OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

[crandc]

Texas supreme court ruled against women who filed suit challenging abortion ban. None of the women died so they weren't really harmed.

Another Texas woman almost died after delivering a healthy child. The placenta did not pass. This sometimes happens and is medical emergency. If placenta not removed the woman can bleed out or go into sepsis. Standard of care is dilation and curettage which scoops out uterine lining. But D & C is also used for abortion so doctor couldn't do the procedure even though the woman was not pregnant. They left her until placenta became septic, then took her to intensive care, extremely sick, to remove placenta. In normal circumstances a 15 minute procedure done under local anesthesia.
They want women to die.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Two Georgia women died due to lack of care. One woman had sepsis. She needed a D&C but it is illegal. She waited 20 hours until she was close enough to death to be allowed treatment but it was too late.

I've just read through the text of Georgia's LIFE act and see nothing therein that makes D&C illegal. Can you help point me to what I'm missing? If doctors failed to perform a legal, medically-necessary procedure in a timely fashion (as certainly seems to be the case here), that sounds like medical malpractice to me.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I've just read through the text of Georgia's LIFE act and see nothing therein that makes D&C illegal. Can you help point me to what I'm missing? If doctors failed to perform a legal, medically-necessary procedure in a timely fashion (as certainly seems to be the case here), that sounds like medical malpractice to me.

If the risk is medical malpractice (which nobody is going to get you on in the situation Georgia doctors are in) or jail for murder which one are you going to be more afraid of?

 

[crandc]

I've just read through the text of Georgia's LIFE act and see nothing therein that makes D&C illegal. Can you help point me to what I'm missing? If doctors failed to perform a legal, medically-necessary procedure in a timely fashion (as certainly seems to be the case here), that sounds like medical malpractice to me.

Because law is vaguely worded, on purpose, so doctors really are afraid. They could lose their license or go to jail. Because D&C is used for abortion it could be interpreted as falling under ban.
Essentially, doctors in these states are making medical decisions out of fear.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If the risk is medical malpractice (which nobody is going to get you on in the situation Georgia doctors are in) or jail for murder which one are you going to be more afraid of?

Because law is vaguely worded, on purpose, so doctors really are afraid. They could lose their license or go to jail. Because D&C is used for abortion it could be interpreted as falling under ban.
Essentially, doctors in these states are making medical decisions out of fear.

Again, having read the act, the law specifically (not at all vaguely) defines a "detectable human heartbeat" as the sole determining factor of whether an unborn child would be considered a living human, so the act wouldn't have even been relevant in the situation mentioned (since the abortion had already been completed). So "jail for murder" would not have been a consideration.

Fear is often based in ignorance, and this is no exception.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Again, having read the act, the law specifically (not at all vaguely) defines a "detectable human heartbeat" as the sole determining factor of whether an unborn child would be considered a living human, so the act wouldn't have even been relevant in the situation mentioned (since the abortion had already been completed). So "jail for murder" would not have been a consideration.

Fear is often based in ignorance, and this is no exception.

Good point.

I wonder if this is partially due to lack of OB-GYNs? Over half the counties in Georgia don't even have a single OB-GYN. They've all left due to the abortion laws.

I have specifically heard doctors complaining about how afraid they are to perform care in states with these kinds of laws. Without knowing the ins and outs or how doctors are actually being treated in the specific states it's tough to know what their thought process might be.

 

[e_blazer]

Let me tell you about the case of my grandson. After conception, the fertilized egg split in two and at her first ultrasound my daughter-in-law was told she was carrying twins. Unfortunately, a later ultrasound revealed that the splitting of the egg had been imperfect and that one fetus was nonviable. The skull was not formed correctly, the brain was partially outside of it, and there were numerous other defects. It probably would not survive to birth and, when it died, a phenomenon known as twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome would likely kill the healthy twin. My son and his wife, both devout Christians, had to make the decision as to whether to let nature take its course and almost certainly lose both twins, or to have a procedure done to intentionally sever the umbilical cord to the deformed twin. They chose life and watched on the monitor as the cord was cut and one beating heart slowly died. Today we have a healthy, brilliant and talented grandson who this year will graduate high school. They celebrate the birthday of both twins every year. How is a choice like that to be made by anyone but the parents?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Let me tel you about the case of my grandson. After conception, the fertilized egg split in two and at her first ultrasound my daughter-in-law was told she was carrying twins. Unfortunately, a later ultrasound revealed that the splitting of the egg had been imperfect and that one fetus was nonviable. The skull was not formed correctly, the brain was partially outside of it, and there were numerous other defects. It probably would not survive to birth and, when it died, a phenomenon known as twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome would likely kill the healthy twin. My son and his wife, both devout Christians, had to make the decision as to whether to let nature take its course and almost certainly loose both twins, or to have a procedure done to intentionally sever the umbilical cord to the deformed twin. They chose life and watched on the monitor as the cord was cut and one beating heart slowly died. Today we have a healthy, brilliant and talented grandson who this year will graduate high school. They celebrate the birthday of both twins every year. How is a choice like that to be made by anyone but the parents?

Wow, thank you for sharing something so personal from your family.

And yes, that is a choice that needs to be made by the parents and not government.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Let me tel you about the case of my grandson. After conception, the fertilized egg split in two and at her first ultrasound my daughter-in-law was told she was carrying twins. Unfortunately, a later ultrasound revealed that the splitting of the egg had been imperfect and that one fetus was nonviable. The skull was not formed correctly, the brain was partially outside of it, and there were numerous other defects. It probably would not survive to birth and, when it died, a phenomenon known as twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome would likely kill the healthy twin. My son and his wife, both devout Christians, had to make the decision as to whether to let nature take its course and almost certainly loose both twins, or to have a procedure done to intentionally sever the umbilical cord to the deformed twin. They chose life and watched on the monitor as the cord was cut and one beating heart slowly died. Today we have a healthy, brilliant and talented grandson who this year will graduate high school. They celebrate the birthday of both twins every year. How is a choice like that to be made by anyone but the parents?

That would be unimaginably difficult. Fortunately, the text of the LIFE act also has very clear definitions of and provisions permitting abortions of "medically futile" pregnancies, permitting parents to make heart-rending decisions such as this.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A Georgia Woman Has Died After an Abortion Ban Delayed Lifesaving Care
Amber Nicole Thurman’s death from an infection in 2022 is believed to be the first confirmed maternal fatality linked to post-Roe bans.

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...fter-an-abortion-ban-delayed-lifesaving-care/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[crandc]

Another Georgia woman, 41 years old, three children, multiple health problems, became pregnant by accident. Unable to get an abortion, she tried to do it herself and died. Her son said she was trying to terminate her pregnancy, not terminate herself.

This is what right to life calls victory.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Not a victory. A tragedy. A woman lost her life, and a family lost their mother. I would be shocked to find any organization presenting this story as a positive. There is nothing good in this story.

I do wonder--if a firearms ban were passed, and afterward someone attempted to controvert said ban by building their own gun, and accidentally killed themself in the process, would we blame the law?

 

[crandc]

Not a victory. A tragedy. A woman lost her life, and a family lost their mother. I would be shocked to find any organization presenting this story as a positive. There is nothing good in this story.

I do wonder--if a firearms ban were passed, and afterward someone attempted to controvert said ban by building their own gun, and accidentally killed themself in the process, would we blame the law?

Not comparable. No one is trying to ban all guns. And firearms are not a necessary medical procedure.

Of course anti woman groups won't publicly cheer this woman dying. But abortion bans kill women. Not a secret. I have been a clinic escort. I have heard them. Saying in so many words they have no compassion for a woman who died of illegal abortion or treatable complications because any woman getting an abortion deserves whatever happens.
Yes, it is what they consider a victory. The slut was punished.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No one is trying to ban all guns.

It's not hard to find people that want precisely that. Here's one. https://advocate.jbu.edu/2023/02/09/please-just-ban-guns-already

And firearms are not a necessary medical procedure.

Georgia law permits medically necessary abortions. Have you read the text of the statute yet?

 

[crandc]

It's not hard to find people that want precisely that. Here's one. https://advocate.jbu.edu/2023/02/09/please-just-ban-guns-already


Georgia law permits medically necessary abortions. Have you read the text of the statute yet?

Theoretically. But wording is so vague and penalties so severe doctors and hospitals are afraid to do procedures. And women have died.

 

[crandc]

A Louisiana woman was having a miscarriage. The hospital turned her away because to aid her would be prohibited under total abortion ban. She went home but pain and bleeding worsened. She went to another hospital and was turned away. She miscarried at home with no health care. Fortunately she survived. Others won't. Punish the sluts!

 

[crandc]

Trump mansplained to women that he did a great thing for us ending Roe and some day we will understand.

 

[PCmor7]

With the Georgia Supreme Court returning the state's abortion ban to 6 weeks, I think it also was appropriate to relive this year-old video of conservative pundit Steven Crowder verbally and mentally abusing his pregnant wife.

 

[crandc]

Sally Field shared the story of going to Tijuana for illegal abortion when she was 17.
https://www.instagram.com/sallyfield/reel/DAymdM8udzI/

 

[crandc]

Attorneys general of three states have sued FDA to block access to medication abortion for young women. They say states have compelling interest in teens giving birth. Births have not significantly increased since abortion was outlawed because young woman still have access to abortion medication. They claim smaller population means less representation and resources for their states, hence state interest in forced birth.

Not making this up.

 

[barfo]

Attorneys general of three states have sued FDA to block access to medication abortion for young women. They say states have compelling interest in teens giving birth. Births have not significantly increased since abortion was outlawed because young woman still have access to abortion medication. They claim smaller population means less representation and resources for their states, hence state interest in forced birth.

Not making this up.

Seems like they should sue the border patrol to stop interdiction efforts, then. More immigrants would increase the population.

barfo

 

[crandc]

Seems like they should sue the border patrol to stop interdiction efforts, then. More immigrants would increase the population.

barfo

They want white babies.

 

[beast blazer]

They want white babies.

Ironic you say that, since black babies are aborted at far higher rates than white.

 

[Phatguysrule]

 

[crandc]

A Florida mother of two had to race to save her life. Pregnant with her third child, the fetus, instead of growing in the uterus normally, had attached to a scar from a previous Caesarean section. The fetus was not viable. When it started growing, the woman's uterus would rupture, causing hemorrhage, putting her life in danger.

She was six weeks and three days pregnant. Florida bans abortion after six weeks. The law pretends to have exception for woman's life. When her doctor tried to get permission to terminate the pregnancy, the medical director said no. Because there was still a heartbeat, she would have to wait until uterus ruptured so she would be in immediate danger.

Doctor warned flying could accelerate possiblity of rupture, so her husband drove her and her children breakneck speed to New York. She got there in time to save her life.

What about women without the resources to travel out of state?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Inside the U.S. Government-Bought Tool That Can Track Phones at Abortion Clinics

Privacy advocates gained access to a powerful tool bought by U.S. law enforcement agencies that can track smartphone locations around the world. Abortion clinics, places of worship, and individual people can all be monitored without a warrant.

Listen to the podcast

 

[Everything Beagle]

The internet, despite being the place where I met the love of my life, was a mistake and will be the undoing of our civilization. The Butlerian Jihad was right.

 

[crandc]

Texas woman died due to abortion ban. She was 17 weeks pregnant with her wanted second child when she began to miscarry. The fetus was not expelled. For 40 hours, with her husband, she begged for help, her uterus exposed. Because fetus still had heartbeat, it was a crime to remove it even with no chance of survival. Three days after fetus finally was expelled, she died of infection.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Texas woman died due to abortion ban. She was 17 weeks pregnant with her wanted second child when she began to miscarry. The fetus was not expelled. For 40 hours, with her husband, she begged for help, her uterus exposed. Because fetus still had heartbeat, it was a crime to remove it even with no chance of survival. Three days after fetus finally was expelled, she died of infection.

Brutal.