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Retool or rebuild

  • 1. Retool around Dame and trade some youth

    Votes: 18 40.0%

  • 2. Rebuild trade Dame, Nurk and let Grant go in free agency

    Votes: 17 37.8%

  • 3. Keep Ant, Dame, Sharpe and this years draft pick and run with it

    Votes: 10 22.2%
  • Total voters
    45
I prefer Bridges over Brown, but then I looked them up and Bridges is actually older than Brown even though he was drafted 2 years later....
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You keep acting as if Bridges was the same player he was on the Suns. Did you not see him turn into a total star on the Nets? Were you not paying attention?
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Absolutely i saw what he did. But this is NEW YORK. They want splashy, bright lights, showtime.
 
Wasn't Mikal Bridges measured at the combine at 6'5 1/4 in bare feet? I ask only because for an SF I was told that is too short.
Personally, I would take him in a heartbeat, but you guys whine so much about height that I am surprised that you all are overlooking it.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
For the REBUILD option:

It's actually pretty hard to come up with a good team for Dame, given his massive contract and age, and given that a team that traded for him would want to be able to compete pretty much immediately. Here's one suggestion that, as usual, most people will take offense at:

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Obviously the main prize is NOT Ben Simmons, he's just what makes up the salaries. Maybe the Blazers can even get him off the roster the way they attempted to with Darius Miles and Brandon Roy (so that means the Timberwolves will try to fuck it up). If he DID manage a miraculous Markelle Fultz-esque recovery, that would just be gravy, because the main prize is Nic Claxton, who turned into an all-defense team member, and exactly plugs a hole in our roster.

No, the Nets would not give us Mikal Bridges - pairing him with Dame would be their plan. They'd be short a center after this trade, but they could surround Dame with SEVERAL 3-and-D guys. Not sure they'd go the expensive superstar route again so soon after being burned by KD and Kyrie, though.
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Brooklyn does not have 3 first round picks; they only have 2...Phoenix and their own. Houston keeps their pick and Utah gets Philly's pick

so what your are proposing is that Portland trade Dame for

* Simmons, who is a completely busted player on an albatross contract who might have the most negative value in the NBA

* Claxton

and picks 21 & 22 in a draft in which they got 23 and Thybulle for Hart

in other words 1 decent starting level player who's positive value is offset by the negative value of Simmons, and a pair of draft picks in the 20's in the same draft they already have a pick in the 20's

yes, you're right...it's bad

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Brooklyn has a lot more draft picks to trade by the way, and they should NOT be able to dump Simmons in a trade for Dame

Dame+Keon+Walker

for

Claxton+Joe Harris+Royce ONeal+Cam Thomas plus Phoenix 2023 first+Phoenix 2025 first + Phoenix or Dallas 2027 first, whichever is more favorable+ Dallas 2029 first...no protections on picks before 2029
 
Rastapopoulos said:
For the REBUILD option:

It's actually pretty hard to come up with a good team for Dame, given his massive contract and age, and given that a team that traded for him would want to be able to compete pretty much immediately. Here's one suggestion that, as usual, most people will take offense at:

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Obviously the main prize is NOT Ben Simmons, he's just what makes up the salaries. Maybe the Blazers can even get him off the roster the way they attempted to with Darius Miles and Brandon Roy (so that means the Timberwolves will try to fuck it up). If he DID manage a miraculous Markelle Fultz-esque recovery, that would just be gravy, because the main prize is Nic Claxton, who turned into an all-defense team member, and exactly plugs a hole in our roster.

No, the Nets would not give us Mikal Bridges - pairing him with Dame would be their plan. They'd be short a center after this trade, but they could surround Dame with SEVERAL 3-and-D guys. Not sure they'd go the expensive superstar route again so soon after being burned by KD and Kyrie, though.
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Not saying I want Ben Simmons but I wonder if getting lost on a small market team way out in the PNW isn’t exactly what he needs to regain his confidence.
 
Sharpe and the pick(if it’s Top 3) should not be traded, there is no “star” available worth that. Sharpe/Brandon Miller could be our Tatum/Brown(but better) in 2-3 seasons.
 
LayneStaley said:
Not saying I want Ben Simmons but I wonder if getting lost on a small market team way out in the PNW isn’t exactly what he needs to regain his confidence.
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If Portland got Simmons it should be a way of getting off Nurkic and spare parts, and they should be getting picks in the process. Make sure that aside from the massive cap hit, you’re not banking on Simmons contributing so that if you get ‘anything’ out of him it’s all gravy.
 
Simmons career , as a star, is OHHVAH! Dude's not made of the right stuff. The Blazers aren't taking him in any deal.
 
the idea that the Blazers would/should/could trade Dame for Ben Simmons is repugnant squared and anybody advocating for it can go fuck themselves, over and over, then pound sand, then drop dead

Brooklyn really can't make a good offer for Dame, unless you believe 3 or 4 likely late 1st round draft picks 5-7 years from now is the basis for a good offer
 
LayneStaley said:
Sharpe and the pick(if it’s Top 3) should not be traded, there is no “star” available worth that. Sharpe/Brandon Miller could be our Tatum/Brown(but better) in 2-3 seasons.
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And then they will leave for the bright lights , and big city. But hey, we can continue to rebuild till the next Millennia.
 
wizenheimer said:
the idea that the Blazers would/should/could trade Dame for Ben Simmons is repugnant squared and anybody advocating for it can go fuck themselves, over and over, then pound sand, then drop dead

Brooklyn really can't make a good offer for Dame, unless you believe 3 or 4 likely late 1st round draft picks 5-7 years from now is the basis for a good offer
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Sell Low Joe can make anything happen.
 
tykendo said:
And then they will leave for the bright lights , and big city. But hey, we can continue to rebuild till the next Millennia.
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Where do people get this idea that players leave for the “bright lights and big city?”
Show me a trend of it happening.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Wasn't Mikal Bridges measured at the combine at 6'5 1/4 in bare feet? I ask only because for an SF I was told that is too short.
Personally, I would take him in a heartbeat, but you guys whine so much about height that I am surprised that you all are overlooking it.
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Position is what he can guard (and what his game is, to an extent). He moves like a 3&D SF and whose size and length fit within that range of the multi-position (1-4) defender. BUT he is on the shorter side of the range a team wants. So is Jaylen Brown who was measured at 6’5.25” barefoot with a 6’11.75” wingspan.

In contrast, CJ is a shorter SG who plays so much smaller. Shaedon Sharpe at 6’4.25” and 6’11.5” wingspan makes for a shorter SF, but a GOOD-sized SG. Shaedon at SF with a shorter SG beside him (Ant) without some serious D puts so much pressure on having bigs to play very good to excellent D. Bridges ups the D without harming the other end.

Dame + Sharpe + Bridges + Grant … would be fun to see!
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Wasn't Mikal Bridges measured at the combine at 6'5 1/4 in bare feet? I ask only because for an SF I was told that is too short.
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who told you that? Heck Draymond is likely headed to the HoF as a PF & he measured only 0.5" taller then that.

Yes thats what Bridges measured at the combine... which is 1.5" taller then the guy (Hart) Portland started at SF most of the year. More important measurements then height in projecting positions are weight and standing reach where (again) Bridges measured superior to Hart (+10lbs, +2.5"). Of course everyone would take him in a heartbeat if he was easily attainable.

HoopsFanAZ said:
Dame + Sharpe + Bridges + Grant … would be fun to see!
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yup, that would be an exciting 1-4. It would probably take every disposable asset Portland has to pry Mikal from NYB and even then they might not be interested. Though they'd be a fun group for sure, I don't see that as serious contending level team unless Sharpe bumps his game through the stratosphere (like All NBA team) next season... do you?

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
who told you that? Heck Draymond is likely headed to the HoF as a PF & he measured only 0.5" taller then that.

Yes thats what Bridges measured at the combine... which is 1.5" taller then the guy (Hart) Portland started at SF most of the year. More important measurements then height in projecting positions are weight and standing reach where (again) Bridges measured superior to Hart (+10lbs, +2.5"). Of course everyone would take him in a heartbeat if he was easily attainable.


yup, that would be an exciting 1-4. It would probably take every disposable asset Portland has to pry Mikal from NYB and even then they might not be interested. Though they'd be a fun group for sure, I don't see that as serious contending level team unless Sharpe bumps his game through the stratosphere (like All NBA team) next season... do you?

STOMP
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Bridges as an all NBA defender? Yes, and that while scoring around 20 per game.
The Blazers as a contender in the West with those 4? Depends on center, to a degree, but more about the bench.

The West has NO dominant team. Being a contender in the West like Memphis can get you out in the first round due to injuries to a couple nice but not great bigs. And if Portland was in the mix close to the All Star game, as the 2nd best on the team, Bridges can get that Star-plus-one treatment of the near-all-star on a good team.

We may disagree on the above.
 
my current care points

dame - if we can retool via the below, then keep him if he believes and the moves are needle movers. if the options are limited and the moves a small, id move dame and start the rebuild properly. im over being fuckin mid.
ant - as literally everyone with eyes has said, he's just another CJ type and we know how that goes. move him 100%
nurk - lotsa promises, limited results, lotsa injuries, and zero consistency. move him 100%
grant - i like him, but not a max - sign n trade or whatever - 50/50 depends.

im pretty much down to build around sharpe, gut everything, load up on picks and just start again properly, not just putting band aids on things that need stitches.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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I think you & I are in the same page, but I think Portland could squeeze more out of the trade:

Dame
Nurk (into TPE)
Walker


Simmons
Claxton (into TPE)
#21 pick
'25 (highest of Brk/PHX)
'27 (highest of Brk/PHX/PHI)
'29 (highest of Dal/Brk/PHX)

The nice thing is there's more than 1 team that may hit hard times & be bad in the future

A lineup of:
Ant, Sharpe, Grant, Simmons, Claxton isnt bad (with some high draft picks coming off the bench)
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I think you & I are in the same page, but I think Portland could squeeze more out of the trade:

Dame
Nurk (into TPE)
Walker


Simmons
Claxton (into TPE)
#21 pick
'25 (highest of Brk/PHX)
'27 (highest of Brk/PHX/PHI)
'29 (highest of Dal/Brk/PHX)

The nice thing is there's more than 1 team that may hit hard times & be bad in the future

A lineup of:
Ant, Sharpe, Grant, Simmons, Claxton isnt bad (with some high draft picks coming off the bench)
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Portland won't trade Dame before the draft, and Brooklyn can't trade their pick until after the draft. Normally that wouldn't be a big obstacle but I think it's extremely unlikely that Dame will say "trade me" before the draft. And even if somehow, that happened, Grant wouldn't re-sign in Portlan

and for fuck sakes, again, the idea of trading Dame for Simmons is insulting and repugnant
 
wizenheimer said:
Portland won't trade Dame before the draft, and Brooklyn can't trade their pick until after the draft. Normally that wouldn't be a big obstacle but I think it's extremely unlikely that Dame will say "trade me" before the draft. And even if somehow, that happened, Grant wouldn't re-sign in Portlan

and for fuck sakes, again, the idea of trading Dame for Simmons is insulting and repugnant
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Brooklyn has 2 picks this year, so the trade CAN happen prior to the draft.

And Portland isn't 'trading FOR' Simmons. He's strictly salary ballast. If it helps, think of it as:

Nurk/Simmons swap.

followed up with
Dame/Claxton+picks swap

I also don't agree that Grant would not resign. I really think his primary driver is $$$. If Portland offers ~$30m/yr, he stays
 
wizenheimer said:
Portland won't trade Dame before the draft, and Brooklyn can't trade their pick until after the draft. Normally that wouldn't be a big obstacle but I think it's extremely unlikely that Dame will say "trade me" before the draft. And even if somehow, that happened, Grant wouldn't re-sign in Portlan

and for fuck sakes, again, the idea of trading Dame for Simmons is insulting and repugnant
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Do you have a link that says that Dame is currently restricted from being traded? Both Fanspo's and ESPN's trade machines have him available to be traded.
 
blazerkor said:
Do you have a link that says that Dame is currently restricted from being traded? Both Fanspo's and ESPN's trade machines have him available to be traded.
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Pretty sure it's some time in July, gotta wait a year after that extension I believe.

Found this paragraph in a Bleacher Report article"

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Even prior to Haynes' report, there's been nothing to indicate a Lillard trade was a plausible scenario right now. The two-year, $121.8 million extension he signed with the team hasn't even kicked in yet, which means he can't be traded until July."
 
In all honesty, I think Portland should draft the stud in 2023 and work things out.

Seeing as how it was depth that Portland needed, drafting a quality player, giving Sharpe a bigger role (many of those wins last year were when Sharpe played well), and making some key role player signings...may be all that Portland needs.

If by the trade deadline, it becomes clearer that it's just not going to work, Portland can push for an established player or a rebuild.

Simons+2023+future picks can go for Siakam/Bridges OR Dame can go for Ayton, Michael Porter Jr+picks, Tyrese Maxey+pick(s), Jordan Poole+picks (all of which make the teams that acquire Dame an instant title favorite while providing a young talent in return). In the latter case, Simons for OG may be a possibility, as well.

And thus, for a rebuild, you put one of Porter Jr/Maxey/Ayton/Poole around Sharpe+the 2023 pick and either OG or Simons.
 
Blazinaway said:
Pretty sure it's some time in July, gotta wait a year after that extension I believe.

Found this paragraph in a Bleacher Report article"

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Even prior to Haynes' report, there's been nothing to indicate a Lillard trade was a plausible scenario right now. The two-year, $121.8 million extension he signed with the team hasn't even kicked in yet, which means he can't be traded until July."
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July 9th, 2023
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/portland-trail-blazers/damian-lillard-10814/
 
“In all honesty, I think Portland should draft the stud in 2023 and work things out.
Seeing as how it was depth that Portland needed, drafting a quality player, giving Sharpe a bigger role (many of those wins last year were when Sharpe played well), and making some key role player signings...may be all that Portland needs”

To me this should be the default course. I don’t think Dame will leave if the Blazers look like a playoff team. They don’t need to be considered “contenders” or he would have left long ago. Dame wants an end to the tanking and to get back to making the postseason every year.
Cronin needs to get it right in the draft and to add legitimate role players.
 
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