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Article by Marc Berman on the trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's another Isiah Thomas move in which the Knicks could get younger and more athletic but shorter, weaker defensively and more expensive.
The Knicks and Suns have agreed in principle to their second trade in 17 months, with Kurt Thomas being shipped to Phoenix for 6-6 swingman Quentin Richardson and a protected, future first-round pick.

At least there would be another pretty face for celebrity row, Richardson is married to singer Brandi. Richardson was a bust in the playoffs, but led the league with 226 3-pointers - an area of weakness for the Knicks. Richardson is known for tapping his headband with his fists after each trey. He singed the Garden for seven 3-pointers in January.

The first-round pick could be used by the Knicks at the earliest in 2007 but is protected beyond the lottery. <font color="red">The delay in announcing the deal involves a insurance issue regarding a prior Richardson back injury. </font></div>
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I'm really not liking the injury stuff. Vescey recently reported that Dolan might be willing to let the contract play out even if Q has a problem with a body part during his physical. The 6-year contract that holds value of 37.7 million would not be insured regularly, but the Knicks might look past it and remove it from the contract. - This according to Vescey.

Look, this trade was stupid from the start. But this just made it even more stupid.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with the notion that Q is a "chucker" more so than he is a "shooter"...I mean, he made 226 3s this season, but he only hit 35% of them, meaning he attempted around 650 or so...yes he has a post-up game, but he never utilizes it really...hes fallen under the misconception that hes a 3-point specialist, and he does not have the percentages that suggest that...hes a nice rebounder who can score inside and drive because he has a great NBA body and is athletic and strong...but he tends to limit himself by staying camped around the perimeter and shying away from contact...</div>
But he wasn?t really needed to do that in Phoenix; his job was to just stand there and shoot the lights out. If the Suns needed him to put more variety in his game, I think they would have asked him to. Percentages don?t always indicate someone?s shooting prowess. Ray Allen shot only 42.8% from the field this season but is considered one of the leagues premier shooters.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I really dont understand this deal from NY's perspective...I can only assume that Isaiah is nowhere near done dealing, but thats not necessarily good news for Knicks fans...</div>
The Knicks had five power forwards, Shooter. Sweetney is our power forward of the future. Jerome Williams, Malik Rose, and Maurice Taylor?s contracts will make them virtually immovable. Now with all of those deserving power forwards only on one team, how can you expect there not to be any problems? It will also interfere the development of Sweetney because all of these power forwards aren?t giving him any room to grow. On top of that, this is the best deal that we would have gotten for Kurt Thomas; period. No one else would have taken a 33-year old power forward making 8 million when he?s 37. At least we get younger, get more help at swingman and give our young players time to develop.
 
i don't get how this trade will help you guys at all. sure, Q is younger and more athletic. but if you trade away thomas, you'll be missing post presence. and don't you already have jamal crawford at SG? and you guys gonna play Q and SF? and also, Q's contract is huge. he has 5 years left and he gets paid a lot of money. in my opinion, this'll make your team worse.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting lafever8:</div><div class="quote_post">i don't get how this trade will help you guys at all. sure, Q is younger and more athletic. but if you trade away thomas, you'll be missing post presence. and don't you already have jamal crawford at SG? and you guys gonna play Q and SF? and also, Q's contract is huge. he has 5 years left and he gets paid a lot of money. in my opinion, this'll make your team worse.</div>
I don?t think so. Kurt Thomas was definitely valuable to our team; no questions about it but we needed to make this move. As I said earlier, we needed to get rid of some of our power forwards and the only possible way was to get rid of Kurt Thomas. Kurt was great defensively, but I?m convinced Malik Rose can do a good job for us in this aspect. Kurt is getting older and getting paid more every year so we needed to trade him. Q will probably play small forward or shooting guard or we?ll make him come off the bench.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Article by Marc Berman on the trade.



I'm really not liking the injury stuff. Vescey recently reported that Dolan might be willing to let the contract play out even if Q has a problem with a body part during his physical. The 6-year contract that holds value of 37.7 million would not be insured regularly, but the Knicks might look past it and remove it from the contract. - This according to Vescey.

Look, this trade was stupid from the start. But this just made it even more stupid.Link (NY Post - Registration required)</div>
Hopefully it's not major. At least I don't think so. And how credible is this Berman dude. He spelled Q's wife Brandi when it's really Brandy.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know he took a lot of three?s this season, but I think that just makes him more reliable because he can make more three?s. He?s shown he can stroke it. Although this might not be really significant but the 3-point shootout and also led the Suns in most three?s a game and didn?t he have a record with nine three?s or something? I think he?s pretty a pretty good 3-point shooter. Wasn?t it just his role to do that in Phoenix?</div>
He's not a bad three point shooter, he's above average, but he's not a "good" three point shooter either. Vince is a better three point shooter than him, but no one is going to call Vince a specialist. A good three point shooter shoots 37%+, and a specialist will be in the 39-40%+ range most of the time. I just think he's real lucky he got hot, he is a streak shooter, which is why he won the comp, he got in rythm.

Yes it was his role in Phoenix, but remember he was a Clipper the previous year, and had a much bigger role than just jacking three's, yet what did he do? Jack three's. Also you have to take into account that he was a 5th option spot up shooter, he hardly got defensive attention, yet his percentages were pretty weak for that role.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That?s true, but I think he?s better than his percentage. Doesn?t he take a lot of ill-advised shots? If he fixes this, I think he can be decent not to mention he?ll also have a positive effect without touching the ball. He can simply let Marbury penetrate and he?ll hit the open jumper. </div>
He sometimes takes ill-advised shots, but I think you're being too nice on the "he can fix it", it's very hard for players to change their game, especially later in their career. Also it really doesn't seem like he has a problem with how he plays, he's comfortable with it, so...

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Is this because of his shot selection or just because he simply isn?t consistent?</div>
He's just incosistent, he'll get 3 open three's in a row and miss them, then he'll make 3-3 the next time down. This is what you get from Q game to game:
21 points - 4 points - 12 points - 6 points - 23 points - 18 points - 9 points - 12 points - 20 points - 19 points - 5 points - 4 points - 15 points - 8 points - 11 points - 6 points - 11 points - 18 points - 21 point - 20 points - 17 points - 2 points - 18 points

These are not real numbers, just an example, and I'm not over-exaggerating, the jumps are that big.



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But he wasn?t really needed to do that in Phoenix; his job was to just stand there and shoot the lights out. If the Suns needed him to put more variety in his game, I think they would have asked him to. Percentages don?t always indicate someone?s shooting prowess. Ray Allen shot only 42.8% from the field this season but is considered one of the leagues premier shooters. </div>
Yea, but Ray Allen also shoot's close to 90% from the line, has had 3 seasons over 40%, and has a career 3PT% of 39.6% while being a 1st option player as opposed to a 5th option player which Q was on the Suns
 
Anybody else think that this deal might be a setup for a possible Marbury deal in the recent future?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">Anybody else think that this deal might be a setup for a possible Marbury deal in the recent future?</div>

Nah, I dont think so but I might be missing something bigger in the grand scheme. But I dont really see this as effecting Marbury's status as a Knick, cause they still dont have anyone else who can be a effective everday point guard. And Marbury due to his NYC ties is still the Knicks only really box office ticket draw, which means inorder to trade Marbury the Knicks would have to get two things out of the deal, one being afective everday point guard. And two, a player who can at least keep the New York fans semi-interested in the Knicks to the level of Marbury, honestly I dont see any team giving the Knicks that type of status player.

I see this deal more as a PR/media move more then anything...this deal to bring in Q-Rich is to give the Knicks fans something to be interested about the Knicks during the offseason. It doesnt make the Knicks better in my opinion. But it serves the purpose of making the Knicks fans think that more of a youth movement is ahead.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">He's not a bad three point shooter, he's above average, but he's not a "good" three point shooter either. Vince is a better three point shooter than him, but no one is going to call Vince a specialist. A good three point shooter shoots 37%+, and a specialist will be in the 39-40%+ range most of the time. I just think he's real lucky he got hot, he is a streak shooter, which is why he won the comp, he got in rythm. </div>
I see what you?re saying, but it wouldn?t be a stretch to call Carter that. With the Nets he shot 42% from there and when healthy he?s been in the high 30?s to early 40?s range he just doesn?t attempt as many as shooters because he?s more of a slasher.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes it was his role in Phoenix, but remember he was a Clipper the previous year, and had a much bigger role than just jacking three's, yet what did he do? Jack three's. Also you have to take into account that he was a 5th option spot up shooter, he hardly got defensive attention, yet his percentages were pretty weak for that role.</div>
Yes, but in his second year he was their 6th man and he was pretty good averaging 13.3 points and 4.1 off the bench. His FG% was 43.2 and shot 38.1% from downtown. That?s what I would want him to do for us ? create a spark off the bench.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He sometimes takes ill-advised shots, but I think you're being too nice on the "he can fix it", it's very hard for players to change their game, especially later in their career. Also it really doesn't seem like he has a problem with how he plays, he's comfortable with it, so...</div>
I understand that, but with a change in role, I think he can change some of the shots he takes. I don?t follow the Clippers and don?t get to watch them a lot, but what did he do when he was a Clipper and if it was so bad, what did Phoenix see to overpay him? I went to the Suns forum and they seem to have really liked him. What are some positives about him?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He's just incosistent, he'll get 3 open three's in a row and miss them, then he'll make 3-3 the next time down. This is what you get from Q game to game:
21 points - 4 points - 12 points - 6 points - 23 points - 18 points - 9 points - 12 points - 20 points - 19 points - 5 points - 4 points - 15 points - 8 points - 11 points - 6 points - 11 points - 18 points - 21 point - 20 points - 17 points - 2 points - 18 points

These are not real numbers, just an example, and I'm not over-exaggerating, the jumps are that big.</div>
No you?re not, I just saw his game-by-game stats and they were that big. Maybe he can fix that problem he is still young, but I won?t be surprised if he doesn?t. We?ll just have to wait and see what happens during the season.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, but Ray Allen also shoot's close to 90% from the line, has had 3 seasons over 40%, and has a career 3PT% of 39.6% while being a 1st option player as opposed to a 5th option player which Q was on the Suns</div>
Ray Allen still didn?t have a bad year this year even though his percentages were low. That was the point I was trying to make.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, but in his second year he was their 6th man and he was pretty good averaging 13.3 points and 4.1 off the bench. His FG% was 43.2 and shot 38.1% from downtown. That?s what I would want him to do for us ? create a spark off the bench. </div>
Yea, it he could do that it would help, I thought he would be that kind of player as he progressed, while improving the rest of his game, but he never really stayed on that path after that year.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I understand that, but with a change in role, I think he can change some of the shots he takes. I don?t follow the Clippers and don?t get to watch them a lot, but what did he do when he was a Clipper and if it was so bad, what did Phoenix see to overpay him? I went to the Suns forum and they seem to have really liked him. What are some positives about him?</div>
Well he can get hot and give some good point productions once in a while, and he can rebound, but outside of that the people the like him just like him because he hit's three's once in a while, and bangs his head on nice plays.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No you?re not, I just saw his game-by-game stats and they were that big. Maybe he can fix that problem he is still young, but I won?t be surprised if he doesn?t. We?ll just have to wait and see what happens during the season.</div>
I won't say give up hope, because it is possible. Olajuwon, though not really a comparison here, but he was good his whole career, but really took it to the next level after he turned 30 years old.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ray Allen still didn?t have a bad year this year even though his percentages were low. That was the point I was trying to make.</div>
Oh, I see, well if you guys are getting a pick too, then it's not bad. I just don't know if the focus on incosistent outside shooting that I think will come with Crawford and Q both on the team, will help the team at all.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, I see, well if you guys are getting a pick too, then it's not bad. I just don't know if the focus on incosistent outside shooting that I think will come with Crawford and Q both on the team, will help the team at all.</div>
It's not that Crawford is inconsistent from outside - he's just not always accurate shooting with five defenders in his face. He said he's going to work hard this summer on his decision making and things like that but talk is cheap.
 
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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks' planned trade of Kurt Thomas - and other decisions that are likely to hinge upon it - is on hold and will probably not be resolved this weekend.

The Knicks had agreed to deal Thomas, their sturdy power forward, to the Phoenix Suns for the swingman Quentin Richardson and a first-round draft pick. The trade stalled when the Suns failed to furnish insurance papers on Richardson, specifically in regard to a back injury he sustained while playing for the Los Angeles Clippers.</div>

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/25/sports/b...l/25knicks.html? (registration required).
 
We need to get those insurance papers. The last thing we need is another injured player collecting a hefty pay check sitting on the bench.
 
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