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SlyPokerCat said:
Chris. I respect you so i'm more than happy to get a beer with you to go into full details. You're wrong here though, bud. They don't test every genetic syndrome. My wife is pregnant now, we even asked her dr. They don't test for many different syndromes. And many doctors don't know anything about these syndromes.

Textbooks are not always updated. People with the syndromes are living proof.
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Be glad to get a beer. I can't say they test for everything. I do know they did a variety of different tests for my unborn son, looking for markers for several defects/disorders. That's how they came across a marker for one. Luckily we both didn't have the marker and the gene was recessive or something and he didn't have it.

But, maybe I just had a good doctor or something.
 
I think due to lawsuits doctors are going to purposefully be vague about specific diagnosis and instead of going on a limb...suggest you get second or third opinions on special cases. If they get it wrong, it can come back to ruin their careers. It's a problem and many doctors would like TORT reform to allow them more freedom to follow their instincts without fear of retribution. As it stands many have their hands tied when it comes to diagnosing medical issues. Lots of...maybe...we'll see...we can try this...but the patient will be the one making a choice these days...not the doc
 
SlyPokerCat said:
There are no doctors in Portland for certain syndromes and many rural areas that have the necessary knowledge for specialized disorders. Sorry.
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I'm not sure how this has anything to do with my position.

I've never had a doctor refuse to help me find information about something. I've never heard of a doctor doing this. I'm pretty sure there would be grounds for a lawsuit here.

My co-worker was directed to Washington DC for his kid's condition.

I don't support doctors giving out misinformation, and I fully support an easily accessable database of all known medical conditions and treatments.

As long as there are no delays mandated for further information or examinations.

A woman should be fully within her rights to terminate any pregnancy for any reason. And doctors should be generally protected in prescribing and performing the procedures.
 
Chris Craig said:
Be glad to get a beer. I can't say they test for everything. I do know they did a variety of different tests for my unborn son, looking for markers for several defects/disorders. That's how they came across a marker for one. Luckily we both didn't have the marker and the gene was recessive or something and he didn't have it.

But, maybe I just had a good doctor or something.
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Plan it with @SlyPokerDog. I owe him a beer for being a great friend.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
They don't know any better. That's the problem. They don't have experience with everything and their egos get in the way. I had that happen to me. Hence, why i'm on the east coast right now and my kid just had a surgery here. A 12 hour surgery with no guarantees in Portla d versus a 2 hour surgery with guarantees and a plethora of before and after pictures of the work from the east coast doctor in the social media groups.

When you deal with doctors sometimes they care more about their resume than the outcome for the patient.
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I sincerely hope your child is ok and the surgery is successful.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Thanks. It went well. She will just have casts on her arms for 3 weeks. Our last doctor refused to cut them off (and previously told us he would, then changed his mind and the only way I found out was by calling to verify). He also said nobody at that hospital would do it for us. Ego because we didn't have him do it. So we are changing local hospitals and they said they cut casts for out of state surgeries all the time.
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He sounds like a complete asshole.

I'm glad you got it figured out and everything went well.
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
What if they only know information from outdated textbooks? That isn't nearly close to the truth nowadays with how these kids end up? Because that's where you end up with many rare disorders today.
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I suppose there are some doctors out there who rely solely on textbooks, but I suspect that most have learned to use a new-fangled thing called the Internet.

Edit: for some reason this showed as the latest reply, I see now that I'm responding to a older message. Feel free to ignore.

barfo
 
SlyPokerCat said:
The internet is littered with misinformation.

I'm telling ya'll, the absolute best place to learn about rare diseases/disorders/syndromes is in parent groups. You learn which doctors to go to, the do's and don'ts, which doctors have plenty of experience and see patients with said syndrome/disorder/disease.

Parents only let parents/caregivers into these groups to create a safe space.

The best knowledge for a doctor is continued learning and experience. Hard to get experience for these things when parents take their kids to the same doctors so their children aren't treated like resume padders and science projects.

If a doctor is experienced in throat surgeries, that doesn't mean they should perform a throat surgery on a child with a specific syndrome. Unless they have experience with that syndrome.

There are a lot of syndromes out there none of ya'll have ever heard of.
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I don't think anybody is disagreeing with this.

I just don't know what can be done to address it, aside from removing the profit motive from healthcare and implementing an easily searchable nationwide database...

Which sounds awesome. I'm all for it.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
The internet is littered with misinformation.

I'm telling ya'll, the absolute best place to learn about rare diseases/disorders/syndromes is in parent groups.
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And how do you access these parent groups? Do y'all meet in a basement somewhere? Or is it on... the internet?

If a doctor is experienced in throat surgeries, that doesn't mean they should perform a throat surgery on a child with a specific syndrome. Unless they have experience with that syndrome.

There are a lot of syndromes out there none of ya'll have ever heard of.
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No doubt. I think most doctors would agree with you on that as well. It's a bummer that you ran into one who didn't try to refer you to an appropriate specialist.

barfo
 
1. Doctors aren't perfect
2. Some are better than others
3. For major decisions, get a second opinion from a specialist
4. None of that has anything to do with forcing women to carry pregnancies against their will.
 
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crandc said:
Accused child sex trafficker Matt Gaetz came out with the same old line, women who talk about our rights are too ugly to be fucked.
That's their idea of political discourse.
I guess anyone over 18 is an old bag to Matty.
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Some people might think you are exaggerating if they haven't read or listened to his vile words. But holy shit, his speech was absolutely disgusting.


Like to the point that any Christian that supports him and a party that props him up is definitely on their way to hell (I don't believe in hell, but you get my point).

You Republicans and Christians need to police your own, or you will lose all respect and agency in politics.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This right here. Very well said. Republicans and Christians who aren't loudly denouncing this are killing their party and religion.
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I don't know who Matt Gaetz is, but it sounds like I don't want to.

I will say, if I had to take the time to denounce every person who claimed to be a Christian yet behaved in an unChristian way, I'd have little time for anything else.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't know who Matt Gaetz is, but it sounds like I don't want to.

I will say, if I had to take the time to denounce every person who claimed to be a Christian yet behaved in an unChristian way, I'd have little time for anything else.
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If you care about the popularity of Christianity I would suggest paying attention. It's not going to end well.

*And I don't mean that as an insult to you. It's literally just a suggestion.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If you care about the popularity of Christianity I would suggest paying attention. It's not going to end well.

*And I don't mean that as an insult to you. It's literally just a suggestion.
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The thing is, I literally don't care about "the popularity of Christianity". My role, scripturally, is to grow in my my relationship to God, to seek to glorify Him with my words, my actions, my life, to serve Him within my local church, to share His love with others through service in my local community, and if called to do so, to move outside of my community to spread the gospel. If in the course of those Biblical responsibilities, I encounter a member of the church community who is behaving in a way not befitting of the body of believers, then I have a responsibility to correct gently, with the goal of restoring relationship with God and others.

Jesus told a parable about seed being scattered in different types of ground; one of those was among thorns, in which the seed grew up and was choked by those thorns, thus remaining unfruitful. He then said that the thorns were representative of the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth. This is one of many reasons generally don't get involved in the political discussions on this board--I know that getting too wrapped up in worldly matters is only going to hinder me.

If I knew this guy personally, if he were part of my church body, I would absolutely speak to him and try to show him the error of his ways. I do not, so I will continue going on with my life, with my relationship with God, hoping that the love of Jesus and the peace of the Holy Spirit will shine through.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
, then I have a responsibility to correct gently, with the goal of restoring relationship with God and others.
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Amazingly (but really, unsurprisingly), my reading this morning fits in with this sentiment:

The Apostel Paul said:
All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
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The message of the Bible is not about control or about condemnation, but about reconciliation. God made a way for our relationship with Him to be restored, and our job is to continually pursue closeness in that relationship, while also sharing that way of reconciliation with others whom we encounter. So I'm not going to go out of my way to denounce people--especially people I don't know and have never met--because that doesn't really fit in with the message and goal of reconciliation with which I've been tasked.
 
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