OT Ron Desantis Under fire for Racist Comment

[barfo]

I’ll leave it where I want to leave it. DeSantis was not “describing” anyone whatsoever. He was telling his audience that his opponent should not trying fucking with a local economy that was doing well.

That's not correct, even if you assume no racism. How about "He was telling his audience that they (and the Florida electorate in general) should not try fucking with a local economy that was doing well by electing his opponent."

Saying his opponent should not try to fuck with the economy is equivalent to admitting that his opponent is going to win, which I'm sure was not what he was trying to say.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

act like monkey hasn't been a pejorative to describe us is utter crap

No act here, and it surely has. But it doesn't mean the word is official the pejorative you think it is. Nor is it a pejorative depending on the person speaking as @Further said. Monkey something up is just like throwing a Monkey wrench in the works to all honest men, black or white. The dishonest can be counted on for another view similar those throwing the Monkey wrench in the works.

 

[dviss1]

No act here, and it surely has. But it doesn't mean the word is official the pejorative you think it is. Nor is it a pejorative depending on the person speaking as @Further said. Monkey something up is just like throwing a Monkey wrench in the works to all honest men, black or white. The dishonest can be counted on for another view similar those throwing the Monkey wrench in the works.

More bullshit?

Jesus I'm so tired of you trying to rewrite history and act like shit doesn't exist.

It's well known racists have called us monkey.

Please don't respond to this. I'm tired of going back and forth with you over this. Your stance is utter bullshit.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

That's not correct, even if you assume no racism. How about "He was telling his audience that they (and the Florida electorate in general) should not try fucking with a local economy that was doing well by electing his opponent."

Saying his opponent should not try to fuck with the economy is equivalent to admitting that his opponent is going to win, which I'm sure was not what he was trying to say.

barfo

Your semantics are a bit more accurate than mine but mean the same in general. My point is that the supposed racism is nothing more than a red herring. And anyone who truly believes this guy was using it as a “dog whistle” needs to clean the shit out of their ears. This whole “issue” is nothing more than politics as usual......

 

[MarAzul]

It's well known racists have called us monkey.

Yes I know. I never said they did not.
I am saying the use of the word Monkey does not always ID a racist, nor is necessarily intended you piss you off, although you may proceed to be if you wish.

 

[MARIS61]

That's not correct, even if you assume no racism. How about "He was telling his audience that they (and the Florida electorate in general) should not try fucking with a local economy that was doing well by electing his opponent."

Saying his opponent should not try to fuck with the economy is equivalent to admitting that his opponent is going to win, which I'm sure was not what he was trying to say.

barfo

Again, not what he said.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I hear FOX is hiring too.

 

[dviss1]

He was not describing any person at all.

Your obvious failures at reading compression, unbelievably so, eliminates your chances of credibility.

It's obvious you're presenting an argument you know is false.

The good news for you is that CNN is hiring.

You don't do a good job of reading.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Turns out that story isn't true, at least according to wikipedia.

barfo

There goes my childhood

 

[dviss1]

Yes I know. I never said they did not.
I am saying the use of the word Monkey does not always ID a racist, nor is necessarily intended you piss you off, although you may proceed to be if you wish.

No one said it was always racist. Literally no one.

So it makes no sense to say sometimes it's not racist.

In this forum, I don't think I've seen anyone say it is. Why argue that it isn't with people who never said it was?

 

[dviss1]

He was not describing any person at all.

Your obvious failures at reading compression, unbelievably so, eliminates your chances of credibility.

It's obvious you're presenting an argument you know is false.

The good news for you is that CNN is hiring.

Did you read any of my posts in this thread?

I've never asserted that it was racist. Now, your personal attacks on my reading comprehension, are really getting on my nerves. Stop. Because you OBVIOUSLY didn't read my post...

 

[barfo]

There goes my childhood

You can always have a second one.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

No one said it was always racist. Literally no one.

So it makes no sense to say sometimes it's not racist.

In this forum, I don't think I've seen anyone say it is. Why argue that it isn't with people who never said it was?

>>>The trend below is to label it racist instead of an honest inference logical people take.

I don’t know it was intentional dog whistle racism but in today’s world I think the chances are greater that it was intentional.

an attempt to demean African-Americans. I just draw the line at demeaning any racial group of people.

Overall, it’s good to confront racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.

but who is saying it, where he is saying it. Who he is trying to get to support him, I think the likelihood of it being racist skyrockets.

It's well known racists have called us monkey.

 

[MARIS61]

More bullshit?

Jesus I'm so tired of you trying to rewrite history and act like shit doesn't exist.

It's well known racists have called us monkey.

Please don't respond to this. I'm tired of going back and forth with you over this. Your stance is utter bullshit.

It's also well documented all kinds of people of all races were called monkies, often as a compliment.

My mother often referred to my brother and I as little monkeys and it was certainly not meant as an insult.

In baseball it has always been the ultimate compliment, referring to a highly-agile, highly-intelligent hustling player who seems to always be in the right place at the right time, always pushing the envelope, sacrificing his body without a second thought.

This term was used long before the game included multiple ethnicities, as I have previously pointed out in previous threads.

I myself am highly praised as being "a real tough monkey" by Detroit Tigers legend Jo-Jo White in the book "ROGER MARIS HOME RUN HERO" by Leonard Shecter, Bartholomew house, Inc. 1961. Page 45.

 

[MARIS61]

Did you read any of my posts in this thread?

I've never asserted that it was racist. Now, your personal attacks on my reading comprehension, are really getting on my nerves. Stop. Because you OBVIOUSLY didn't read my post...

dviss1 said: ↑

It's well known racists have called us monkey.

Bottom line, you shouldn't use the word monkey when describing black people.

 

[Further]

He's stupid for saying it. He's doubling down on his stupidity.

It was a stupid thing to say. He's gonna lose anyway.

I wouldn’t go that far. See, that’s the problem with dog whistles.

Let’s put aside the question for the moment of if this incident was a dog whistle and assume it was. The use of the term is very beneficial to the candidate on the right because :
1) actual racist people read between the lines and support him, and
2) many non racist people hear this man being attacked for using what they consider innocent language and they feel the attackers are being unfair and they throw their support to the GOP candidate.

The only people who see this as a dog whistle AND are bothered by it wouldn’t vote for that candidate in the first place.



Sucks, but there is a reason why these Dow whistles have become so prevalent in recent years. If you are on the right you gain support from both racists and non-racists who are conservative or libertarian.

 

[MarAzul]

I wouldn’t go that far. See, that’s the problem with dog whistles.

Let’s put aside the question for the moment of if this incident was a dog whistle and assume it was. The use of the term is very beneficial to the candidate on the right because :
1) actual racist people read between the lines and support him, and
2) many non racist people hear this man being attacked for using what the consider innocent language and they feel the attackers are being unfair and do they throw their support to the GOZp candidate.

The only people who see this as a dog whistle AND are bothered by it wouldn’t vote for that candidate in the first place.



Sucks, but there is a reason why these Dow whistles have become so prevalent in recent years. If you are on the right you gain support from both racists and non-racists who are conservative or libertarian.

Good show further. I was going to bring this up but got lazy, too much to type.
Now all we need to do is identify who invents the dog whistles, one by one. Perhaps invent is not the right word, I suppose convert may well be the case. It works to the liberal advantage until the conservatives and libertarian learn the game.

Of course, these are not only brought forth for politics. I think business interest often are the orgin. I long suspecte Cosell fell to that interest. Probably Jimmy the Greek also.

 

[Lanny]

You did too notice. You often try to play dumb. It's annoying.

You know this too is a monkey wrench:

There's no doubt in my mind about DeSantis' dog whistle. What a guttural thing to do.

 

[Lanny]

I wouldn’t go that far. See, that’s the problem with dog whistles.

Let’s put aside the question for the moment of if this incident was a dog whistle and assume it was. The use of the term is very beneficial to the candidate on the right because :
1) actual racist people read between the lines and support him, and
2) many non racist people hear this man being attacked for using what they consider innocent language and they feel the attackers are being unfair and they throw their support to the GOP candidate.

The only people who see this as a dog whistle AND are bothered by it wouldn’t vote for that candidate in the first place.



Sucks, but there is a reason why these Dow whistles have become so prevalent in recent years. If you are on the right you gain support from both racists and non-racists who are conservative or libertarian.

Just because it doesn't affect the vote count doesn't make it right.

 

[dviss1]

Good show further. I was going to bring this up but got lazy, too much to type.
Now all we need to do is identify who invents the dog whistles, one by one. Perhaps invent is not the right word, I suppose convert may well be the case. It works to the liberal advantage until the conservatives and libertarian learn the game.

Of course, these are not only brought forth for politics. I think business interest often are the orgin. I long suspecte Cosell fell to that interest. Probably Jimmy the Greek also.

Did you read his post?? He said it was a dog whistle for the GOP.... and it looks like you agree.

 

[barfo]

JACKSONVILLE, FL—Facing backlash for warning voters not to “monkey this up” and vote for his black political opponent, Andrew Gillum, Republican gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis held a press conference Thursday to clarify that his comments were intended as a subtle enough dog whistle to racists that he could escape blame. “Many of my critics on the left fail to understand that my words were simply meant to fly under the radar and reach an intended audience without repercussions,” said DeSantis, lamenting that his code words caused a media firestorm when his only objective was to target a specific bigoted group that agreed with the message. “This whole media outcry is, frankly, overblown. People are acting like I threw out an actual racial slur when what I actually said was a harmless piece of rhetoric that’s been used to dehumanize black people for centuries. If anything, folks should be upset that ‘monkey this up’ isn’t a real idiom.” DeSantis concluded his press conference by issuing an apology to “Mayor Gillum and his family” followed by a sly wink.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

 

[dviss1]

barfo

Ok, that was HILARIOUS!

 

[Lanny]

Did you read his post?? He said it was a dog whistle for the GOP.... and it looks like you agree.

Yep, I whole heartedly agree.

 

[Lanny]

It's also well documented all kinds of people of all races were called monkies, often as a compliment.

My mother often referred to my brother and I as little monkeys and it was certainly not meant as an insult.

In baseball it has always been the ultimate compliment, referring to a highly-agile, highly-intelligent hustling player who seems to always be in the right place at the right time, always pushing the envelope, sacrificing his body without a second thought.

This term was used long before the game included multiple ethnicities, as I have previously pointed out in previous threads.

I myself am highly praised as being "a real tough monkey" by Detroit Tigers legend Jo-Jo White in the book "ROGER MARIS HOME RUN HERO" by Leonard Shecter, Bartholomew house, Inc. 1961. Page 45.

I've never heard monkey used as a compliment. That's a first. I've heard it used plenty of times always in reference to an African-American in a harshly demeaning tone.

I suggest you never use that term when talking about an African-American and you're in polite company.

 

[Further]

>>>The trend below is to label it racist instead of an honest inference logical people take.

The three quotes you used of mine don’t show the trend. Quote 1 I said explicitly that I didn’t know if it was racism. Quote two was not talking about the question of this statement but a discussion regarding why it is important to point out racism when you recognize it.
Quote 3 does not say it’s racist either, just that when you take into account context then the likelihood increases significantly.

You might look for more on-point quotes to prove your point.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If this guy is a racist I promise you there will be other things that he's said that will come to light.

 

[Further]

Just because it doesn't affect the vote count doesn't make it right.

I agree totally with your statement. And, my hope is that in the long run pointing out racism, homophobia, sexism... becomes beneficial in reducing such nastiness. But we need to understand that we are playing the long (and ethical) game and that short game we often look petty and overly sensitive.

 

[Further]

If this guy is a racist I promise you there will be other things that he's said that will come to light.

That’s true if he is a real racist.

However, if he is just willing to walk this line to pick up voters then there may not be a history. It’s very possible he is calculating and is using these dog whistles to appeal to his potential voters. After all, he is a politician.

 

[Lanny]

I agree totally with your statement. And, my hope is that in the long run pointing out racism, homophobia, sexism... becomes beneficial in reducing such nastiness. But we need to understand that we are playing the long (and ethical) game and that short game we often look petty and overly sensitive.

I only disagree with the short game analysis. It never looks petty and overly sensitive to stand up for what's right unless the viewer has significant problems.