, financially," said Ara Vartanian, Millsap's other representative.

"It's definitely a situation where he's getting what he should. It's a fair deal. The Jazz had a chance to not let this happen, but unfortunately they didn't value Paul as much as other teams."

The multimillion-dollar bonus might frighten a small-market team like the Jazz, but it amounts to loose change in the pocket of billionaire Blazers owner and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen.

-Deseret News

 

[Ed O]

Utah is now softening their stance:

-Deseret News

Yeaaaaah, boooooy!

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

Sacramento, Memphis can.

I thought Memphis used up their cap space in the Randolph deal. I didn't know Sacramento had close to $9 million of cap space.