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MARIS61 said:
Denny Crane said:
That's what you expect from a Republican-run witchhunt.

It only supports my post.

Since it pertains to private and personal relationships and that had no bearing on his duties as President, it's better left to the National Enquirer.

This thread is about fraud, tax evasion, and the systematic undermining of American workers for personal profit.
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Tin foil hat stuff. There's no fraud, just a fevered WISH that there might be. You defend Clinton, yet you deny Romney the same benefit of the doubt.

Clinton lied under oath. He abused his position to derail the legal process and to deny a dirt poor woman a fair day in court. He was rebuked for it by every level of the legal system, and impeached for it.

No officer of any court has charged Romney with any crime, let alone found guilty of anything.
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Do people on this board really think Romney committed a felony?
 
I wouldn't put it past him. Everything I've seen/read of him doesn't lead me to believe there's any halo over his head.

Hell I still don't even know what his stances on many issues are; just as soon as I think I know, he flip flops. But it doesn't matter..the only thing Romney's winning is a plane ticket home.
 
MARIS61 said:
The income range you cite will pay less, not more for insurance. I've never met or even heard of anyone in that income range who'd rather not have healthcare if they could afford it.

Being a member of the middle class currently I've looked into it and I believe it will allow us to once again obtain health insurance in 2014 when the pre-condition clause kicks in. We've been without insurance for about 2 years now because our premiums more than doubled over a 3 year period. Until the economy recovers we'll most likely be somewhat subsidized under Romneycare and companies will have to let us back in, which they will not do now at any price. Once the RE market rebounds and I'm rolling in dough I'll have no resentment to being asked to help those in similarly hopeless situations.
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A $10,000 deductible insurance policy costs between $30 and $50/month. ObamaCare costs more than that.
 
TehChad said:
I wouldn't put it past him. Everything I've seen/read of him doesn't lead me to believe there's any halo over his head.

Hell I still don't even know what his stances on many issues are; just as soon as I think I know, he flip flops. But it doesn't matter..the only thing Romney's winning is a plane ticket home.
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What character issues have you read about Mitt Romney?
 
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MARIS61 said:
The income range you cite will pay less, not more for insurance. I've never met or even heard of anyone in that income range who'd rather not have healthcare if they could afford it.

Being a member of the middle class currently I've looked into it and I believe it will allow us to once again obtain health insurance in 2014 when the pre-condition clause kicks in. We've been without insurance for about 2 years now because our premiums more than doubled over a 3 year period. Until the economy recovers we'll most likely be somewhat subsidized under Romneycare and companies will have to let us back in, which they will not do now at any price. Once the RE market rebounds and I'm rolling in dough I'll have no resentment to being asked to help those in similarly hopeless situations.
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Did it ever occur to you to take care of yourself rather than force me and others to subsidize your life? I know my message is harsh, but have you really taken every step you could to provide health insurance for your family? You're on here posting a lot. You could find a full or part time job instead of posting here. You could sell a car. You could sell your house--if you have one--or sell some of your personal property. It's what people used to do when hard times came.

And by the way, you should really ask yourself why your premiums have increased dramatically. Hint: It's not because of "greedy" insurance companies.
 
MARIS61 said:
If that were true, Bain's American companies would pay their Asian employees the same they were paying the American employees they replaced them with.

Face it, Romney made his hundreds of millions of dollars by exploiting slaves, mostly children. He's in the same league as Sandusky.
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Instead you want these children to make three times as less. People get paid based upon marginal revenue product, so try again dude.


I meant no one deserves anything. We are not entitled to jobs, but people think Americans automatically deserve them. But Americans are more skilled than people in other countries, it doesn't make sense to pay everyone the same. Basic economics, basic reason why almost all economists believe in free trade.

Face it, Obama's friends support the same companies and they make sense economically. If you raise wages then those jobs come back here, but less gets produced.
 
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MARIS61 said:
And unfortunately, the best candidates are people whom we never hear of.
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The point is many of Obama's friends support the same companies, like rattner, booker, ford, rendell, feinstein, coons. Brah.

Stop bitching, poor people in other countries getting jobs is fine with me, Americans are not entitled to anything.
 
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Don't forget to add that $10,000 deductible, which almost no middle-class family can cover anyway. It brings the cost of insurance to $15,000-$20,000 per year + their co-pays + the myriad of things a catastrophic plan refuses to cover.

An actual serious illness will cost tens of thousands or hundreds of thpousands more in uncovered costs.

You guys are absolutely clueless about the cost of healthcare. It's the leading cause of death in America.
 
MARIS61 said:
Don't forget to add that $10,000 deductible, which almost no middle-class family can cover anyway. It brings the cost of insurance to $15,000-$20,000 per year + their co-pays + the myriad of things a catastrophic plan refuses to cover.

An actual serious illness will cost tens of thousands or hundreds of thpousands more in uncovered costs.

You guys are absolutely clueless about the cost of healthcare. It's the leading cause of death in America.
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You are the clueless one. $10K deductible means no bankruptcy if there's a serious illness. The typical stuff costs $100 a visit to a clinic maybe a couple times a year.
 
Don't forget that healthy people shouldn't be buying healthcare.

If it's so bad then Private charity already exists for extreme cases. The government has shown an inability to create wealth or address insolvency.
 
huevonkiller said:
Instead you want these children to make three times as less. People get paid based upon marginal revenue product, so try again dude.


I meant no one deserves anything. We are not entitled to jobs, but people think Americans automatically deserve them. But Americans are more skilled than people in other countries, it doesn't make sense to pay everyone the same. Basic economics, basic reason why almost all economists believe in free trade.

Face it, Obama's friends support the same companies and they make sense economically. If you raise wages then those jobs come back here, but less gets produced.
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The fact is Romney profits from the labors of child-slaves working in horrific conditions those employers would be jailed for if they tried it in America. He's the American Joseph Kony.
 
MARIS61 said:
The fact is Romney profits from the labors of child-slaves working in horrific conditions those employers would be jailed for if they tried it in America. He's the American Joseph Kony.
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So you're making the argument that we should pay these kids 1/3 of what they're currently making?

The reality is none of what you're saying makes sense, all this is voluntary and their parents are smart to let them work there. There's a reason most left-wing economists agree with me.
 
And raising the minimum wage raises the unemployment rate in the US, maybe you should rethink your complaining.
 
Denny Crane said:
You are the clueless one. $10K deductible means no bankruptcy if there's a serious illness. The typical stuff costs $100 a visit to a clinic maybe a couple times a year.
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"Typical stuff" is a term that means nothing. Chemotherapy, loss of the ability to work for a year or more (sorry we'll have to cancel your insurance), uncovered lab tests alone can run into the tens of thousands, childcare, and you're talking out of your ass when you think there's some sort of protection from bankruptcy caused by medical debts. Medical debts are currently the leading cause of bankruptcy and the leading cause of home foreclosures. Most likely the leading cause of suicide also.

I'm happy for you that you're rich enough to be able to mock the less fortunate and spit on the graves of their loved ones, and for huevonkiller that he's young enough to have no painfully personal knowledge of anything he's spouting off about here, but maybe you ought to post about something you know about.

The actual cost of healthcare in America ain't it.
 
huevonkiller said:
So you're making the argument that we should pay these kids 1/3 of what they're currently making?
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We should pay them the Federal minimum wage, or not replace American workers with foreign child-slaves. Anything less is a crime against humanity.
 
MARIS61 said:
"Typical stuff" is a term that means nothing. Chemotherapy, loss of the ability to work for a year or more (sorry we'll have to cancel your insurance), uncovered lab tests alone can run into the tens of thousands, childcare, and you're talking out of your ass when you think there's some sort of protection from bankruptcy caused by medical debts. Medical debts are currently the leading cause of bankruptcy and the leading cause of home foreclosures. Most likely the leading cause of suicide also.

I'm happy for you that you're rich enough to be able to mock the less fortunate and spit on the graves of their loved ones, and for huevonkiller that he's young enough to have no painfully personal knowledge of anything he's spouting off about here, but maybe you ought to post about something you know about.

The actual cost of healthcare in America ain't it.
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It doesn't matter, Denny's not your servant and he doesn't have to give you anything. Go to a private charity, or get a loan.
 
MARIS61 said:
We should pay them the Federal minimum wage, or not replace American workers with foreign child-slaves. Anything less is a crime against humanity.
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Good I'm glad you admitted it already, you want Americans to steal their jobs at an overpriced rate.

The minimum wage creates unemployment and homelessness. And at the minimum wage level they would be overpaid. I'm more qualified than them and will get a job instead.

So big companies will come back here and leave them worse off. Like I said stop whining like a kid.
 
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huevonkiller said:
It doesn't matter, Denny's not your servant and he doesn't have to give you anything. Go to a private charity, or get a loan.
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Denny has done quite well at the expense of thousands of less fortunate Americans so I'll shed no tears for him at all. He will bear no extra cost at all from Romneycare since his company offers him a extremely nice health insurance package at a fraction of what most Americans would have to pay if they had the means. Your redundant reference to charities and loans (these are no more real than the tooth fairy) implies you still live at home with your parents who have taken great pains to shelter you from the real world.
 
huevonkiller said:
Good I'm glad you admitted it already, you want Americans to steal their jobs at an overpriced rate.

The minimum wage creates unemployment and homelessness. And at the minimum wage level they would be overpaid. I'm more qualified than them and will get a job instead.

So big companies will come back here and leave them worse off. Like I said stop whining like a kid.
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This post demonstrates you lack basic reading comprehension skills, which leads me to believe that you aren't qualified for much of anything. I wonder who types your posts for you? :dunno:
 
Here's how Romney made his fortune:

http://www.commondreams.org/views/031600-102.htm

POVOADO DE JOSE VALERIO, Brazil –– About a dozen children, ages 9 to 15, straggled into the sisal farms in and around this village at 7 a.m., faces still pinched with sleep as they prepared to begin their 10-hour workday.
Some of the children sharpened long knives and machetes for their dangerous toil--cutting, piling and hauling the long, leathery leaves of the plant that will become, among other things, rugs, rope and handbags to be sold in the United States and elsewhere. The sharp blades and processing machines used in the fields have left many children and their parents with punctured eyeballs, missing fingers, scarred legs and amputated arms.

"I saw a boy lose his hand," said Valdinei dos Santos Goncalves, 14, who has worked on sisal farms since he was 8. "He had it one minute, and then he didn't have it the next. He was working with the [sisal shredder]. He was crying a lot, and he was bleeding--on his clothes, on the ground. I think it was his left hand."

The youths working here are among an estimated 250 million child laborers between ages 5 and 14 worldwide, most of whom toil in fields and factories in developing countries, and whose plight is spurring new controversy as the global economy becomes increasingly interconnected.


Only a person with absolutely no moral conscience would support someone like that.
 
That's how Obama became rich, you mean.

See how easy it is to lie?
 
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