Science and Religion questions (3 Viewers)

[magnifier661]

OMG!!! Hey, we need to (finally) get together for coffee, a beer, or whatever. I've always wanted to meet you from waaaaay back when in our early O-Live days.

What say you?

PS: I promise I won't preach to you.

He sounds like dr. Hoopsberg

 

[ABM]

He sounds like dr. Hoopsberg

Nope, not even close. I've met Doc Hoopsberg, actually. He's a great guy, too! He was attempting to get me to join him in some sales efforts.

 

[magnifier661]

Nope, not even close. I've met Doc Hoopsberg, actually. He's a great guy, too! He was attempting to get me to join him in some sales efforts.

Hoopsberg used to sell advertisement for golf courses. Yeah he's cool.

 

[ABM]

Hoopsberg used to sell advertisement for golf courses. Yeah he's cool.

Yep..

 

[ABM]

ABM, it's me. Your friend with all the dead Airedales.

Man, my hopes are drilled to the furthest levels, then.

 

[jlprk]

Magnifier, you are passing up some top-notch rational proofs against atheism. For example, the water argument.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64512

 

[magnifier661]

Magnifier, you are passing up some top-notch rational proofs against atheism. For example, the water argument.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64512

Why would I need anymore? You still haven't given a decent rebuttal for my current ones.

 

[Sinobas]

We don't know why there is something instead of nothing, or why are fundamental forces are what they are, or how they came about. Science if founded on something we can either observe, or observe the effects of.

So you have all the hypothetical Gods you want, but what does your god do? In the Old and New Testament, he did all sorts of things, but lately has apparantly decided he wants everyone to believe in him without any signs. That's a silly game.

A world without an omnicient,all-powerful deity is indistinguishable from the one we live in now.

 

[magnifier661]

We don't know why there is something instead of nothing, or why are fundamental forces are what they are, or how they came about. Science if founded on something we can either observe, or observe the effects of.

So you have all the hypothetical Gods you want, but what does your god do? In the Old and New Testament, he did all sorts of things, but lately has apparantly decided he wants everyone to believe in him without any signs. That's a silly game.

A world without an omnicient,all-powerful deity is indistinguishable from the one we live in now.

Well guess he's doing something right cause Christianity is still the #1 theist belief today

 

[TripTango]

Well guess he's doing something right cause Christianity is still the #1 theist belief today

Great taste! Less filling! Great taste! Less filling!

 

[magnifier661]

Great taste! Less filling! Great taste! Less filling!

. Now where are the hot chics ripping each other's clothes off?

 

[TripTango]

. Now where are the hot chics ripping each other's clothes off?

Ask, and ye shall receive. (It's the #1 American-Style Light Lager!)

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[magnifier661]

Ask, and ye shall receive. (It's the #1 American-Style Light Lager!)

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Lol

 

[Denny Crane]

All I want is for the self proclaimed atheists to wear a mood ring or something. Hard to tell the flavor of atheism without.

 

[crowTrobot]

We don't know why there is something instead of nothing

why is there something instead of nothing isn't necessarily even a coherent question. if the existence of something is eternal there wouldn't be a reason it exists. it would just be the way things are.

 

[Sinobas]

Well guess he's doing something right cause Christianity is still the #1 theist belief today

Christianity has existed for less than 1% of human history though. Other beliefs have dominated for a much longer time period. Does God cause belief, or is that a product of human minds?

 

[magnifier661]

Christianity has existed for less than 1% of human history though. Other beliefs have dominated for a much longer time period. Does God cause belief, or is that a product of human minds?

I think God installed this program to seek him out. I think this is why there are so many different religions. I think humanity always wants to know about the beginning. They want purpose. That there is a reason why we are here.

 

[magnifier661]

why is there something instead of nothing isn't necessarily even a coherent question. if the existence of something is eternal there wouldn't be a reason it exists. it would just be the way things are.

That isn't the mindset for humanity. If humanity was so open to leave things the way things are; we'd all still be hunter gathers.

 

[TripTango]

I think God installed this program to seek him out. I think this is why there are so many different religions. I think humanity always wants to know about the beginning. They want purpose. That there is a reason why we are here.

 

[magnifier661]

I do have a question though about the universe's age. And this isn't some ploy to open a debate for a young earth, but it applies. I still believe in an old universe.

I question a few things I learned about the Big Bang.

1.) the universe for a few minutes traveled faster than the speed of light.

If that's the case and we measured the age if the universe by the distance of the farthest star; how can this be an accurate measurement?

2.). How much faster than the speed of light did the universe expand?

3.). How do we know we've seen the farthest regions of the universe?

 

[magnifier661]

Bingo! Wouldn't that be insane? We go in thinking we know our purpose then we meet our creator and he's some programer.

 

[crowTrobot]

Well guess he's doing something right cause Christianity is still the #1 theist belief today

if you look at reproduction rates Islam will be very soon, possibly in your lifetime. Christians better step up the breeding.

 

[magnifier661]

Trip, it's funny that you mention the matrix. There is so much reference to Christianity in there it's crazy.

The main programer is "god"; who can't see the gray area. It's either right or wrong.

Neo is Jesus who doesn't truly understand his true purpose only until the end and sacrifices himself for all humanity.

You have the oracle who reminds me if satan; who plants seeds in our minds to mess up God's perfect world.

And you have Morpheus who reminds me of Paul; that spreads the faith that neo is Jesus and will save all humanity.

And then you have trinity; who reminds me of Mary, in love with Jesus because he truly understands the purpose of Jesus.

Then you have Zion; which are followers that want to believe in a savior they cannot see.

Then you have the people in the matrix that don't believe the matrix even exists.

And then you have agent smith; who represents the anti-Christ; who eventual gains control of the entire world; only to be stopped by Neo.

 

[magnifier661]

if you look at reproduction rates Islam will be very soon, possibly in your lifetime. Christians better step up the breeding.

Muslims believe in the same God, FYI.

 

[TripTango]

Muslims believe in the same God, FYI.

So you don't consider that whole "Jesus is God" thing to be very significant?

 

[TripTango]

Trip, it's funny that you mention the matrix. There is so much reference to Christianity in there it's crazy.

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Yeah -- it's about as subtle as a bo-staff to the head. ;D

 

[magnifier661]

So you don't consider that whole "Jesus is God" thing to be very significant?

In my faith it's absolutely significant. But Jews and Muslims believe in the same god as Christians. Only difference is the Jews don't believe in Christ and Muslims believe Jesus was just a profit.

 

[crowTrobot]

That isn't the mindset for humanity. If humanity was so open to leave things the way things are; we'd all still be hunter gathers.

I didn't say we shouldn't ask the question, but at the same time we should be aware that as far as we know the best answer to 'why is there something instead of nothing' may be 'why not!'

 

[magnifier661]

I do have a question though about the universe's age. And this isn't some ploy to open a debate for a young earth, but it applies. I still believe in an old universe.

I question a few things I learned about the Big Bang.

1.) the universe for a few minutes traveled faster than the speed of light.

If that's the case and we measured the age if the universe by the distance of the farthest star; how can this be an accurate measurement?

2.). How much faster than the speed of light did the universe expand?

3.). How do we know we've seen the farthest regions of the universe?

I'm going to bump this since no one responded.

 

[TripTango]

In my faith it's absolutely significant. But Jews and Muslims believe in the same god as Christians. Only difference is the Jews don't believe in Christ and Muslims believe Jesus was just a profit.

I understand that. My question is whether or not they are actually the "same god" without Jesus. There's no question they have the same historical and cultural roots, but that doesn't make them "the same".