Rumor: We are offering Bayless

[Fez Hammersticks]

Meh. Our biggest need is a PG.

After the All-Star break Conley was finally breaking out and looking worthy of his #4 slot.

 

[Cake]

KP seems to overvalue his players. While Bayless my very well be available, I doubt it would be for Sessions.

On a side note. I can't belive the love this organization has for Blake. The guy is nothing more than a spot up shooter.

On another side note. If Bayless goes and another young guard doesn't come back then phooey on KP.

I don't think Pritchard overvalues Blake. Exhibit A is the fact that Pritchard actually TRADED him once. How much do you value a guy before you trade him?

Blake is what he is. A good shooter who doesn't make (many) obvious errors. I don't think Pritchard has any illusions that Blake is anything more than what he is...a solid average player. If it were easy to acquire a better point guard, he would. Unfortunately, point guard is the 2nd most valuable position and a hard one to get a great player at. I believe that we've tried to get Hinrich in the past and we've allegedly talked to Andre Miller very recently. So if Pritchard thinks Blake is so amazing, why would we be looking at those guys at all and why would he ever have traded him years back?

And as for the idea that Pritchard overvalues his players...his players got us 54 wins last season. Yet we've tried to sign Turkoglu and Milsap...neither of whom are 'his' players. If he overvalued 'his' guys, why would we try to acquire anybody else?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

How is it a disaster in Vegas? Talk about stretching it. The fact is many of players completely sucked, and it effected the performance of all the players. Guys that can't make baskets and who drop passes make for a real ugly game. Nobody excelled in this years summer league to the point I said "Wow they will be a great player". Not on the Blazers. Not on other teams. The summer league was a chance for some guys to work on their game, and a chance for others to try to get an invite to a camp. The closest was Cunningham, who showed he has a shot at breaking into the rotation IMO.

If you quit trying to make Bayless something that he is not, he has a chance for success. That type of PG is the type that in a few years would be a Billups/Mo Williams scoring type PG. He may or may not be as good as those guys. His knack is scoring. But even if he ends up 3/4 of good, that is better than Blake by a long shot. But if you are going to expect him to be a Paul/Williams/Nash, you are setting him up for failure, and to be honest, those guards wouldn't work out here because the ball can only have one handler at at time.

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Bayless laid an enormous egg in Vegas. He wasn't a rookie and was supposedly working on his "PG" game for an entire year- and he looked very poor.

I realize you don't like facts and are now a days just trailing after me like a dog in heat, but that's just the way it is.

Maybe try stalking someone else for a change. [edited by author as being too thruthful]

 

[LameR]

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Bayless laid an enormous egg in Vegas. He wasn't a rookie and was supposedly working on his "PG" game for an entire year- and he looked very poor.

You know the season's only been over for a couple of months right?

 

[illmatic99]

I don't think Pritchard overvalues Blake. Exhibit A is the fact that Pritchard actually TRADED him once. How much do you value a guy before you trade him?

Mike Barrett has brought up tons of times that it was Steve Patterson that traded Blake for Magloire, without KP's approval. KP was apparently staunchly against it, and fought as hard as possible to bring Blake back to POR as a free agent.

 

[PapaG]

Bayless/Outlaw for S&T Sessions.

Do it.

No thanks.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Bayless/Outlaw for S&T Sessions.

Do it.

I do this yesterday. I would go as far as saying I'm pretty sure the Bucks would do it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

You know the season's only been over for a couple of months right?

Yeah, but he's been working on becoming a PG for a full year. His PG skills are worse now than they were last summer. Also, if you read any of my other posts on the matter, you will note I also give Bayless some sugar.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Meh. Our biggest need is a PG.

After the All-Star break Conley was finally breaking out and looking worthy of his #4 slot.

But just how big is the need?

Blake is certainly an average PG. How bad is that? We just don't have a capable back up PG. Just about any PG with some experience is an upgrade in depth. That's where my concern is- not with Blake, but the fact we have no back up at all.

 

[Wheels]

Bayless & Outlaw for Rubio?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't think Pritchard overvalues Blake. Exhibit A is the fact that Pritchard actually TRADED him once. How much do you value a guy before you trade him?

Blake is what he is. A good shooter who doesn't make (many) obvious errors. I don't think Pritchard has any illusions that Blake is anything more than what he is...a solid average player. If it were easy to acquire a better point guard, he would. Unfortunately, point guard is the 2nd most valuable position and a hard one to get a great player at. I believe that we've tried to get Hinrich in the past and we've allegedly talked to Andre Miller very recently. So if Pritchard thinks Blake is so amazing, why would we be looking at those guys at all and why would he ever have traded him years back?

And as for the idea that Pritchard overvalues his players...his players got us 54 wins last season. Yet we've tried to sign Turkoglu and Milsap...neither of whom are 'his' players. If he overvalued 'his' guys, why would we try to acquire anybody else?

Steve Patterson traded Blake, not Kevin Pritchard. Kevin Pritchard was angry according to the reports, and bringing Blake back was a top priority of his when he became GM.

 

[Ed O]

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Bayless laid an enormous egg in Vegas. He wasn't a rookie and was supposedly working on his "PG" game for an entire year- and he looked very poor.

I still can't tell if you're kidding.

Are you kidding?

Bayless didn't play well, but he STILL was the youngest guy on our team and one of the youngest in the summer league.

Did he average 30 points a game? No. That does not mean that he "laid an enormous egg", and I find it hilarious that anyone would think that it did.

Ed O.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I still can't tell if you're kidding.

Are you kidding?

Bayless didn't play well, but he STILL was the youngest guy on our team and one of the youngest in the summer league.

Did he average 30 points a game? No. That does not mean that he "laid an enormous egg", and I find it hilarious that anyone would think that it did.

Ed O.

Why?

I don't know if you had a chance to watch the games themselves, but most of his assists were hand offs. He was completely flustered by weak double teams that Jeter shredded and frankly was maybe the worst "PG" I saw after watching every game. At least that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Ed O]

Why?

I don't know if you had a chance to watch the games themselves, but most of his assists were hand offs. He was completely flustered by weak double teams that Jeter shredded and frankly was maybe the worst "PG" I saw after watching every game. At least that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Of course I watched the games. I didn't see the final one (against the Select team) but I watched pretty closely.

Bayless was easily the best player on the Blazers team... the only one that the other team made any effort to double-team or otherwise help out on. He made a TON of turnovers, no question, but he was still able to do whatever he wanted with the ball, whether it was get to the rack and the line or get off jumpers (some of which he actually made this summer).

Ed O.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

What would be the smartest move KP made in a long time? Elaborate please?

Maybe because BayLESS stinks?

 

[Haakzilla]

...unfortunately, Bayless has a piss-poor attitude and I would not mind at all if he was included in some sort of trade package that landed a starting quality SF/PG!!!

 

[tlongII]

Why?

I don't know if you had a chance to watch the games themselves, but most of his assists were hand offs. He was completely flustered by weak double teams that Jeter shredded and frankly was maybe the worst "PG" I saw after watching every game. At least that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I'm considering de-repping you.

 

[tlongII]

...unfortunately, Bayless has a piss-poor attitude and I would not mind at all if he was included in some sort of trade package that landed a starting quality SF/PG!!!

Really? Such a piss-poor attitude that he's almost maniacal about working to get better?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Here's a theory that should warm the hearts of those wanting to get Sessions with a sign-and-trade: the suggestion that a holdup (and a reason for the Blazers' complete silence on Sessions) is that we'd also be trading for Kurt Thomas and/or Bruce Bowen as well, and neither of those can be bundled with Sessions until August 23rd.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Here's a theory that should warm the hearts of those wanting to get Sessions with a sign-and-trade: the suggestion that a holdup (and a reason for the Blazers' complete silence on Sessions) is that we'd also be trading for Kurt Thomas and/or Bruce Bowen as well, and neither of those can be bundled with Sessions until August 23rd.

I doubt that. If that were the case we wouldn't hear about the nearing of offers from other teams.

Besides we could pull of the deal by making two simultaneous deals, right?

Sign-and-trade Sessions for Bayless, using our cap space to absorb about $3M and then, in a separate deal trading the rest of our cap space for Thomas (isn't he at $4M).

 

[Ed O]

Really? Such a piss-poor attitude that he's almost maniacal about working to get better?

You took the letters off of my fingers... or something.

A bad attitude? From Bayless?

Where do people come up with this stuff?

Ed O.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Besides we could pull of the deal by making two simultaneous deals, right?

Sign-and-trade Sessions for Bayless, using our cap space to absorb about $3M and then, in a separate deal trading the rest of our cap space for Thomas (isn't he at $4M).

Doing that would turn part of our cap space into a trade exception that can only be used on a single player. Waiting and bundling would leave us with more cap space.

[Edit: I am confused here. Let me think if I can salvage some sense in what I said. Hmmm... Okay, no. Let's see the proposal:
Bucks send re-signed sessions (around $6M) and Thomas ($3.8M) to Blazers. We send Bayless and ??? to Bucks. If it was just Bayless, then what CtC says above makes sense. But if we're trying to preserve cap space by adding more to Bayless in the trade (Martell? Outlaw?) then... what CtC says still makes sense. The ONLY reason we wouldn't be able to do this is if more than simply Thomas and Sessions were coming over, or if the Bucks wanted to trade Thomas AND Bowen AND Sessions or if Sessions' agent wanted to wait it out and see if they can con the Knicks or someone into offering him a nice fat juicy offer sheet (perhaps more than the Blazers would by themselves, not wanting to bid against themselves).]

 

[RR7]

I'm confused on how it would leave us with mroe cap space, or what deal you are envisioning exactly, ras.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Of course I watched the games. I didn't see the final one (against the Select team) but I watched pretty closely.

Bayless was easily the best player on the Blazers team... the only one that the other team made any effort to double-team or otherwise help out on. He made a TON of turnovers, no question, but he was still able to do whatever he wanted with the ball, whether it was get to the rack and the line or get off jumpers (some of which he actually made this summer).

Ed O.

I am not saying Bayless isn't a good general player. He is. I also love his attitude. My only point is that his pure PG skills are nearly non existant and I would have expected better after being in the NBA for a year.

 

[illmatic99]

Here's a theory that should warm the hearts of those wanting to get Sessions with a sign-and-trade: the suggestion that a holdup (and a reason for the Blazers' complete silence on Sessions) is that we'd also be trading for Kurt Thomas and/or Bruce Bowen as well, and neither of those can be bundled with Sessions until August 23rd.

Hm....

Word on the street is that I'm about to be traded. Anyone know anything about it?about 2 hours ago from web

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hm....

To the Knicks?


Like in a two parter?

 

[Ed O]

I am not saying Bayless isn't a good general player. He is. I also love his attitude. My only point is that his pure PG skills are nearly non existant and I would have expected better after being in the NBA for a year.

THAT makes a lot more sense. Sorry if I was arguing something we weren't disagreeing about.

Where we diverge here is just that I'm not in a huge rush to expect PG skills from Bayless. I think that as long as he can attack the basket and play passable defense, he'll be able to contribute in the backup PG spot this year.

We'll see...

Ed O.

 

[B-Roy]

THAT makes a lot more sense. Sorry if I was arguing something we weren't disagreeing about.

Where we diverge here is just that I'm not in a huge rush to expect PG skills from Bayless. I think that as long as he can attack the basket and play passable defense, he'll be able to contribute in the backup PG spot this year.

We'll see...

Ed O.

Well said. People need to temper their expectations a bit...

 

[oldmangrouch]

You took the letters off of my fingers... or something.

A bad attitude? From Bayless?

Where do people come up with this stuff?

Ed O.

It is way overblown. I must admit, however, that when I heard he was missing the game against the select team, my first thought was "phantom injury to avoid getting embarassed."

 

[oldmangrouch]

I would think we can all agree on 3 things.

A) Bayless is not ready to be a starting PG.

B) We have no clue when/if he ever will be.

C) Given "A" and "B", he is most certainly not untouchable in trade talks.