REPORT: Millsap offer official now. Sent to Utah.

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If this actually finalizes, it's sort of Jermaine O'Neal in reverse, isn't it? We actually ADD a starting quality, young backup power forward.

Everyone who has ever used the argument that we shouldn't trade Sergio/Webster/Telfair/Rudy/Bayless/whomever because it could be The Next Jermaine O'Neal should love this acquisition.

I'm not worried at all about minutes. You get a guy like Milsap and then plan on trading Przybilla or Milsap or Aldridge down the road for a different piece. In the meantime, all of these bigs are lunchpail guys who really aren't going to squawk to the media about reduced roles. Especially if we win as much as I think we will with this kind of a big man rotation.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
I don't want to get my hopes up, but things are sounding good. If Paul becomes a Blazers, we won't be pushed around/out hustled in the Playoffs.

Crossing my fingers and toes.
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Depends if Joel gets traded or not.

If not, then hell yeah the Blazers won't get pushed around.
 
mook said:
If this actually finalizes, it's sort of Jermaine O'Neal in reverse, isn't it? We actually ADD a starting quality, young backup power forward.
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Yup, minus the giving up anything part. ;)

I would be absolutely thrilled if we got Millsap. I think people are really underestimating Millsap. He's the same age as Aldridge, produced nearly as well and is a good defender. Essentially the only thing differentiating him from Aldridge is that his size/athleticism probably means he doesn't have quite the upside.

Still, adding a player who's a slightly lesser version of Aldridge...for a decent salary and without giving up any talent? How is that not an incredible win for the off-season?
 
Four years ago Paul Milsap would've been the best player on our team.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
 
Minstrel said:
Yup, minus the giving up anything part. ;)

I would be absolutely thrilled if we got Millsap. I think people are really underestimating Millsap. He's the same age as Aldridge, produced nearly as well and is a good defender. Essentially the only thing differentiating him from Aldridge is that his size/athleticism probably means he doesn't have quite the upside.
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He also can't create his own shot like Aldridge can. Millsap was ast'd on 65% of his pts, Aldridge 57%.

Aldridge is a much more complete offensive player. Millsap really thrived in Utah because Utah was #1 in pace factor in the NBA last year.

edit - Utah was #1 for playoff teams, 10th overall.
 
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RoyToy said:
He also can't create his own shot like Aldridge can. Millsap was ast'd on 65% of his pts, Aldridge 57%.

Aldridge is a much more complete offensive player. Millsap really thrived in Utah because Utah was #1 in pace factor in the NBA last year.

edit - Utah was #1 for playoff teams.
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Although I agree with you, those numbers don't really help your argument. Those percentages are so close. We need a banger out of our backup PF, not a scorer. Thats why Milsap is going to be a great fit if for some reason Utah doesn't match. Too bad they will...
 
<-=*PdX*=-> said:
Although I agree with you, those numbers don't really help your argument. Those percentages are so close. We need a banger out of our backup PF, not a scorer. Thats why Milsap is going to be a great fit if for some reason Utah doesn't match. Too bad they will...
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Aldridge - 57%
Bosh - 53%
Dirk - 56%
Gasol - 57%
Amare - 57%

Millsap - 65%


There's obviously a noticeable difference here.
 
HurraKane212 said:
Millsap can get his own shot, but the Jazz P'n'R makes most of them assisted. Millsap has a great up and under move and has some fancy maneuvers to create space in the post. He also moves well off the ball, Rudy will love him.
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My point was he can't create his own shot like Aldridge can, who can create his own shot from 15+ feet whenever he wants.

Millsap is good, don't get me wrong, but Aldridge is the superior player. Aldridge works well in any style of offense while Millsap really thrives off of an up-tempo offense, and probably not as much as say uh.....Portland's offense.
 
mook said:
Four years ago Paul Milsap would've been the best player on our team.

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
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It's crazy to think how BAD our roster was:

Steve Blake
Juan Dixon
Jarrett Jack
Viktor Khryapa
Voshon Lenard
Darius Miles
Sergei Monia
Travis Outlaw
Ruben Patterson
Joel Przybilla
Zach Randolph
Theo Ratliff
Ha Seung-Jin
Brian Skinner
Charles Smith
Sebastian Telfair
Martell Webster

Yuck!
 
RoyToy said:
Aldridge - 57%
Bosh - 53%
Dirk - 56%
Gasol - 57%
Amare - 57%

Millsap - 65%


There's obviously a noticeable difference here.
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Some people just live and die by percentages like they are the tell all. I am a huge baseball fan above all else and numbers are what that game is about. I just get so sick of hearing numbers spitted out like they actually tell the whole story. They are only as good as they are current. I don't look at them and think about the possibilities of the next season, because shit happens.
 
Aldridge is the superior player, but it's not a huge disparity. If Portland were signing an Aldridge clone, how excited would we all be? Millsap is a little bit worse, but the excitement is WAY below what that mythical "clone of Aldridge" would generate.

Millsap is likely not a go-to guy. Aldridge isn't, either, yet, but might be in the near future. That's the main difference between them to me. But Millsap can create his own offense, just at a slightly lower level than Aldridge. More interestingly for Portland, Millsap tends to generate his offense near the hoop, while Aldridge is more of a high-post player. That suggests that a Aldridge/Millsap unit could be pretty complementary, lending further credence to the idea of an Oden/Aldridge/Millsap front court rotation.
 
MAS RipCity said:
Strike 1 Utah
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From that same NBA rumors twitter feed ...
Brandon Roy says he feels there is a 50% chance he will remain a Trailblazer after this season
this came from Roy just days AFTER him saying on the radio that he felt there was only a 50/50 chance he signs an extension.
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Strike-out Portland.
 
I can't even fathom the idea of Roy not being a Blazer past next year.
 
This off-season, so far, has been an epic failure on KP, Penn, Allen's part.

Paul Millsap will erase that if we can land him. Landing a player of his caliber for $8m/per would be amazing.
 
From the Salt Lake Tribune's Jazz twitter feed:

I continue hearing that a trade with the Bulls involving Kirk Hinrich is the most likely outcome of this whole mess.
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Nothing new to us, but interesting that those plugged in from the Jazz's end are hearing this as well.
 
I'd be severely disappointed if this whole thing was merely just a chess move to land a marginal upgrade in Kirk Hinrich.
 
Fez said:
I'd be severely disappointed if this whole thing was merely just a chess move to land a marginal upgrade in Kirk Hinrich.
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I think adding Hinrich as our starting PG is better than adding Millsap as our backup PF. Just two seasons ago, Kirk had a 17 PER and was named second team All-NBA defense. No reason for him to not rejuvenate his career here.
 
It was three years ago when he made the all-defensive team.

He's not that same player.
 
Wasn't it in 06-07? Semantics, I suppose.

Why wouldn't he improve with an increased role and a change of scenery?
 
Minstrel said:
More interestingly for Portland, Millsap tends to generate his offense near the hoop, while Aldridge is more of a high-post player. That suggests that a Aldridge/Millsap unit could be pretty complementary, lending further credence to the idea of an Oden/Aldridge/Millsap front court rotation.
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I wonder how Oden and Millsap will play togeather? Will they get in each others way, clog the middle and hamper each others effectiveness? Or will they be an unstoppable duo gobbling up rebounds from every direction and pushing the other team out of the way.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I think adding Hinrich as our starting PG is better than adding Millsap as our backup PF. Just two seasons ago, Kirk had a 17 PER and was named second team All-NBA defense. No reason for him to not rejuvenate his career here.
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I agree completely. I think Hinrich will transform our defense- we'll finally have the option of having good on ball defense at all our perimeter positions- Hinrich, Roy and an improved Batum.
 
Draco's Evil Sidekick said:
I wonder how Oden and Millsap will play togeather? Will they get in each others way, clog the middle and hamper each others effectiveness? Or will they be an unstoppable duo gobbling up rebounds from every direction and pushing the other team out of the way.
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Yeah, that's an interesting question. But I assume that when Oden is on the floor and effective, Millsap's post game will be de-emphasized and he'd focus on rebounding and defense.
 
The thing about Millsap, he can also hit the mid-range jumper.

He really reminds me of Zach Randolph when he played behind Rasheed and before he got his massive contract - garbage man who grabs rebounds in bunches and scores a lot of his points from O-Rebs.

According to his agent, I know he's probably chruchin' him up, Millsap has range out to the 3pt line. I guess we really haven't seen all of what Millsap can do on the offensive end.
 
Not sure why this became an Aldridge vs. Millsap thread. They are two very different players, who will play different roles. Aldridge is long, fast and graceful. He will be our starting 4 for the next decade. Millsap is a much better rebounder and a better defender. He's stronger and a true banger. He will be a great back-up - possibly the best back-up 4 in the league - paired with Joel, that will give us the best back-up front line in the league.

And, while Millsap will make it possible to trade Joel, I don't see it happening this season. Both Oden and Joel have a history of injuries. So, having four solid big men is highly desirable. Oden also has to show he can cut down on the fouls enough to get 30 MPG. I also wouldn't mind seeing Aldridge's minutes cut back to about 33 - 34 MPG. It will cut down on the wear and tear and keep him fresher and more rested for the post season. On paper, assuming Oden averages 30 MPF and Aldridge 34 MPG, it looks like that only leaves 18 MPG for Joel and 14 MPG Millsap. However, when you account for injures and missed games, I don't think Joel or Millsap will have any problems getting >20 MPG on average. Joel has never averaged more than 25 MPG during his career, and keeping his minutes down seems to reduce the chance of injury. He also played great last December and January coming off the bench behind Oden. It helped him stay out of foul trouble, which allowed him to play much more aggressively when he did come in - and you may recall he shot over 0.700 from the field during that stretch.

I've always been a big fan of Millsap's and I'd be thrilled to get him. He will add toughness and even more rebounding off the bench and is a more than capable starter if Aldridge suffers an injury. He will also be a big help in the post season - which is really the main reason to get him. The Blazers got pushed around by Carl Landry and Chuck Hayes in the play-offs. I know KP loves players with "length", but it's definitely time we added a little strength to go with that length. Millsap, plus a healthy Oden will prevent us from getting pushed around in the play-offs again.

BNM
 
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