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GDiama said:
It can be Zach coming off the bench though. And even off the bench we are talking for around 28-30 minutes if he plays both positions.
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Zach can play both positions. From everything I have been reading, Sabonis is not a power forward.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Zach can play both positions. From everything I have been reading, Sabonis is not a power forward.
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Sometimes being better at basketball comes before positional fit. Especially when we are not talking about a position that is unknown to him. He has played it a lot in his career. He is better at C, but he can play PF too.
 
GDiama said:
Sometimes being better at basketball comes before positional fit. Especially when we are not talking about a position that is unknown to him. He has played it a lot in his career. He is better at C, but he can play PF too.
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But we have centers. It's simply not a position of need. We need a power forward.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But we have centers. It's simply not a position of need. We need a power forward.
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I think Whiteside is just a one year thing and there is 20 minutes to fill behind Nurk. There is also minutes to fill behind any PF. Or course Zach can do it as well, but he needs to improve a lot. They are on different level right now.

As for the starting PF we need one since Aldridge left, no luck there. I also don't see anyone gettable that is accepted by everyone. When people complain about Love and Griffin I don't really know what they expect. There is not many available.
 
theprunetang said:
Let's revisit this in a year.
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Sure, i would like to know though what would make me look foolish? Will he reach lets say 15 points/8 rebounds and good D? Post some good advanced stats because the raw ones don't pop out? Right now those stats seem a ceiling for the year and this is miles away from what Love, Griffin or Aldridge can do. So this wouldn't really make me feel foolish.
 
I guess if you could get Sabonis and then trade Whiteside for Love or Griffin, you have a 3 big lineup of Nurk/Griffin/Sabonis. That's pretty good. But I think Collins is better at playing power forward.
 
What the hell is going on? We haven't won a game YET??? Screw it! Trade the whole team!!!

Edit: FUCK getting Kevin Love. That's some retarded shit right there....
 
Natebishop3 said:
Is anyone comfortable paying Sabonis a ton of money to come off the bench?
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We don't know yet what we'd sign him for. The Blazers won't likely have significant cap space for at least 6 years now with the Dame and CJ extensions so they'll have to be creative in ways to add and retain talent during that time.

The free agent center market just isn't like it used to be. I'd be surprised if Sabonis gets more than $15 million per year. There is still one more year of paying Collins on his rookie deal after this one. If Nurk, Collins, and Sabas formed a really good big man trio, which I think they would, then I don't think they'd have too much invested in those three. If Simons develops, we'd have both a great 3 man guard rotation and a really solid 3 man big rotation. That just leaves filling in the wings as the only weakness. Assuming the Blazers want to keep Hood they can offer around $10 million to him this summer. Bringing in Sabonis now also allows the Blazers to trade Whiteside for a wing before Nurk is back. Fill in the roster with vets like they did this summer and I think it's fine to pay Sabonis.
 
GDiama said:
I think Whiteside is just a one year thing and there is 20 minutes to fill behind Nurk. There is also minutes to fill behind any PF. Or course Zach can do it as well, but he needs to improve a lot. They are on different level right now.

As for the starting PF we need one since Aldridge left, no luck there. I also don't see anyone gettable that is accepted by everyone. When people complain about Love and Griffin I don't really know what they expect. There is not many available.
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I would take Sabonis playing PF next to Nurk 100% of the time over either Love or Aldridge playing PF at this stage in their careers. That's also why I still believe Zach can play PF because his lateral quickness is better than all of those guys.
 
GDiama said:
Sure, i would like to know though what would make me look foolish? Will he reach lets say 15 points/8 rebounds and good D? Post some good advanced stats because the raw ones don't pop out? Right now those stats seem a ceiling for the year and this is miles away from what Love, Griffin or Aldridge can do. So this wouldn't really make me feel foolish.
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Collins will be better defensively than all 3 players you mentioned. And let's not pretend that this year is his prime or ceiling. He is only going to get better. But yeah, let's give up a young lengthy defensive stud with an improving offensive game for no defense, old, often injured Love.
 
wizenheimer said:
bbref says he played 33% or the time at PF and 68% at C

82games says the breakdown was Sabonis played 11% of Indy's PF minutes and 35% of their C minutes.

so, they seem to have the breakdowns about the same. 82games breaks it down a little more: Sabonis was a slightly better offensively at C, going by PER and rebound rate; better eFG% at PF though. But Sabonis was much better defensively at PF. He gave up a PER of 22.4 at C and 13.5 at PF

going by the numbers at 82games, Sabonis was a better overall PF last season than Zach. He just didn't play as big of chunk of his minutes there:

http://www.82games.com/1819/18IND16.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1819/18POR15.HTM
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Mostly against a weaker conference, playing a different role, under a different coach and system.

I may regret saying this, but i think Collins can be championship caliber role player.
He is the guy who talks trash,gets 4 blocks in a bigtime playoff game, hits the open 3, gets the other team's star in heated feuds\techs.

Sabonis is a nice player for a nice team. He doesn't complement our other players mentally or defensively imo.
 
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Blazers Roy said:
Mostly against a weaker conference, playing a different role, under a different coach and system.

I may regret saying this, but i think Collins can be championship caliber role player.
He is the guy who talks trash,gets 4 blocks in a bigtime playoff game, hits the open 3, get the other team's star in heated feuds\techs.

Sabonis is a nice player for a nice team. He doesn't complement our other players mentally or defensively imo.
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Also, if his last name wasn't Sabonis, and his dad's name wasn't Arvydas, this wouldn't be brought up.
 
julius said:
Also, if his last name wasn't Sabonis, and his dad's name wasn't Arvydas, this wouldn't be brought up.
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As someone who has pushed hard for this trade.......you are correct.

Arvydas is not only my favorite Blazer but my favorite NBA player ever.
 
theprunetang said:
Collins will be better defensively than all 3 players you mentioned. And let's not pretend that this year is his prime or ceiling. He is only going to get better. But yeah, let's give up a young lengthy defensive stud with an improving offensive game for no defense, old, often injured Love.
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i did not say that so you make no sense. Zach is good backup and I also said i prefer we wouldn't give up Zach even for Sabonis. But if we get Griffin AND Sabonis then of course i would give Zach yesterday.
 
GDiama said:
i did not say that so you make no sense. Zach is good backup and I also said i prefer we wouldn't give up Zach even for Sabonis. But if we get Griffin AND Sabonis then of course i would give Zach yesterday.
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You are the one making no sense. Zach is a starter, and should be. And you must be living on a different planet of you think we have a way to get Griffin and Sabonis. Haha
 
theprunetang said:
You are the one making no sense. Zach is a starter, and should be. And you must be living on a different planet of you think we have a way to get Griffin and Sabonis. Haha
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First of all lets not pretend you know anything that has to do with basketball outside the Blazers. I doubt you have watched Sabonis play, maybe only against the Blazers. You said from what i have heard, what i have read etc.

As for the trades we won't know if we don't try. And this should happen around deadline. Zach for Sabonis and Little+matching contracts+1st for Griffin i think are decent offers if Pistons are out of playoffs.
 
GDiama said:
First of all lets not pretend you know anything that has to do with basketball outside the Blazers. I doubt you have watched Sabonis play, maybe only against the Blazers. You said from what i have heard, what i have read etc.

As for the trades we won't know if we don't try. And this should happen around deadline. Zach for Sabonis and Little+matching contracts+1st for Griffin i think are decent offers if Pistons are out of playoffs.
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No need to be an asshole dude. I have been watching basketball for a long time. I'm a junkie. I'm done talking to you as you apparently can't talk basketball without insulting me. Peace.
 
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