Roy Felt "Hurt" He Didn't Play More

[magnifier661]

I don't give a rats arse how talented a player is, it's not an excuse to have a poor attitude.

Roy needs to suck it up, and do what's best for the team.

This is the playoffs FFS!

Maybe the Rock can say it better:

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Hahahahahaha!!!!! I just can't take skitted shit seriously! Okay, so then that same thing applies to Fernandez and Miller. SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH EVERYONE!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Of course games being played in the regular season are less meaningful compared to playoff games. Doesn't take away from being a "bad teammate", and there's never a good time for that. You either are one or you aren't.

OK, so by your definition, is Brandon Roy a bad teammate? If so, why are you defending him so vehemently?

BNM

 

[DUB]

Hahahahahaha!!!!! I just can't take skitted shit seriously! Okay, so then that same thing applies to Fernandez and Miller. SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH EVERYONE!

At the moment, yes.

We don't need anyone crying to the media about anything right now.

 

[magnifier661]

OK, so by your definition, is Brandon Roy a bad teammate? If so, why are you defending him so vehemently?

BNM

Newsflash... Roy isn't defending him. He is stating that Roy has been treated way worse than any other player in the Blazers for doing the same damn thing! He isn't bashing Miller, Fernandez or Roy. He is bashing all of them for their comments and actions equally!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Newsflash... Roy isn't defending him. He is stating that Roy has been treated way worse than any other player in the Blazers for doing the same damn thing! He isn't bashing Miller, Fernandez or Roy. He is bashing all of them for their comments and actions equally!

Really???

Roy didn't complain as much as he was hurt and disappointed by the situation. When he's venting it's not just because of a single game...it's coming from a guy that sees his career going down the toilet. It's amazing that some people can't see that part of it. It's much more than just "complaining" about minutes.

Sounds an awful lot like he's defending Roy to me.

I still maintain Miller saying "I wouldn't have come here if I knew I was going to be a bench player" to be bush league. It shows absolutely no sacrifice for his new team that had just won 54 games without him. At that point Miller had proven nothing to his new teammates and he came with that shit...bush league.

Please show me where he called Roy "bush league" for his comments. It sure doesn't sound like he's bashing them all equally to me.

BNM

 

[Ed O]

In terms of being a bad teammate, no, there is no right or wrong or better time to make questionable comments. If you're a bad teammate, you're a bad teammate. You're not less of a bad teammate in December than you are in April.

I disagree. If there's no harm being done, then talk is just talk.

In the middle of the summer, and (to a lesser extent) during the preseason, no games that MATTER are being played. Any hard feelings can be smoothed over with time and before games count.

That is clearly not the case when talk is hurting a team when games DO matter--and especially not in the playoffs.

Ed O.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I disagree. If there's no harm being done, then talk is just talk.

In the middle of the summer, and (to a lesser extent) during the preseason, no games that MATTER are being played. Any hard feelings can be smoothed over with time and before games count.

That is clearly not the case when talk is hurting a team when games DO matter--and especially not in the playoffs.

Ed O.

Repped and agree 100%. There is a HUGE difference in the impact of comments made in the preseason, or early regular season and similar comments made during the playoffs.

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

Repped and agree 100%. There is a HUGE difference in the impact of comments made in the preseason, or early regular season and similar comments made during the playoffs.

BNM

Psst.... While you guys are arguing on this tired thread; the Blazers are kicking some ass on live T.V. Come join us and celebrate!

 

[tlongII]

Obviously Brandon's comments didn't hurt the team and they didn't hurt his own game.

 

[magnifier661]

Obviously Brandon's comments didn't hurt the team and they didn't hurt his own game.

I am so happy for him and for the Blazers. Now we just need to have Rudy and Nic be on their game when Roy is and we can win this series!

 

[BBert]

To me it looked like Brandon starting off playing like his usual uncertain self, then all of a sudden said "Fuck it, I'm fucking doing this" and just started making plays. Good for him. Apology accepted!

Now, do it again! FAMS!

 

[magnifier661]

First of all, I've stated before that Roy venting his frustration is understandable. I also said I thought it was bad timing on his part to air it to the media NOW. Looks like you agree with me here. This incident to me wasn't that big of a deal, and nowhere did I "bashed" Roy for it. You seem to just ignore what I've said to be viewed as being "right".

Secondly, you said Andre did the same thing but didn't receive the same criticism. I told you I thought that wasn't true, as I remembered many people were very critical over what Andre said. I also said I wasn't one of the people that criticized Andre, which is why I told you that what Andre did wasn't close to what Roy did. My reasons pretty much are the same as the reasons Boob-No-More and a few other gave:

1. Andre's complained about his role in the pre-season or early in the season, not in the middle of the playoffs. Big difference, IMO.

2. (And this is much more important to me) Andre was fucking right! Starting Blake over Andre was a joke. It was clear as day to me that Andre was the superior player.

Ty, simmer down my man. If I mistaken you then I apologize. Last thing I think our fan base needs, is for us to in fight. We are both Blazer fans, and I think you and I are both very passionate about this team. So, I offer truce and let's cheer these mother fuckers on!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

roy feels "hurt" is his 3rd favorite nin song

 

[SlyPokerDog]

roy feels "hurt" is his 3rd favorite nin song

Wrong! Everyone knows Roy prefers the Kermit version of Hurt.

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[3RA1N1AC]

its not easy being green

 

[Boob-No-More]

Not bad for an amphibian!

 

[magnifier661]

I'll go along with that, but no need to apologize. My recollection of the sequence of events over the incident with Andre was incorrect, and you were right about Andre going public with his complaints. I had thought that Andre confronted Nate first then talked to the media later on about it. I'm not one to follow any off the court drama, but the shouting match between Andre and Nate was made into such a big deal that it caught my attention. So naturally, I remembered the shouting match as the incident and vaguely remembered any dust ups prior to that. Either way, neither the incident with Andre nor the one with Roy was such a big deal to me (I'm all about what they do on the court, and normally couldn't give two shits about what they do or say off of it). However, my point stands that what Andre did wasn't the same in magnitude as what Roy did (no big deal, nonetheless), and I provided reasons for why I thought so.

GO BLAZERS!!!! Honestly, right now I am just so happy for everyone. Well maybe not Fernandez, because he is still struggling. He needs some love too. And by all means, just because Roy had a great game last night doesn't mean this is all behind him. I'm just soo glad that he actually had one good game after the controversy. Could you imagine if Nate gave him burn and he was still terrible? Holy shit we'd be flipping out!

 

[PapaG]

Bullshit. Selfishly destroying team chemistry during the playoffs is MUCH worse than similar comments made during preseason. It boggles my mind that anyone would claim otherwise. Or, do you consider preseason games that don't even count in the standings every bit as important as playoff games? If you do, congratulations, you are truly unique.



Seriously???? Miller "pouted" for preseason and early regular season. His blowup with Nate was the first week of January, 2010 and that was the last time we've heard Andre Miller complain about anything. Roy complained last season, he complained back in December and he complained DURING THE PLAYOFFS!

And yes, Miller did get killed when he made his comments - as well as before and after he made those comments by posters in this forum and members of the local media.



Either preseason == playoffs, or it doesn't. Very simple.

BNM

Roy killed team chemistry!!! :MARIS61: :MARIS61:

 

[PapaG]

Repped and agree 100%. There is a HUGE difference in the impact of comments made in the preseason, or early regular season and similar comments made during the playoffs.
BNM

So, what's the difference? Seems as if the Blazers won 2 games after Roy made his comments. You bashed Roy for "killing team chemistry" without even knowing if he did kill team chemistry. Seems as if you were 100% off on your opinion of how Roy's comments would impact the team.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

chemistry shmemistry

 

[PapaG]

No need to quote the troll. He doesn't know what he's talking about and it just clutters up an already cluttered thread.

For the record, I find exceedingly long sigs an unecessary, self-serving pain in the ass regardless of content. Nothing screams "Hey, look at ME!" more than an unecessarily long sig. But, in this case the quote you had listed from me was 100% correct. So, it's rather ironic you chose to include it in your sig. I was referring specifically to this incident:

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When I wrote:



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It was obvious by the context EXACTLY what event I was referring to, and that my comments about that event were 100% historically accurate and easily verified. Quoting one tiny part of that out of context does not change the facts.

And, the other incidents you referenced WRT Miller happened either in PRESEASON or early in the REGULAR SEASON - NOT IN THE PLAYOFFS. Do you still not see the difference? Never mind the fact that Miller was right (he was the better player and deserved more minutes than Blake), and Roy is totally wrong (PER = -8.2, totally sucking at both ends of the court), it is the timing of Roy's comments that piss me off. Whining about playing time and getting your feelings hurt during the playoffs is about the most selfish thing a player can do in a team sport. It TOTALLY undermines team chemistry and causes unecessary distraction when the team should be pulling together and focusing on the opposition. It's an extremely selfish, immature thing for someone to do who is supposed to be a team leader (or is at least paid like he's supposed to be one).

It reminds me very, very much of the time Damon whined about Greg Anthony getting more minutes in the 4th quarter against the Spurs during the 1999 WCF. It was equally selfish and immature, and the Blazers ended up getting swept by the Spurs. It's just an incredibly seflish, immature thing to do, whether you're Damon Stoudamire or Brandon Roy. Damon was harshly criticized at the time for putting his own needs above those of the team, and Roy should be, too.

And, the next time Andre Miller whines about playing time in the post season will be the first. THAT'S the REAL difference between what Roy did and what Miller did.

BNM

How many hundreds of words did you write about preseason vs. playoffs, only to be proven wrong?

Also, just because I point out your logical failures does not make me a "troll". A 50-some year old "man" who can't handle being wrong. Hilarious.

 

[PapaG]

chemistry shmemistry

Watch out, or BoobNoMore will author another 1000-word essay on how Roy killed team chemistry, and how he's like Damon Stoudamire, who made his team get swept when he complained!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[PapaG]

Dear Brandon:

You suck now.

K. Thanks.

LMAO

 

[jlprk]

Papa, you think that Roy should get more minutes, but in this thread, everyone disagrees with you. Roy did well only because he was saved for the 4th and late 3rd quarters. So you are wrong and Boob is right. Just play Roy when we need him. Save those knees.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/185093-Roy-Needs-to-Start-In-Game-Five?

As for your recent numerous references to Boob having just turned 50, he's one of the younger members of the board. There are plenty of us and we kick your ass in every thread. Keep reminding us of your inexperience, Sonny.

 

[magnifier661]

Papa, you think that Roy should get more minutes, but in this thread, everyone disagrees with you. Roy did well only because he was saved for the 4th and late 3rd quarters. So you are wrong and Boob is right. Just play Roy when we need him. Save those knees.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/185093-Roy-Needs-to-Start-In-Game-Five?

As for your recent numerous references to Boob having just turned 50, he's one of the younger members of the board. There are plenty of us and we kick your ass in every thread. Keep reminding us of your inexperience, Sonny.

I think it's really important to note that Roy is still getting his 20-25 minutes per game; even during the clutch performance last game. I agree with most that say Roy needs to come off the bench for one reason alone.

I really think we need Roy mainly for the later part of the third and the 4th quarter. Manage his time before that, so he is strong and has energy for the 4th.

 

[Boob-No-More]

As for your recent numerous references to Boob having just turned 50, he's one of the younger members of the board. There are plenty of us and we kick your ass in every thread. Keep reminding us of your inexperience, Sonny.

Numerous recent references to my age, huh? Sounds a little stalkerish to me (is that a threat?). Maybe I should ask to be banned for my own safety and then come back in a couple weeks under a different username posting in the exact same, easily recognizable style because I NEED the attention and I NEED to have my self-worth validated by a bunch of anonymous strangers in an online discussion forum and lack the self-discipline to stay away even if it jeopardizes my own personal safety.

And, for the record (not that it matters), I haven't turned 50 yet. I still have a couple months to go.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Papa, you think that Roy should get more minutes, but in this thread, everyone disagrees with you. Roy did well only because he was saved for the 4th and late 3rd quarters. So you are wrong and Boob is right. Just play Roy when we need him. Save those knees.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/185093-Roy-Needs-to-Start-In-Game-Five?

So what? Some of those posters also said that Roy should be benched for the rest of the series after Game 2. I disagreed with that as well. Looks like I was right on that one, despite majority opinion.

As for your recent numerous references to Boob having just turned 50, he's one of the younger members of the board. There are plenty of us and we kick your ass in every thread. Keep reminding us of your inexperience, Sonny.

I don't really care about who kicks my ass, or who thinks I'm getting my ass kicked, or whose ass I kick.

I was pointing out that a 50 year-old man feels the need to not only ignore posters who make him look foolish, instead of owning up to his mistakes, but to also repeatedly announce it to the board. Him being 50 doesn't matter to me at all. Him having the confrontational skills of your average high school girl while being 50 is funny to me, though.

 

[Ed O]

So what? Some of those posters also said that Roy should be benched for the rest of the series after Game 2. I disagreed with that as well. Looks like I was right on that one, despite majority opinion.

You're not SERIOUSLY asserting that the majority of posters here thought Roy should be benched for the rest of the series after Game 2, are you?

I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find a half-dozen posters who took that position.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

You're not SERIOUSLY asserting that the majority of posters here thought Roy should be benched for the rest of the series after Game 2, are you?

I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find a half-dozen posters who took that position.

Ed O.

I was referencing the majority of the vocal minority of those who thought he should be benched.