Report: Roy agrees to terms with Blazers

[Ed O]

So going with this theory of leverage and nothing to lose, why would the Blazer make this offer now? If they have nothing to lose and have all the leverage, why wouldn't they continue to wait, it's in their best interest to wait.

Maybe they changed their mind. Maybe they decided that it wasn't a fight worth fighting.

Maybe ticket sales are up. Maybe ticket sales are down. Maybe Paul Allen or Vulcan had additional money cleared to spend on Roy.

Or maybe they were stalling for a month just because they could. Because they had all the leverage and Roy had none during that time.

Ed O.

 

[mgb]

Well the only other option was not to sign him. Again this was expected. They tried to gain control of the 5th year and couldn't get it. That is what took so long. The money was not the issue. It was the 5th year. You had to assume that Roy would win out, because it's not that big of a loss to the Blazers. But they tried anyway and lost. i am sure they are not losing any sleep over it. At that amount Roy won't opt out.

Ya, I agree that there is very little chance that Roy will opt out. He can't get near the same money any where else. Roy would really have to want to get out of Portland to opt out and the only thing that might make him want to is a ring. Hopefully he'll get that here.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Maybe they changed their mind. Maybe they decided that it wasn't a fight worth fighting.

Maybe ticket sales are up. Maybe ticket sales are down. Maybe Paul Allen or Vulcan had additional money cleared to spend on Roy.

Or maybe they were stalling for a month just because they could. Because they had all the leverage and Roy had none during that time.

Ed O.

Well I certainly hope it wasn't the last one.

The others ones sound good to me.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Maybe they changed their mind. Maybe they decided that it wasn't a fight worth fighting.

Maybe ticket sales are up. Maybe ticket sales are down. Maybe Paul Allen or Vulcan had additional money cleared to spend on Roy.

Or maybe they were stalling for a month just because they could. Because they had all the leverage and Roy had none during that time.

Ed O.

Actually, Ed, I'm pretty sure they did it just to piss off ODENISGOD so that it would boost activity on sportstwo.com. Thus, making Blazer fans love the organization that much more after so much anticipation.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Real GM is reporting the deal was for 80 million and less than the maximum....with the idea being there would be money left on the table for Greg and LaMarcus to get their extensions.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60993/20090805/roy_agrees_to_$80m_extension/

 

[Ed O]

Real GM is reporting the deal was for 80 million and less than the maximum....with the idea being there would be money left on the table for Greg and LaMarcus to get their extensions.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60993/20090805/roy_agrees_to_$80m_extension/

They also say that the max contract under the current year would be $87m... I am pretty sure that's not correct.

Year: 		1		2		3		4		5		Raise		Total
Dollars:	13758000	15202590	16647180	18091770	19536360	1444590		83235900

I'd be interested to see where they get $87m.

It's hard to know whether they heard $80m and assumed it wasn't a max deal or heard it wasn't a max deal and worked back. Either way I doubt numbers from any source at this point.

Ed O.

 

[mgb]

I heard 87 was the max now, but next year it'd be 82?

 

[Tince]

I heard 87 was the max now, but next year it'd be 82?

We won't know until the revenue comes in next year.

 

[mgb]

We won't know until the revenue comes in next year.

Maybe it was by what was predicted to come in next year.

 

[Ed O]

I heard 87 was the max now, but next year it'd be 82?

What is the maximum salary for 2009-10? In my math, above, I used the amount from the Salary Cap FAQ of $13758000. That, with a 10.5% raise from the first year, adds up to $83235900 over five years.

Next year is a guess since we don't know the cap level, but if it drops to near $50m, then the maximum salary should be about $12.5m, which would put a five year max contract at $75625000 with the 10.5% of first year raises.

If anyone sees something wrong with these numbers, please correct me. I will update my Excel sheet.

Ed O.

 

[mgb]

What is the maximum salary for 2009-10? In my math, above, I used the amount from the Salary Cap FAQ of $13758000. That, with a 10.5% raise from the first year, adds up to $83235900 over five years.

Next year is a guess since we don't know the cap level, but if it drops to near $50m, then the maximum salary should be about $12.5m, which would put a five year max contract at $75625000 with the 10.5% of first year raises.

If anyone sees something wrong with these numbers, please correct me. I will update my Excel sheet.

Ed O.

Don't confuse the issue with facts!

 

[Ed O]

Don't confuse the issue with facts!

Haha... I THINK I'm right, but I'd rather be proven wrong than assume I'm right.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

And, yes. Of course I made an error. I was looking at the Salary Cap FAQ maximum salary for LAST year, rather than 09-10. According to the FAQ, the max salary is $13.52m this year, so would make the extension (if it kicked in this year, which it does not) look like this:

Year: 		1		2		3		4		5		Raise		Total
Dollars:	13520000	14939600	16359200	17778800	19198400	1419600		81796000

The salary cap FAQ might be wrong, but I trust it more than Quick here.

Ed O.

 

[mgb]

The salary cap FAQ might be wrong, but I trust it more than Quick here.

Ed O.

I've heard 87M from a couple different sources, but they all might being coming for JQ.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How will they know what it is? isn't his contract 25% of the cap next year? or is it this coming years number?

 

[mgb]

I think the high amount is basing it on what the S/C is right now and the low is what it is predicted to be next year.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Maybe they changed their mind. Maybe they decided that it wasn't a fight worth fighting.

Maybe ticket sales are up. Maybe ticket sales are down. Maybe Paul Allen or Vulcan had additional money cleared to spend on Roy.

Or maybe they were stalling for a month just because they could. Because they had all the leverage and Roy had none during that time.

Ed O.

The tone of negotiations seemed to change (in the media, anyway) around the same time the new CBA agenda was released (to the media, anyway). Probably coincidence, but i wonder if Paul was waiting for a certain detail to appear or not appear in that agenda before pulling the trigger on Roy's contract.

 

[PapaG]

I'm not sure what the Blazers lost by negotiating.

The respect of Oden/LMA/Rudy/Batum's agents for taking such a "tough stand" yet ultimately yielding to the player?

If the idea was to show those players that the Blazers meant hardball, this contract doesn't exactly reinforce that assumed tactic.

 

[PapaG]

Haha... I THINK I'm right, but I'd rather be proven wrong than assume I'm right.

Ed O.

Well, you were wrong earlier on the Deron Williams' extension, and how the lowered cap actually lowered the contract's value.

 

[LOTBfan]

they were going to stone wall him until he signed a low offer, but ODENISGOD was able to change their minds through his posts.

 

[PapaG]

they were going to stone wall him until he signed a low offer, but ODENISGOD was able to change their minds through his posts.

When you lose ODENISGOD, you've lost your fanbase.

 

[Ed O]

Well, you were wrong earlier on the Deron Williams' extension, and how the lowered cap actually lowered the contract's value.

Indeed I was. It is unfortunate that you weren't able to find any evidence of it and we had to wait for someone else to correct me.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

I think the high amount is basing it on what the S/C is right now and the low is what it is predicted to be next year.

I think that Quick is pulling his first year amount from 25% of the ACTUAL salary cap (based on 51% of BRI, with subtractions for some benefits), not the cap based on 48.04% of projected BRI, which is the cap used to figure maximum salary. Those cap numbers are not the same thing according to Larry Coon.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Indeed I was. It is unfortunate that you weren't able to find any evidence of it and we had to wait for someone else to correct me.

Ed O.

I said you were wrong all along, Ed. It was up to you to prove your case, which you did not do. Unless you want to hire me as a paralegal, of course.

 

[oldmangrouch]

The tone of negotiations seemed to change (in the media, anyway) around the same time the new CBA agenda was released (to the media, anyway). Probably coincidence, but i wonder if Paul was waiting for a certain detail to appear or not appear in that agenda before pulling the trigger on Roy's contract.

The fact Larry Miller was appointed to the negotiating committee?

 

[Ed O]

How will they know what it is? isn't his contract 25% of the cap next year? or is it this coming years number?

We won't know until the maximum salary is established for the first year of his extension.

The $87m/$82m is a different discussion in terms of accuracy of what's being reported.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

I said you were wrong all along, Ed. It was up to you to prove your case, which you did not do. Unless you want to hire me as a paralegal, of course.

Actually it wasn't up to me. You said I was wrong. I pointed you to evidence I was correct and asked for evidence that I was wrong.

You did not show me ONE thing that supported your position. I don't take many people--especially you, no offense--who disagree with me merely at their word when I have what I believe is evidence that I am correct.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Actually it wasn't up to me. You said I was wrong. I pointed you to evidence I was correct and asked for evidence that I was wrong.

You did not show me ONE thing that supported your position. I don't take many people--especially you, no offense--who disagree with me merely at their word when I have what I believe is evidence that I am correct.

Ed O.

See, that's the fun of it for me. Sooo convinced...

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

 

[Storyteller2]

I've heard 87M from a couple different sources, but they all might being coming for JQ.

Chad Ford reported the $87 million earlier today. He's since edited the number to the correct $82 million.

The error people are making is that they don't take into account that the base number for calculating the team salary cap and the base number for calculating maximum salaries are two different figures in the current CBA (they were the same number in the previous CBA). The one used to calculate maximum salaries is lower than the other. Those saying $87 are using the incorrect (higher) number.