OT RIP Evoca TV

[Phatguysrule]

Doesnt Direct TV have Root?

Yes, I think so. Honestly once they went with root I stopped paying attention to who carried it and just started clicking the free links.

The Blazers obviously don't care if people do that or they would make it easier to stream games.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yes, and thus I care about it's continued existence so I can continue to watch the game.

You can continue regardless. You may choose not to, but that would be your choice.

That would probably serve them right...

 

[THE HCP]

there is talk of streaming being a key part of the new TV deal in 25. Let's see what happens.

Where did you hear this? Not saying it isn't true, I'm just always curious where "talk" comes from.

 

[THE HCP]

I'm not pissed. I'm just consuming the most convenient way possible.

Doesn't sound like it FAMS, just get DirecTV or Comcast. That's about as convenient as it gets.

 

[THE HCP]

The Blazers obviously don't care if people do that or they would make it easier to stream games.

This might be the 74th time I've typed this....last time.... the Blazers don't control the stream. That's a ROOT situation. ROOT makes it easy or hard to stream. There, done.

 

[Natebishop3]

It is absolutely archaic that we can't just pay to stream from the league directly. These individual contracts that the teams have with local providers is old fashioned and stupid. Other major sports allow you to just pay for the league service and be done with it.

 

[THE HCP]

It is absolutely archaic that we can't just pay to stream from the league directly. These individual contracts that the teams have with local providers is old fashioned and stupid. Other major sports allow you to just pay for the league service and be done with it.

Plan on it being like this next season too. Then you won't be so frustrated.

 

[illmatic99]

Where did you hear this? Not saying it isn't true, I'm just always curious where "talk" comes from.

bunch of sources have been talking about it for years. here's one article i saw this summer.

https://theathletic.com/3369596/2022/06/16/nba-broadcast-deal-mls-apple/

some snippets:

Media consultant Ed Desser, a former NBA senior executive who has negotiated TV rights deals for teams across several major league teams and organizations, said the MLS deal is a “landmark” for the sports broadcast industry and noted a few elements could affect how the NBA structures its next media deals. He predicts there will be more streaming, perhaps centralized game production, and NBA League Pass could be folded in some way into the national deals. And the notion of Apple as a legitimate potential sports media partner is further cemented.

“The media business has to be in the service of that,” he said. Apple or Amazon may bid on NBA media rights because they believe bundling games with their core products and services will move the profit needle.

Those tech giants certainly can afford to get more into sports: Apple reported $365 billion in 2021 revenue while Amazon’s was $469.8 billion.

Whatever the NBA ultimately does, Crakes said he expects to see more streaming and probably with multiple partners, but nothing as radical as MLS-Apple TV.

 

[illmatic99]

Another: https://frontofficesports.com/nba-streaming-exclusive-package/

Amazon has made it clear it wants an NBA package along with the NFL, said one source.

Amazon just signed a deal to stream 87 live games, including playoff games, in Brazil during the 2022-2023 season. LeBron James, the league’s biggest star, will co-host an alternate stream of TNF for Amazon during the Green Bay Packers-Tennessee Titans game on Nov. 17

“Amazon is locked and loaded for a shot at the NBA,” said a source.

NBA owners are chomping at the bit to enter the growing direct-to-consumer sports market. Los Angeles Clippers owner Steve Ballmer just launched his own streaming platform dubbed “ClipperVision.”

 

[THE HCP]

Yeah they've been talking about it for 20 years. Thought you heard something recently. It will be here one day I'm sure.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

am i the only one who thinks $7 to just watch a game on TV is an exorbitant price?

I dunno... i used to live in Indiana for almost a decade from 2012-2021 where i could get in the arena for $5 to watch games in person. Not the Lebron/Curry games, but pretty damn good ones. I have paid $9 to watch a ECSF game against the Melo Knicks even. The scales are just off for me. I'm about to move to the NY area so I'm sure I'm in for a shock with all this stuff.

Reading is fundamental.

Thar's just under $7 a game. I still get all the other channels as well.

That would be all month for all my televisions that my wife and kids watch in all rooms also.

 

[Phatguysrule]

This might be the 74th time I've typed this....last time.... the Blazers don't control the stream. That's a ROOT situation. ROOT makes it easy or hard to stream. There, done.

Blazers signed the deal with Root. They weren't forced to do that. They CHOSE to do that. They can CHOOSE who they sign with next. I will encourage people to watch games the most convenient way possible.

I assume the Blazers don't care how the game is consumed, since they CHOSE to sign with Root. I'm not attacking the Blazers.
It is disappointing that they didn't learn from the prior Comcast deal. But again, since they don't care, I don't care.

 

[THE HCP]

if you didn't care, you'd just let it go and subscribe to a service that carries the game though right?

 

[Phatguysrule]

if you didn't care, you'd just let it go and subscribe to a service that carries the game though right?

Why would I do that? Why would I spend money I don't need to on a service I don't want or need? Why wouldn't I talk about it in a Blazer forum, specifically in a thread about how shady, expensive, and lacking the official streaming services are?

 

[THE HCP]

Why would I do that? Why would I spend money I don't need to on a service I don't want or need? Why wouldn't I talk about it in a Blazer forum, specifically in a thread about how shady, expensive, and lacking the official streaming services are?

Hold on, your DON'T need a service that lets you watch the Blazer games? Now I'm confused holmes. And YOU were the one in the above post whop said you don't care". Either get the service or don't. Your choice.

 

[illmatic99]

Reading is fundamental.


That would be all month for all my televisions that my wife and kids watch in all rooms also.

And I suggest you take your own advice.

i just can't justify the cost of cable with all the useless channels when all i would really use it for are games.

i already pay for netflix/prime/peacock/hulu and share pwds with family to watch hbo max. Adding a cost of $75-100 or whatever it is to a cable company just isn't worth it for me.

And let me remind you that you are the one who brought up the per game calculation.

 

[TBpup]

This might be the 74th time I've typed this....last time.... the Blazers don't control the stream. That's a ROOT situation. ROOT makes it easy or hard to stream. There, done.

So then who sold the rights to broadcast the teams games to Root? I get that Root controls it now, but the Blazers had some say in how that deal occurred unless Root held a gun to their heads and said the poor, helpless Blazers had no say in the details of the sale and how the games would be distributed?

It seems that is people's frustrations. It's less easy to get now than it was before and if you are in Vancouver, it has been reported it can be even more difficult.

 

[illmatic99]

It is absolutely archaic that we can't just pay to stream from the league directly. These individual contracts that the teams have with local providers is old fashioned and stupid. Other major sports allow you to just pay for the league service and be done with it.

blackout restrictions unfortunately still apply for NFL game pass and MLB TV also.

As I have been saying for years, that is the real problem here.

And it's hard to identify who the real culprit is that came up with such ideas, especially in a world where streaming rules. Is it the networks (Root/Bally/etc)? Is it the leagues? Is it the service provider (Comcast/Direct TV/etc)? Whoever it is, I just hope the new TV deal is a step in the right direction in removing this nonsense. Maybe even keep a hybrid setup to placate Turner/ESPN by blacking out only national TV games.

NBA Team Pass this year to watch one team was $89 without the discounts. This is perfect for out of market fans. They just ran a black friday deal for all of LP (every game for every team minus TNT/ESPN/NBATV games) for $49 for the season. That is an insanely cheap price even without the deal. If every game was available IN MARKET without blackouts, I bet you they would get so many more subscribers.

 

[Chris Craig]

Hold on, your DON'T need a service that lets you watch the Blazer games? Now I'm confused holmes. And YOU were the one in the above post whop said you don't care". Either get the service or don't. Your choice.

He watches the pirated stream

 

[Fairly-Hard]

And I suggest you take your own advice.



And let me remind you that you are the one who brought up the per game calculation.

No Brother that line is absolutely no where in the post i responded to. Which was in response to my post.
You said AND I QUOTE!

am i the only one who thinks $7 to just watch a game on TV is an exorbitant price?

I dunno... i used to live in Indiana for almost a decade from 2012-2021 where i could get in the arena for $5 to watch games in person. Not the Lebron/Curry games, but pretty damn good ones. I have paid $9 to watch a ECSF game against the Melo Knicks even. The scales are just off for me. I'm about to move to the NY area so I'm sure I'm in for a shock with all this stuff.

 

[THE HCP]

So then who sold the rights to broadcast the teams games to Root? I get that Root controls it now, but the Blazers had some say in how that deal occurred unless Root held a gun to their heads and said the poor, helpless Blazers had no say in the details of the sale and how the games would be distributed?

It seems that is people's frustrations. It's less easy to get now than it was before and if you are in Vancouver, it has been reported it can be even more difficult.

We could do this all night. Tougher in Vancouver, oh well....more people can see it NOW that it's on ROOT, than before. Its a fact. Can't argue it.

MORE VIEWERS IS GOOD REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY CAN WATCH. MORE VIEWERSHIP MEANS YOU CAN CHARGE MORE FOR ADVERTISING. The whole thing is pretty simple.

 

[BonesJones]

They should just offer a Blazers Season Pass where you get all the games no matter when you live. Period.

Youtube Channel Memberships would do the job. Could livestream it on YouTube and only members who pay monthly to the Blazers channel would be able to see it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hold on, your DON'T need a service that lets you watch the Blazer games? Now I'm confused holmes. And YOU were the one in the above post whop said you don't care". Either get the service or don't. Your choice.

I don't need the service because there are free streams all over the internet.

If there were a reasonable standalone package, or even full on league pass with no blackouts, I would gladly buy it.

Artificial scarcity via blackouts and pushing cable packages on people is stupid. It just costs them viewers and good will.

Again. If they don't care enough to make it easily available at a reasonable price then I don't care enough to fight a cable company for decent rates. I'll just watch one of the dozens of easily available streams on my incredibly fast and cheap internet and encourage others to do the same.

No big deal.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Youtube Channel Members would do the job. Could livestream it on YouTube and only members who pay monthly to the Blazers channel would be able to see it.

Bingo. It would be incredibly easy and forward thinking.

 

[BonesJones]

We could do this all night. Tougher in Vancouver, oh well....more people can see it NOW that it's on ROOT, than before. Its a fact. Can't argue it.

MORE VIEWERS IS GOOD REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY CAN WATCH. MORE VIEWERSHIP MEANS YOU CAN CHARGE MORE FOR ADVERTISING. The whole thing is pretty simple.

Read the room.

Nobody here cares about if some random Alaskan or Montanian or Seattlelite can watch a team they don't care about. But the organization cares more about them than those who actually care about the team and want to watch them night in, night out, no matter if they're at home or not, and will even buy an entire TV package in to watch the Blazers as long as it's suitable. The Blazers didn't look out for their most diehard fans because they were chasing those numbers that you're trying to excuse them with. It doesn't.

There are no suitable ways to watch the team (legally) to watch this team away from home or on a PC. Xfinity on PC is extremely low quality, you cant watch it away from home, and you can't pause it. You can watch on ROOT Sports' website but only if they're not relegated to the "PLUS" channel (which they often are). FuboTV is a glitchy mess. Meanwhile, the organization didn't care if they ended up on services that don't have those problems (YoutubeTV, Hulu) and instead decided to push an outdated TV service that only made it through 25% of the season, while bragging about how Jimbo in Montana can now watch it out of boredom in his log cabin because his Comcast has it (numbers baby, numbers!)

I understand that you don't have the perspective of a fan, but the fact that you're so dismissive of the fans' perspective is exactly why people are mad at the organization that you try to claim has nothing to do with the distribution of their own broadcast production.

 

[blazerfan11]

if we could just watch the blazer games a la carte in the market like league pass allows people outside of the market to do, then there would hardly be any complaints.

i just can't justify the cost of cable with all the useless channels when all i would really use it for are games.

i already pay for netflix/prime/peacock/hulu and share pwds with family to watch hbo max. Adding a cost of $75-100 or whatever it is to a cable company just isn't worth it for me.

that said, i'm moving out of the market here in a few weeks once again and it will be so easy to watch games on LP once more (product certainly seems improved so far this year). i think this is the gripe most people have; it should not be easier/cheaper to watch games outside the market than it is within. And this battle is with the antiquated blackout restrictions that enable this kind of monopolizing by the local cable companies.

You hit the nail on the head.

"i think this is the gripe most people have; it should not be easier/cheaper to watch games outside the market than it is within."

 

[THE HCP]

I understand that you don't have the perspective of a fan, but the fact that you're so dismissive of the fans' perspective is exactly why people are mad at the organization that you try to claim has nothing to do with the distribution of their own broadcast production.

Just not sure why some on here don't understand. I'm not dismissive of the fans at all. MORE fans can watch. YOU might be upset about the situation, but MORE fans can watch. Plain and simple. This is a business. You think they care WHERE the fans are, no. Shouldn't need to type this, but the whole concept of the business is to make money. More viewers=More money. I've said it before, it's a simple concept. I'm not speaking for the team here, because I don't know the details or ins and outs, but this is what it all looks like that to me. The viewership numbers are up big time this season. So I'm sure that's a good thing as well. And you keep thinking the TEAM is making the streaming decisions on the broadcasts, that'll get you far.

 

[THE HCP]

You guys want to merge this with the 4 other FUCK BLAZERS BROADCASTING THEY HATE THE FANS STREAMING I CAN'T SEE THE GAMES MY WAY threads on here please. Would make it alot easier to explain how simple this situation is.

 

[BonesJones]

Just not sure why some on here don't understand. I'm not dismissive of the fans at all. MORE fans can watch. YOU might be upset about the situation, but MORE fans can watch. Plain and simple. This is a business. You think they care WHERE the fans are, no. Shouldn't need to type this, but the whole concept of the business is to make money. More viewers=More money. I've said it before, it's a simple concept. I'm not speaking for the team here, because I don't know the details or ins and outs, but this is what it all looks like that to me. The viewership numbers are up big time this season. So I'm sure that's a good thing as well. And you keep thinking the TEAM is making the streaming decisions on the broadcasts, that'll get you far.

I know it's a business, but this deal has been extremely short-sighted and the organization is losing money because of how many people watch illegal streams because they have no other viable option. I would hope views would be up going from a tanking season to a hot start, views have been up for me too (gotten pretty far). It is NOT a smart business decision to fall out of touch with your diehard fans to attract passive fans who aren't from Portland. Those aren't the fans that'll buy merch and tickets, or that'll talk to all their friends about the game, or drive engagement (and the eyeballs this orginzation is so desperate for) on social media. Instead, the organization gives these fans the impression that they don't care, and that is a bad long-term business decision all because they didn't negotiate strongly enough with a regional sports network.

That is ridiculous, because regional sports networks are trending away from the pay TV bundle that is driving these views, and the organization certainly doesn't need an RSN to distribute it's own in-house product on a subscription-based model. As I said, this entire thing has been short-sighted.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You guys want to merge this with the 4 other FUCK BLAZERS BROADCASTING THEY HATE THE FANS STREAMING I CAN'T SEE THE GAMES MY WAY threads on here please. Would make it alot easier to explain how simple this situation is.

I don't think anyone said "fuck blazers broadcasting".

More like fuck Blazer management who signs these deals that eff over the local fans and make it easier for people outside the market to watch Blazer games than it is for local fans.