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Anyway, this situation seems a little like the Yi one from a few years ago. In the end, the undesirable team drafted him anyway.

And you can sort of see why--think Charlotte regrets passing on Kobe Bryant because he "refused" to play for them? In hindsight, they should've just said, "Fuck you, Kobe, you will learn to love it here."
 
Anyway, this situation seems a little like the Yi one from a few years ago. In the end, the undesirable team drafted him anyway.

And you can sort of see why--think Charlotte regrets passing on Kobe Bryant because he "refused" to play for them? In hindsight, they should've just said, "Fuck you, Kobe, you will learn to love it here."

I don't know the Yi situation real well . . . was he making more or as much in China then what he makes now?

To me it seems like Rubio has lots of leverage in the situation . . . but maybe Yi did too.
 
Frankly that would be a fantastic trade for both sides, and it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. The two teams would have a "handshake" agreement in place at the draft and the players concerned and their agents would be told the situation and they'd simply have to wait about a week or so to finalize the deal.

The Golden State deal seems less likely, as I can't see many of their players being D'Antoni guys (Maybe Beidrins?)

I'm saying if Memphis passes on Rubio and takes Thabeet then Golden State will probably try and make a deal with OKC not New York. They don't have the same restrictions on their players, and could probably throw in Biedrins or Monta which OKC may prefer more.
 
I believe Yi (and communist China) was more interested in playing in a bigger, more high-visibility market. I think it was more of a prestige thing. Plus, who wants to live in Milwaukee?

The motivation (endorsements/glory/money/locale) doesn't really matter for the player, though. It basically boils down to the franchise's will against the player's, and who flinches first. If I were Memphis, I'd draft Rubio if I thought he were the BPA. Worst that happens is that he refuses to come, he blows up in Europe, and Memphis uses his increased value to trade his draft rights for value down the road.
 
And you can sort of see why--think Charlotte regrets passing on Kobe Bryant because he "refused" to play for them? In hindsight, they should've just said, "Fuck you, Kobe, you will learn to love it here."

Kobe was threatening to go to Duke if anyone other than LA or New York drafted him. So if Charlotte had selected him and not traded his rights, they risked not getting anything at all for their pick.
 
Kobe was threatening to go to Duke if anyone other than LA or New York drafted him. So if Charlotte had selected him and not traded his rights, they risked not getting anything at all for their pick.


From what I have read, Memphis is considering trading the pick now.
 
Kobe was threatening to go to Duke if anyone other than LA or New York drafted him. So if Charlotte had selected him and not traded his rights, they risked not getting anything at all for their pick.

If Kobe had gone to Duke, wouldn't Charlotte still own his rights? It's not like he could just pull out of the draft on draft night.

So if he has a fantastic college career (as he probably would have) Charlotte trades away his draft rights down the road for a proven star.

Instead they rented Vlade Divac for a few years in exchange for the rights to Bryant.
 
If Kobe had gone to Duke, wouldn't Charlotte still own his rights? It's not like he could just pull out of the draft on draft night.

So if he has a fantastic college career (as he probably would have) Charlotte trades away his draft rights down the road for a proven star.

Instead they rented Vlade Divac for a few years in exchange for the rights to Bryant.

I think the issue is would you want to deal with the hassle and to waste a lottery pick on a player who won't be available for at least a year and maybe longer? Especially when it's not like people really knew he was going to end up being as good as he was/is.
 
If Kobe had gone to Duke, wouldn't Charlotte still own his rights? It's not like he could just pull out of the draft on draft night.

No, I think if you don't play professional basketball for a year after being drafted, the rights are lost. Foreign players continue to play professionally in their own league, so rights to them are not lost. But playing in college is not professional, so by the time the next year's draft rolled around, I don't think anyone would own his rights.

That's my recollection anyway. I'm not an expert on the CBA.
 
This is one of those things that's always puzzled me. If it worked for Kobe, why would anyone ever let themselves get drafted to the Kings or Grizzlies?
 
This is one of those things that's always puzzled me. If it worked for Kobe, why would anyone ever let themselves get drafted to the Kings or Grizzlies?

There are downsides. Trying to make yourself fall in the draft costs you money, since first round pick salaries are based on draft slot. Also, I'd guess most players aren't concerned enough with market to follow through on a threat to go to college for a(nother) year.

Also, if you're out of college eligibility, you don't have that option.
 
I actually don't think it has to do with location but the idea of success. Memphis, Clips, and OKC don't really have the history of being successful while the Kings were recently successful with a solid fan base. I wouldn't be surprised if this was more about being in a potential winning situation as opposed to being drafted by a perennial loser.

But I agree, Sacramento is a dump. I once turned down a promotion because it required me to relocate there. :pimp:

Rubio + Kevin Martin could be a very good backcourt. Add onto that young bigs like Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes. I like Francisco Garcia a bit too. They have some good young pieces if they continue to develop and put it together.
 
Purchase another pick, trade some pics to move up into the late teens. Trade that with Sergio to move up two spots. Trade that with Webster to move up three more. Rinse, repeat. Trade Outlaw + pick for Rubio

Rubio, Roy, Batum, LMA, Oden


In all honestly, I think that we could potentially do something like that to move up a bunch, but it might require trading Pryzbilla, and I don't really feel comfortable with that at all.
 
No, I think if you don't play professional basketball for a year after being drafted, the rights are lost. Foreign players continue to play professionally in their own league, so rights to them are not lost. But playing in college is not professional, so by the time the next year's draft rolled around, I don't think anyone would own his rights.

That's my recollection anyway. I'm not an expert on the CBA.

That's what I was going to say.

Remember Larry Bird? He played another season after being drafted, but the Celtics had a very narrow window to sign him once his final college season ended.
 
That's what I was going to say.

Remember Larry Bird? He played another season after being drafted, but the Celtics had a very narrow window to sign him once his final college season ended.

Voshon Lenard was drafted by the Bucks in the second round, went back to Minnesota, and then remained their property the next year. That was the 1994 draft. Not sure what the rules were with Kobe when he was in the draft.

Ed O.
 
I think i'd be willing to trade Joel to get Rubio.

I'd be willing to trade anyone outside Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy and Batum. We have cap space, TE, our 1st and plenty seconds (valuable), future picks, and plenty of players to trade including a stud like Bayless (imo). Also, i'm sure we'd be willing to take on contracts, which would probably be a huge deal.

Mix that with the fact that teams such as Memphis and Washington seem to be willing to trade their picks, and I think that its not too far-fetched. KP could probably make it happen if he wanted to, but the price may be to high. Though adding another player to the core for the next 10+ years can't be overvalued, imo. Especially considering its probably our final important position.
 
I'm just scared what happens to Roy if we have a ball dominating pg. From what I've seen when he plays with sergio (not saying rubio would be like him) is that Roy just seems to stand in one spot and wait for a kick out. Maybe if we got rubio he'd switch up and roam a bit better but I'm not sure. Something to think about.
 
I think i'd be willing to trade Joel to get Rubio.

I definitely would. I love Joel, and losing him would require the team to get someone who'd be at least as expensive and probably not as good, but Rubio's a guy who could be really special and blend in well with the rest of the core over the long term and giving up a few years of Przybilla would be worth the cost.

Ed O.
 
I definitely would. I love Joel, and losing him would require the team to get someone who'd be at least as expensive and probably not as good, but Rubio's a guy who could be really special and blend in well with the rest of the core over the long term and giving up a few years of Przybilla would be worth the cost.

Same. Przybilla is really valuable to Portland right now, with Oden's struggles to stay on the floor, but unless Oden busts (not my current expectation), his value to Portland will continue to decrease as Oden takes more time. In addition, Przybilla will lose value to age in a few years. It's worth dealing what should be a declining value asset for someone who could be a mainstay for over a decade.
 
I could deal with pryz going although I love him it'd give whatever back up pf/oden/aldridge more time
 
I don't think Rubio will have as much success as most people seem to think.

Just my opinion
 
I could deal with pryz going although I love him it'd give whatever back up pf/oden/aldridge more time

I think we're about a year premature on entertaining the idea of moving Przy. On the plus side I think he's going to be a really hot commodity as there seems to be a dearth of good defensive centers, especially centers that have an ungodly 22% rebound rate.
 
I don't think Rubio will have as much success as most people seem to think.

Just my opinion

Agreed. My gut feeling is telling me that Rubio may not pan out as well as some are predicting. Surely Sergio has the same skill set?
 
Rubio has very good defense, and very long arms to go with his offensive skills. I'm not one to pick up on foreign player hype. I never understood the word going around for Bargnani and Gallinari and Milicic, and I admit I didn't really pay much mind towards Fernandez either, but Rubio has it. Sure, that's my opinion, but I don't really go gaga for the foreign guys. I just see an NBA player in him every time I watch him play a game.
 
The latest from DraftExpress:

From what we can gather, Rubio is most certainly going to want to have a large say in the team that drafts him, and if he’s not satisfied with where he lands, he may just decide not to ever come over, which would obviously be a huge embarrassment for the team that picks him. He is in a great situation with his hometown team outside of Barcelona, and it wouldn’t make sense to leave there for anything less than the perfect spot from his standpoint.

“The bottom line here is that Ricky has a large buyout—5.75 million Euros, both for this year and the year after. Depending on the team that selects him, he’s going to make a decision on whether he comes over or not. If he’s not satisfied, there is a very real possibility that he doesn’t come. His buyout is going to cost him a lot of money, and if it doesn’t make sense for him, he won’t do it. He is going to have to pay for the privilege of playing in the NBA”

According to the source, Rubio’s decision is going to come down to two things: winning and the role he’ll play for the team that picks him. The size of the market of the team that drafts him is apparently irrelevant, since his appeal will be on a global scale, reaching far past his team’s city limits.

With that in mind, it appears that the Memphis Grizzlies will have to make a very strong sales pitch to Rubio for him to move off his initial stance of not wanting to play for them... Oklahoma is a more attractive situation, but there are concerns there about how he fits with Russell Westbrook and whether the two can play together. For now they are not being ruled out.

The question now is how Memphis will respond. Can Chris Wallace and company convince Rubio that his concerns are unfounded? The Grizzlies have not made it a secret that they consider O.J. Mayo to be their point guard of the future, and it may be in their best interest to “maximize the asset” in the words of our source, by trading the pick. This is not going to be a hostile situation, though, so don’t expect any fireworks in the media. Behind the scenes, efforts will be made to steer him the direction of the teams that appear to be most attractive, mainly Sacramento, Dallas, Indiana, Portland and New York, although not all those teams may have the assets or the interest level needed to get a deal done with Memphis. At this stage, Rubio appears unlikely to pull out of the draft.

What’s interesting is that Memphis’ scouting mission to Spain this weekend may not have gone quite as well as planned, as Rubio’s team was beaten handily by Real Madrid in game three of the playoffs, behind a very average showing by the Spanish prodigy. Rubio posted 6 points, 3 assists, 5 turnovers and 3 steals on 2/6 shooting in 26 minutes of action. Both Memphis GM Chris Wallace and head coach Lionel Hollins were in attendance.
 
I don't know if you could get Rubio without trading one of the big three. It seems easier to get Sessions, if as it appears, we can offer more than Milwaukee can match ( I think they are limited to the midlevel, while we can offer more in subsequent years).

But here's a trade that I think would get Rubio (though I'm not sure I would offer it)

Portland trades- Aldridge, #1 pick
Memphis trades- #1 pick, Gasol

We get Rubio and a serviceable power forward. We then decline options on Blake and Outlaw- so that we have 13 million to go after Boozer/Milsap.

Memphis gets someone who is definitely a stud at power forward. Instantly, their 1st or 2nd best player- a core of Aldridge/Gay/Mayo
 
The Commercial Appeal is saying the meetings between Wallace, Hiesley and Rubio's agent went well.
 
I don't know if you could get Rubio without trading one of the big three. It seems easier to get Sessions, if as it appears, we can offer more than Milwaukee can match ( I think they are limited to the midlevel, while we can offer more in subsequent years).

But here's a trade that I think would get Rubio (though I'm not sure I would offer it)

Portland trades- Aldridge, #1 pick
Memphis trades- #1 pick, Gasol

We get Rubio and a serviceable power forward. We then decline options on Blake and Outlaw- so that we have 13 million to go after Boozer/Milsap.

Memphis gets someone who is definitely a stud at power forward. Instantly, their 1st or 2nd best player- a core of Aldridge/Gay/Mayo

This why I think the idea of trying to wrangle things to get Rubio is such a poor idea. We're likely going to have to overpay to get him and there's still no guarantee that he's going to be able to step in and be the missing piece that pushes this team to contention, let alone come in and be able to start. There are free agents like Sessions and Miller and other players likely available via trade like Hinrich that have already proven themselves capable starting quality point guards and we're not going to have to trade away cornerstone pieces like LaMarcus to get it done.

Frankly, the notion of trading LaMarcus for Rubio probably makes us less of a contender in the short term and the long term; we have no proven offensive players in our front-court aside from LMA, and he's still barely scratching the surface of his potential (IMO). Counting on enough cap-space to try and lure a free agent like Millsap or Boozer seems like a pretty high risk with major "blow up in your face" potential.

I'm all for getting Rubio if we don't have to mortgage the house to do it, but I just don't see him being a viable target at all considering what our "available" trade assets actually are.
 

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