Rumor: We are offering Bayless

[Idog1976]

Doing that would turn part of our cap space into a trade exception that can only be used on a single player. Waiting and bundling would leave us with more cap space.

[Edit: I am confused here. Let me think if I can salvage some sense in what I said. Hmmm... Okay, no. Let's see the proposal:
Bucks send re-signed sessions (around $6M) and Thomas ($3.8M) to Blazers. We send Bayless and ??? to Bucks. If it was just Bayless, then what CtC says above makes sense. But if we're trying to preserve cap space by adding more to Bayless in the trade (Martell? Outlaw?) then... what CtC says still makes sense. The ONLY reason we wouldn't be able to do this is if more than simply Thomas and Sessions were coming over, or if the Bucks wanted to trade Thomas AND Bowen AND Sessions or if Sessions' agent wanted to wait it out and see if they can con the Knicks or someone into offering him a nice fat juicy offer sheet (perhaps more than the Blazers would by themselves, not wanting to bid against themselves).]

Bowen, Thomas and Sessions for Bayless, Rudy and Outlaw.

We solve all of our position problems in one trade.

PG: Sessions/Blake/jeter
SG: Roy/Bowen/Blake
SF: Batum/Bowen
PF: LMA/Thomas/Cunningham
C: Oden/Przybilla/Pendegraph

I like that team. A good mix of experience and youth. I really can't stand Bowen's dirty play but maybe KP doesn't feel the same way. Bowen's defense also has really gone downhill, but I suppose he can guard second string perimeter players for 15 to 20 minutes a game and nail the open 3 ball. I love the Kurt Thomas pickup he's perfect behind LMA absolutely perfect. I might even play him with Oden sometimes to let GO concentrate on his post game with Thomas cleaning the glass on the weak side. LMA and Przybilla work well together as well so it would be a fairly fluid lineup.

I like it and it seems feasible.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Bowen, Thomas and Sessions for Bayless, Rudy and Outlaw.

We solve all of our position problems in one trade.

PG: Sessions/Blake/jeter
SG: Roy/Bowen/Blake
SF: Batum/Bowen
PF: LMA/Thomas/Cunningham
C: Oden/Przybilla/Pendegraph

I like that team. A good mix of experience and youth. I really can't stand Bowen's dirty play but maybe KP doesn't feel the same way. Bowen's defense also has really gone downhill, but I suppose he can guard second string perimeter players for 15 to 20 minutes a game and nail the open 3 ball. I love the Kurt Thomas pickup he's perfect behind LMA absolutely perfect. I might even play him with Oden sometimes to let GO concentrate on his post game with Thomas cleaning the glass on the weak side. LMA and Przybilla work well together as well so it would be a fairly fluid lineup.

I like it and it seems feasible.

The Bucks would easily do that trade, I would not however. I think it's over-paying. Instead of Rudy, I would include a future 1st rounder, or some of the talent we picked up in this year's draft. They can use a Pendergraph most certainly just for starters. Just for the record, I think if we offered Bayless and Outlaw for Sessions, they would do it without a doubt. I just don't think Pritchard would.

 

[Idog1976]

The Bucks would easily do that trade, I would not however. I think it's over-paying. Instead of Rudy, I would include a future 1st rounder, or some of the talent we picked up in this year's draft. They can use a Pendergraph most certainly just for starters. Just for the record, I think if we offered Bayless and Outlaw for Sessions, they would do it without a doubt. I just don't think Pritchard would.

I absolutely think KP would do that. I don't think the Bucks would. They might consider it, but it wouldn't be a no brainer. We absolutely have to be willing to give up real talent that is valued (Rudy, Joel or Batum) if we want to get a good player.

Milwaukee I believe knows what they have in Sessions but doesn't want to pay him especially when they might get similar results from Jennings who, unlike Bayless, looked pretty promising in SL. The thing is Milwaukee would want real value for Sessions and would probably be willing to part with Thomas and Bowen as throw ins. I think people on this board over value our players quite a bit.

Joel and Rudy are backups and have to be on the table for starters at positions of need. We especially need a PG and to a lesser degree a SF although Batum will eventually fill that role. We really need another play maker/ball handler on this team who can create his own shot and feed our bigs. Of course shooting is a big plus, but that can be taught.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Bayless for Augustin straight up.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Bowen, Thomas and Sessions for Bayless, Rudy and Outlaw.

We solve all of our position problems in one trade.

PG: Sessions/Blake/jeter
SG: Roy/Bowen/Blake
SF: Batum/Bowen
PF: LMA/Thomas/Cunningham
C: Oden/Przybilla/Pendegraph

While I also value Sessions, that is an insane amount of talent to give up for a guy that isn't all the way proven and can't really shoot. With that group of players, I'd rather go for someone like Gerald Wallace. Face it, Bowen and Thomas wouldn't bring much to the table at this point in their careers.

 

[RR7]

Bowen and Thomas are throw ins for them, so essentially Sessions, a RFA they have not offered a deal to, and who plays a position that they just drafted a young prospect at, and who didn't start full time there, for Rudy, Bayles, and Outlaw? HELL no. Sorry. That's way overpaying. If you really want Sessions, you overpay moneywise, and make it hard on Milwaukee. Sure, the first two years will be at MLE money, but in years 3, 4, and 5, if you are paying him 9 million a year, does Milwaukee want to pay that, when they just drafted Jennings, who should be able to start by then, if not sooner? A normal team, maybe. A cheaper team, though? Wouldn't make sense to pay your backup 9 million a year. I don't know if they would match that offer to him. If they do, then so be it. They'll be looking to move Jennings in two years. But to give up Rudy and Outlaw, who were both solid contributors to our team, as well as a good prospect in Bayless for him? No.

 

[SpanishFly]

Bowen and Thomas are throw ins for them, so essentially Sessions, a RFA they have not offered a deal to, and who plays a position that they just drafted a young prospect at, and who didn't start full time there, for Rudy, Bayles, and Outlaw? HELL no. Sorry. That's way overpaying. If you really want Sessions, you overpay moneywise, and make it hard on Milwaukee. Sure, the first two years will be at MLE money, but in years 3, 4, and 5, if you are paying him 9 million a year, does Milwaukee want to pay that, when they just drafted Jennings, who should be able to start by then, if not sooner? A normal team, maybe. A cheaper team, though? Wouldn't make sense to pay your backup 9 million a year. I don't know if they would match that offer to him. If they do, then so be it. They'll be looking to move Jennings in two years. But to give up Rudy and Outlaw, who were both solid contributors to our team, as well as a good prospect in Bayless for him? No.

If we really want Sessions throw a full MLE at him and see if Mil blinks - they might. Or tell MIL a full MLE offer is coming and offer value like TO or Bayless or Webs in a sign and trade. Overpaying is not smart IMO.

 

[Idog1976]

Bowen and Thomas are throw ins for them, so essentially Sessions, a RFA they have not offered a deal to, and who plays a position that they just drafted a young prospect at, and who didn't start full time there, for Rudy, Bayles, and Outlaw? HELL no. Sorry. That's way overpaying. If you really want Sessions, you overpay moneywise, and make it hard on Milwaukee. Sure, the first two years will be at MLE money, but in years 3, 4, and 5, if you are paying him 9 million a year, does Milwaukee want to pay that, when they just drafted Jennings, who should be able to start by then, if not sooner? A normal team, maybe. A cheaper team, though? Wouldn't make sense to pay your backup 9 million a year. I don't know if they would match that offer to him. If they do, then so be it. They'll be looking to move Jennings in two years. But to give up Rudy and Outlaw, who were both solid contributors to our team, as well as a good prospect in Bayless for him? No.

Bayless and Outlaw are essentially throw ins for us. Thomas is still a great defensive player and would be a fantastic addition to our bigs. Bowen I agree is largely garbage but he is also expiring at the end of the year and could be traded again at the deadline or just let expire.

Really the trade is Rudy for Sessions and throw ins on both sides. Sessions plays at a position of need as simple as that. Rudy plays behind Roy in his natural position as a SG.

Outlaws PER is extremely misleading and I would MUCH rather have Thomas as a back up Power Forward instead of Outlaw as the powerless forward. Bayless might be better then Bowen but he could also be an undersized SG bust. Get Batum a veteran backup.

I think this trade is fair.

 

[RR7]

The big difference between their throw ins and our "throw ins" is their throw ins are both over the hill, and have absolutely no value to them, a rebuilding team. Our throw ins include a very good contributor and good 6th man. Say what you will about his black-holeness, etc. he is not a throw in in this deal. He is a legit 6th man in the NBA. And Bayless is at the very least a 20 year old second year prospect. So no. It does not come down to Rudy for Sessions. It is 2 legitimate players and big contributors on a 54 win team, along with a player with a lot of potential for two throw ins who offer their current team nothing, and a young PG. That is nowhere near fair. That's horribly overpaying when Milwaukee is already stuck with whether to match a large offer to Sessions, and risk paying him a lot when Jennings is ready. Terrible deal for us.

 

[SpanishFly]

Bayless and Outlaw are essentially throw ins for us. Thomas is still a great defensive player and would be a fantastic addition to our bigs. Bowen I agree is largely garbage but he is also expiring at the end of the year and could be traded again at the deadline or just let expire.

Really the trade is Rudy for Sessions and throw ins on both sides. Sessions plays at a position of need as simple as that. Rudy plays behind Roy in his natural position as a SG.

Outlaws PER is extremely misleading and I would MUCH rather have Thomas as a back up Power Forward instead of Outlaw as the powerless forward. Bayless might be better then Bowen but he could also be an undersized SG bust. Get Batum a veteran backup.

I think this trade is fair.

Ridiculous to offer Rudy in this situation IMO. MLE offer and MIL gets nothing perhaps, or Bayless or TO for Sessions in sign n trade.

 

[RR7]

Another way is, you offer to take Bell off of their hands, instead of Bowen, since he has two years beyond this on his deal. If you felt that Sessions was a much better prospect than Bayless, offer Outlaw and Bayless for Bell, Sessions, and Thomas.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Another way is, you offer to take Bell off of their hands, instead of Bowen, since he has two years beyond this on his deal. If you felt that Sessions was a much better prospect than Bayless, offer Outlaw and Bayless for Bell, Sessions, and Thomas.

I would even throw in a 2nd rounder or two or Pendergraph.

 

[Haakzilla]

Really? Such a piss-poor attitude that he's almost maniacal about working to get better?

...sorry, let me re-phrase that. Bayless has a piss-poor TEAM attitude!!! I witnessed it in person during summer league last year and I read his quotes from this summer league where he threw his TEAMmates under the bus and blamed them for all of his TO's etc etc. Don't get me wrong, I love his tenacity and work ethic, but I won't be sad to see him used as bait for someone MUCH better in ALL aspects of the TEAM game!!!

 

[Idog1976]

Another way is, you offer to take Bell off of their hands, instead of Bowen, since he has two years beyond this on his deal. If you felt that Sessions was a much better prospect than Bayless, offer Outlaw and Bayless for Bell, Sessions, and Thomas.

I like that deal better then mine. I just don't think Milwaukie goes for it. Rudy might be too much, but where is he going to get his minutes if we have Blake/Sessions as our PG's? Maybe we can trade him for Gerald Wallace with our capspace?

PG Sessions/Blake
SG Roy/Webster
SF Wallace/Batum
PF LMA/Thomas/Cunningham
C Oden/Joel/Pendergraph

That looks pretty good actually.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I like that deal better then mine. I just don't think Milwaukie goes for it. Rudy might be too much, but where is he going to get his minutes if we have Blake/Sessions as our PG's? Maybe we can trade him for Gerald Wallace with our capspace?

PG Sessions/Blake
SG Roy/Webster
SF Wallace/Batum
PF LMA/Thomas/Cunningham
C Oden/Joel/Pendergraph

That looks pretty good actually.

I think teams are often looking for cheap, young up and coming talent. So I think the Bucks would pretty easily give up Sessions for a cheap Bayless and Outlaw. We could throw in a 1st rounder or something if necessary but I think they would pretty easily do it. I would think that the 'Cats would pretty easily give up Gerald for a young and cheap Rudy and filler too. Although, I don't know if Gerald would fit as well with Sessions who isn't supposed to be a great shooter, much like Wallace. I love Gerald Wallace though.

 

[Idog1976]

I think teams are often looking for cheap, young up and coming talent. So I think the Bucks would pretty easily give up Sessions for a cheap Bayless and Outlaw. We could throw in a 1st rounder or something if necessary but I think they would pretty easily do it. I would think that the 'Cats would pretty easily give up Gerald for a young and cheap Rudy and filler too. Although, I don't know if Gerald would fit as well with Sessions who isn't supposed to be a great shooter, much like Wallace. I love Gerald Wallace though.

Maybe Rudy and Joel for Battier and Landry?

 

[Ed O]

Maybe Rudy and Joel for Battier and Landry?

I would hate that trade. So.

Much.

Ed O.

 

[Cake]

I would hate that trade. So.

Much.

Ed O.

Yeah, that would be awful. We trade the best player and a damn good player at the most valuable position for a marginal SF upgrade and an okay backup PF? Awful.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Maybe Rudy and Joel for Battier and Landry?

Not a good deal at all. The Rox would do that yesterday.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Since we're throwing ideas out....

Bayless/Webster for Augustin/Ajinca