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I'm totally in the bring Freeland over camp. I hope we can see him in summer league. Might as well give him a shot and let him be the 15th man.

I'm pretty sure there is some international basketball event going on this summer in Europe, and Freeland is a member on the GB team. I know Batum is participating in it (and will miss the SL as a result), not so sure about Rudy or Sergio, though.
 
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So is Roy pretty much saying "please get rid of Channing"?
 
One player that could fit our plans is Rashawn Turner (sp?), of Ashkelon, in the Israeli league. Tonight (Israeli time, before noon Portland time) is their 2nd game in a best-of-5 series against Maccabi Tel-Aviv. In the first game, Ashkelon shocked Maccabi with Turner going for 27 Points and 19 Boards. Last year, Batum had one of his best games against Maccabi in the Euroleague and since then I wanted him to come to Portland.
I never paid much attention to him, since he's on a small team (barely finished 8th, Maccabi finished 1st) and I also didn't see the first game, just read stats and comments and everyone is raving about him, I'll see the 2nd game and tell you what I think.
 
Backup PF? If Oden can learn to stay out of foul trouble (I think he can), then I say Joel Pryzbilla can back up both spots PF and C:

GO: 30 min
Joel: 26 min
LMA: 40 min
 
Backup PF? If Oden can learn to stay out of foul trouble (I think he can), then I say Joel Pryzbilla can back up both spots PF and C:

GO: 30 min
Joel: 26 min
LMA: 40 min

Joel has zero post up game and zero offense outside of putbacks and the very rare roll to the hoop. Maybe down the line if Oden becomes a consistent 18 ppg guy you could say Joel could come in and backup either frontcourt spot, but that isn't going to happen next year; this team desperately needs some more proven front court scoring ... even if that's only for a couple of years.
 
Joel has zero post up game and zero offense outside of putbacks and the very rare roll to the hoop. Maybe down the line if Oden becomes a consistent 18 ppg guy you could say Joel could come in and backup either frontcourt spot, but that isn't going to happen next year; this team desperately needs some more proven front court scoring ... even if that's only for a couple of years.

I'm hoping it happens for Oden sooner than that, but yes, next year might be optimistic. Of course, it's the offseason - THE time to be wildly optimistic!
 
Actually the quote Roy used I believe was "We need a banger at backup PF." Not necessarily to dig at anybody, but to obtain a different type of player. Frye is a finesse player. Outlaw is a finesse player.

IMO a Nick Collison, who played under Nate and would be familiar with his system so he could fit in quickly, would be a good consideration.

I also like Haslem (who has tons of playoff experience). He can bang, but he can also hit the open jumper, which fits in the Blazer system. His defensive experience would be very valuable.

Bass would be a good fit, because he could pick up scoring slack as well. He pretty much averages .5 points per minute while on the floor, while shooting damn near 50%. He actually shows up in the playoffs as well, providing the same production.
 
When the player is on the court - his team wins the portion he is on the court or loses - this number provides the win percent of said player. This is really not that hard to understand.

The specific definition from 82games is - These stats represent how the team performed while the player was on the floor.
Given how close Roy/Aldridge/Blake's numbers are, I'm guessing at the good end of the scale it's largely a measure of consistent lineups, while at the bad end of the scale it shows how poorly certain players plug holes in spot minutes.
 
Given how close Roy/Aldridge/Blake's numbers are, I'm guessing at the good end of the scale it's largely a measure of consistent lineups, while at the bad end of the scale it shows how poorly certain players plug holes in spot minutes.

There is something to be said for that - but it is clear also that it is not the only thing - given that Joel's and Batum's win% is not as high - and both Oden, Travis and Rudy that spend a nice amount of time playing without them had higher win% than Joel's and Batum's.

The fact of the matter is that Sergio's style is not good to play next to Roy - so they spend little time together - and when they do play together - it detracts from at least one of them. Add the fact that Portland does not have lots of players for a GSW like random ball that suites Sergio - and it is clear that it would be better for Portland to remove him from the rotation. It is up to Sergio and the circumstances, I suppose - to figure out if it would also be better for Sergio. Personally - I think there are very few teams in the league where Sergio will be a more effective NBA player - and even on these teams he will never have the star potential that someone like Steve Nash has - because he lacks a very big weapon that Nash has... shooting.
 
I like Jason Maxiell, dude's tough as nails and super high energy. But he's a little overpaid and really is used to playing in the post so I'm not sure he'd mesh extremely well with Oden or Pryz on the court, more of a compliment to Aldridge I think. But I'd take him over Bass for sure.

The guy's a thick, athletic, high-energy sparkplug though who is a straight up bulldog underneath the hoop and runs the floor pretty well.
 
I like Jason Maxiell, dude's tough as nails and super high energy. But he's a little overpaid and really is used to playing in the post so I'm not sure he'd mesh extremely well with Oden or Pryz on the court, more of a compliment to Aldridge I think. But I'd take him over Bass for sure.

I shamelessly agree. Still does mean that I want to see Steve Nash anywhere near this team other than when he is wearing an opposing team's jersey... :devilwink:
 
Joel has zero post up game and zero offense outside of putbacks and the very rare roll to the hoop. Maybe down the line if Oden becomes a consistent 18 ppg guy you could say Joel could come in and backup either frontcourt spot, but that isn't going to happen next year; this team desperately needs some more proven front court scoring ... even if that's only for a couple of years.

That's really my issue. As much as I love Joel, we need a backup who care score. Look at the Celtics with big baby and Perkins. We have very little scoring from our five spot, and I think it would benefit us to have a pf/c who can score in the post like Varajao or Collison. Joel is pretty much exclusively a five, so I think it would benefit us to have someone who can swing between positions.
 
There is something to be said for that - but it is clear also that it is not the only thing - given that Joel's and Batum's win% is not as high - and both Oden, Travis and Rudy that spend a nice amount of time playing without them had higher win% than Joel's and Batum's.
Joel's number confuses me, but Batum makes sense in that he doesn't have a high correlation of minutes played with the starters (from their perspective, not from his).
 
When the player is on the court - his team wins the portion he is on the court or loses - this number provides the win percent of said player. This is really not that hard to understand.

The specific definition from 82games is - These stats represent how the team performed while the player was on the floor.

The team won only 38% of the stretches when Sergio is on the court - compared to 55% for Travis or 65% for Blake or 55% for Rudy.

The numbers show that Sergio (or Frye) are the most harmful to the team's win percent of the guys that actually got to see at least 60 games of action. If you want to look at something like 1000 minutes as a real measure of a regular rotation guy - Frye does not match this criteria - and makes Sergio the worst of our "regular rotation" guys when it comes to win%.

With this in mind - it seems rather reasonable to expect an upgrade in the backup PG position and upgrade in the backup PF positions to be at the top of the wish list for the team. Upgrade at backup PG can come either from getting a new starter and sliding Blake to backup, hope that Bayless progresses as the designated backup or assume that Sergio (who does not sound like he wants to stay) remains and takes a big step forward in his production. I will be shocked if Sergio is still on the roster - but who knows.

Upgrade at backup PF can come either from the return of Webster and sliding Travis to play only at backup PF - or from removing the glut at SF and shipping either Webster or Travis while bringing a backup banger PF.

So what you are re-naming is the +/- for each player, which notes the point differential (not victories or defeats, as portions of games cannot be won nor lost) and which is in reality a measure of the 5 players who are on the court vs the 5 opposing players who are on the court. In no way does it accurately measure singular players. In no way is it reliably comparable to other players.

If Sergio played in Blake's starting spot, his number would be greater than Blake's is now and Roy's would likely be higher also. PT is a huge factor in the +/- also, as most players need a minute or 2 to get in the flow and create, so bench players with a coach who juggles rotations and minutes frequently will always get a lower score, but again it is a 5-man vs 5-man score, and cannot be used to rate a singular player. Players are at the mercy of their coach as to when and for how long they play, and what instructions they must follow (run, don't run, feed the post, just rebound and do nothing else...) so a bad coach could skew things beyond sense.

A more reliable comparison is apples to apples, such as I pointed out the day Blake came back from his injury and Sergio had been starting in his place although still playing less minutes overall. This comparison had each player in the same lineup, both facing starters in the opposition. Apples to apples.

Even though it was a new and unfamiliar lineup, the team had a marginally higher win % with Sergio starting than they had with Blake starting. I think it averaged out to 4 more wins per season when extrapolated to 82 games.

Clearly, Sergio is more valuable to this team's success than Steve is. Steve's best games were after he returned to start, and stepped up the pace for awhile ala Sergio, but he quickly regressed back to the dawdling, non-creative, risk-free style he's been anchored to for his entire career.
 
Lots of Euro teams are hot to trot over Joel Freeland. If we don't bring him over this year, we may lose him forever. KP is very excited about him. He's big, he's athletic, he's strong, he's got skill, no baggage, and he'd be a helluva lot cheaper than signing a free agent like Chris Anderson or Bass.

I think Freeland is our best bet.

Cut Travis Outlaw and we have 12 million to play with. Use that to sign RON ARTEST not only do we weaken a conference rival, but we become INSTANT CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS!

DO IT KP!
 
So what you are re-naming is the +/- for each player, which notes the point differential (not victories or defeats, as portions of games cannot be won nor lost) and which is in reality a measure of the 5 players who are on the court vs the 5 opposing players who are on the court. In no way does it accurately measure singular players. In no way is it reliably comparable to other players.

No. +/- is point differential, win% is the number of wins out of total games played. They are different - if you lost one game by 30 points and win 29 by 1 - you will have a negative +/- but a wonderful win%.

You are right that the win% is not limited to one player - but what it does show you is fit - and Sergio's domination of the ball does not mash well with Roy - Portland's best player - so he does not play much with him - which leads to his piss poor win%.

Sergio has some talent - no-where near as much as some claim based on his ungodly assist rate - but he sure has some talent. It is just talent that does not fit with Portland's stars (most specifically Roy) - and as such - he has no place on this team going forward.
 
I'd like to see Chris Anderson here - big energy, big hops, kills himself to get rebounds and play D , loves to run the court. could be great!
 
I'd like to see Chris Anderson here - big energy, big hops, kills himself to get rebounds and play D , loves to run the court. could be great!

question is.... does he fit the culture? KP was makin it a big deal about culture and if people fit us not us fitting them.... so think hed fit the NW culture? and is that crack/coke habit gonna stay away?
 
well, i guess he's been in trouble in the past and would be a chance to do it again?!

but i think giving a guy who's had problems, yet now seems to be clean and playing well, a chance is in-line with what I'd consider good moral character from a team point of view - i dont think his past deeds need haunt him for the rest of his career, the fact is he'd bring what we sorely miss - an energetic banging big man who hounds the key and hoovers up boards. he's a role player to the definition of the term and doesnt aspire to be anything more than that role, but yet wants to do it the best he possibly can with as much power and enthusiasm as he can , i respect that in a player.

he'd be kinda cheap too i think :P
 
There's no way we're getting the Birdman, as much as I'd like that to happen.
 
I like Jason Maxiell, dude's tough as nails and super high energy. But he's a little overpaid and really is used to playing in the post so I'm not sure he'd mesh extremely well with Oden or Pryz on the court, more of a compliment to Aldridge I think. But I'd take him over Bass for sure.

The guy's a thick, athletic, high-energy sparkplug though who is a straight up bulldog underneath the hoop and runs the floor pretty well.

I'd love to have Maxiell here. He looked like he was a little underutilized by Michael Curry, who I felt was the worst coach in the NBA last season.
Maxiell's tough, can jump out of the gym, and is a wide body. Seems to have a similar deal than Martell's at 4 years, 20 million. That's pretty affordable. I wonder if he's available.
 
Ronnie Turiaf?

I'd trade Travis for him in a heartbeat. he's cheap at 4.5 million a year, he has a decent touch out to about the foul line, he's an insane shot blocker and he rebounds adequately for his position.

He's about as picture perfect a backup 4 as I can imagine for LaMarcus (considering salary, style, and role).
 
I dislike Chris anderson greatly...no way I want to see that idiot here....

IMO a Nick Collison, who played under Nate and would be familiar with his system so he could fit in quickly, would be a good consideration.


Nick Collison would be perfect, great choice...doubt we could get him from OKC though.....

Brandon Bass would be another good choice as well, but again, prying away from Dallas won't be easy...
 

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