Scoot and Sharpe in the backcourt?

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blazerkor said:
I do not see why we wouldn't take the trade value on this guy and try to make a legit run with Dame.
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Because no team with a star would do that deal and it would take a star and a couple more to be a legit contender. It is like trying to keep patching a leaky pipe. It never gets better and replacing it, even though costly, is the only true answer.
 
blazerkor said:
He would on most teams in the league where he wasn't having to backup Dame. I do not see why we wouldn't take the trade value on this guy and try to make a legit run with Dame. Obviously another big move or two and subsequent moves will be necessary but if you're going to draft and keep Scoot just tell Dame it's time to move on.
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That would definitely send a message to Dame.
 
lamlor said:
Because no team with a star would do that deal and it would take a star and a couple more to be a legit contender. It is like trying to keep patching a leaky pipe. It never gets better and replacing it, even though costly, is the only true answer.
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I can respect the idea that the only way to contention is to trade Dame. I just think that idea and this example of it lack imagination and I hope our front office has more options than you seem to think they do. I also don't know what "that deal" you are referring to. We would have to match salaries, so unless the team giving us that star back liked the idea of Scoot and Ant (which they could) we would have to get a third team involved to get good value for Ant. The fact is we have a lot of pieces that could be in play and so a lot of things could change. I hope they do... or I hope the team goes your way and we build around the youth and picks that we already have and add to it what we can for Dame... but giving it a real shot with Dame for once would be my first choice.
 
Hoopguru said:
That would definitely send a message to Dame.
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Yeah Dame might like Scoot but people that think Dame will be cool with drafting a 19 year old who is ball dominant and around Dame's height with the best trade piece (pick 3) that we've had since Dame has been here... come on!!! If we choose to draft Scoot then we are choosing Scoot over Dame and should already have a plan in place to capitalize on the back half of that.
 
Hoopguru said:
Scoot will be a young rook and will be lucky to get 15 minutes a night, off the bench.
Not many young guards come in and have big time impact 1st year at 19.
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Sharpe averaged 22 minutes a game last season. I don't see any possibility that Scoot plays only 15 minutes a game.
 
blazerkor said:
I can respect the idea that the only way to contention is to trade Dame. I just think that idea and this example of it lack imagination and I hope our front office has more options than you seem to think they do. I also don't know what "that deal" you are referring to. We would have to match salaries, so unless the team giving us that star back liked the idea of Scoot and Ant (which they could) we would have to get a third team involved to get good value for Ant. The fact is we have a lot of pieces that could be in play and so a lot of things could change. I hope they do... or I hope the team goes your way and we build around the youth and picks that we already have and add to it what we can for Dame... but giving it a real shot with Dame for once would be my first choice.
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It has nothing to do with imagination. It has to do with assets, payroll room, and style of play of Dame.

I don't understand how a tanking team suddenly has valued players to trade for more valued players to build this team? A soon to be 33 year old Lillard who for various reasons hasn't played a full season in the last two years. So imagination isn't what is needed, more like a genie in the bottle.

I would much rather see Lillard and a championship roster, but with what we have to offer and the braintrust we have to gather it, I don't see it possible. 11 years of various rosters tells me we have never been really that close (no championship appearances). And those were his prime years.

Not here to argue, just don't believe in magic.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Sharpe averaged 22 minutes a game last season. I don't see any possibility that Scoot plays 15 minutes a game.
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Yeah. On the chance that we are able to draft Scoot, I think Ant has to be gone, so we have a 3 guard lineup.

There are 96 minutes between the two starting guard spots.

Dame 35 mpg
Sharpe 35 mpg

That leaves 26 minutes for Scoot.

The problem is Thybulle. We could have Thybulle take some minutes from the three. Give Scoot 20 minutes, maybe shave Dame back to around 34 minutes, so that opens up 7 minutes and then we could give Tysse the backup small forward minutes so 14 minutes at small forward. That's about 21 minutes total for Thybulle.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah. On the chance that we are able to draft Scoot, I think Ant has to be gone, so we have a 3 guard lineup.

There are 96 minutes between the two starting guard spots.

Dame 35 mpg
Sharpe 35 mpg

That leaves 26 minutes for Scoot.

The problem is Thybulle. We could have Thybulle take some minutes from the three. Give Scoot 20 minutes, maybe shave Dame back to around 34 minutes, so that opens up 7 minutes and then we could give Tysse the backup small forward minutes so 14 minutes at small forward. That's about 21 minutes total for Thybulle.
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In this scenario I would think Lillard at 30 (maintenance) and Sharpe at 30 (big jump from 22 if 35) would be best case for the players and the team. Agreed with the rest, but I still think it would be a waste of Lillard value to keep him on such a team. And by value, I mean trade value to start the rebuild which has to happen either now or in the next 3 years.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah. On the chance that we are able to draft Scoot, I think Ant has to be gone, so we have a 3 guard lineup.

There are 96 minutes between the two starting guard spots.

Dame 35 mpg
Sharpe 35 mpg

That leaves 26 minutes for Scoot.

The problem is Thybulle. We could have Thybulle take some minutes from the three. Give Scoot 20 minutes, maybe shave Dame back to around 34 minutes, so that opens up 7 minutes and then we could give Tysse the backup small forward minutes so 14 minutes at small forward. That's about 21 minutes total for Thybulle.
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I honestly feel like if it's Scoot available at 3 then we make the decision to trade the pick or Dame.
 
blazerkor said:
I honestly feel like if it's Scoot available at 3 then we make the decision to trade the pick or Dame.
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I agree. I would either roll with Scoot or roll with Dame. I don't like straddling the two paths. But..... with that said.... I think there is a scenario where we could make it work. I just don't think it's the best path.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah Dame might like Scoot but people that think Dame will be cool with drafting a 19 year old who is ball dominant and around Dame's height with the best trade piece (pick 3) that we've had since Dame has been here... come on!!! If we choose to draft Scoot then we are choosing Scoot over Dame and should already have a plan in place to capitalize on the back half of that.
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Agreed! They might not trade Dame right away and might wait till trade deadline to do it. However if they draft Scoot that’s a good indication that the Dame era is coming to an end.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Agreed! They might not trade Dame right away and might wait till trade deadline to do it. However if they draft Scoot that’s a good indication that the Dame era is coming to an end.
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I wouldn't do Dame like that. I would have a contingency in place that gets Dame moved before the start of the season. No more straddling the line. Either we go all in and try to win championships with Dame or if you don't think that is a possibility like many in here, then you move Dame.

I think a great situation would be to talk to the Nets now and get them to trade up with their two firsts, pick for us, give us Claxton, we take on the Simmons contract and they throw in two or three future Phoenix firsts. We could probably throw them Nurk as well.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Agreed! They might not trade Dame right away and might wait till trade deadline to do it. However if they draft Scoot that’s a good indication that the Dame era is coming to an end.
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Or the Anfernee Simons era is coming to an end, if it's decided that Scoot and Sharpe are the backcourt of the future. Dame still has three years on his contract.
The Blazers could trade Simons for a forward and be in a better position to win now with Dame.
 
blazerkor said:
I wouldn't do Dame like that. I would have a contingency in place that gets Dame moved before the start of the season. No more straddling the line. Either we go all in and try to win championships with Dame or if you don't think that is a possibility like many in here, then you move Dame.

I think a great situation would be to talk to the Nets now and get them to trade up with their two firsts, pick for us, give us Claxton, we take on the Simmons contract and they throw in two or three future Phoenix firsts. We could probably throw them Nurk as well.
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You can't do it. Dame can't be traded until mid July.
 
HailBlazers said:
Highly disagree, if Dame is sold on Scoot being BPA and impact ready I have no doubts he'll embrace the kid.
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I just posted this again in another thread, but what part of this statement from Dame leaves you with no doubt that he would be happy with another 19 year old rookie...... who plays the same position as him.

"I don't have much of an appetite for building and guys 2-3 years away from really going after it. I think we get Shaedon at 19 and he's just different. I think just being around him, his disposition, how he listens, his frame, his natural talent and his ability... that's enough 19 year olds. And you probably won't find one that will come along the way he has. I'm just not interested in that. This is not a secret. I want a chance to go for it. If the route is to do that, well that's not my route. I think we're all in line with doing what we gotta do to put a team together that we can actually go out there and get something done."
 
Natebishop3 said:
You can't do it. Dame can't be traded until mid July.
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You can agree to whatever you want. So they just don't sign the guy they draft for us and it's a few days into free agency when the trade actually goes through. I don't think that's illegal or tampering.
 
blazerkor said:
You can agree to whatever you want. So they just don't sign the guy they draft for us and it's a few days into free agency when the trade actually goes through. I don't think that's illegal or tampering.
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Honestly, I think if Scoot drops and we tell Dame we're going to go another direction, he's going to go to one of maybe 4-6 places. I think Joe will bend over backward to put Dame in a good situation.

Philly
Boston
Milwaukee
LA (either the Lakers or Clippers)
Miami (maybe... depends on what happens in the Finals)
Denver (maybe... depends on what happens in the Finals)

I don't think the Knicks have the firepower. I'm still intrigued by a three team trade with Boston and maybe Houston or OKC.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I just posted this again in another thread, but what part of this statement from Dame leaves you with no doubt that he would be happy with another 19 year old rookie...... who plays the same position as him.

"I don't have much of an appetite for building and guys 2-3 years away from really going after it.
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Scoot isn't 2-3 years away and Dame knows that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He is 2-3 years away from being able to have an impact like Jaylen Brown, Pascal Siakam, or Mikal Bridges..... and Dame knows that.
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I don't agree with that statement. He'll have an immediate impact. The bigger concern would be fit and that limiting how good Scoot can be behind Dame.

I have confidence that Dame sees what everyone else does should we draft Scoot. He did with Shaedon.
 
AmirIcon said:
I don't agree with that statement. He'll have an immediate impact. The bigger concern would be fit and that limiting how good Scoot can be behind Dame.

I have confidence that Dame sees what everyone else does should we draft Scoot. He did with Shaedon.
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Okay, we will play this game out.

Who would have a bigger impact next season:

1) a rookie point guard who is playing maybe 15-20 minutes per game

2) a starting SF or PF who is playing 35 minutes per game and is averaging 22-25 ppg?

Don't get me wrong, I love the potential of Scoot, but there's simply no way that Dame is going to get excited about mentoring the future point guard of the Portland Trail Blazers over bringing in someone like Jaylen Brown who could start immediately, average 25 ppg, and help us try to contend. When Dame says 2-3 years away, he means that the kid is most likely 2-3 years away from realizing his potential. I think we can still say that about even Sharpe. Jaylen Brown, for all intents and purposes, is a finished product. He might improve slightly over the next few years, but he's a fully baked cake. He's ready to eat. Someone like Scoot is a freshly cracked egg in a mixing bowl.
 
Boston does not want to trade Brown, and he wants the pay day they are going to give him. Brooklyn does not want to trade Bridges. The Chicago players make me ill. Neither are worth the 3. Draft BPA at 3.
 
I'll say again: it's pretty clear that Cronin is keeping Dame fully informed on the trade options for the 3rd pick. If team's are asking for a ransom, like Toronto was for OG, Dame will easily recognize that situation.

he didn't show up at Scoot's workout because he's 100% opposed to using the pick on Scoot. I think he's allowing for the possibility it's the best option available.
That quote you guys are dredging up is as meaningful as the several quotes and tweets he put out in 2021 after losing to Denver. Do yo guys even remember what he said back then?

now, maybe Dame will digest the draft and first part of the off-season and eventually decide to ask out. But I think it's goofy as hell to believe the difference for Dame boils down to: if Portland drafts Scoot, Dame is gone; if Portland drafts Miller Dame stays. That's just nuts because Dame isn't that simple-minded
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Okay, we will play this game out.

Who would have a bigger impact next season:

1) a rookie point guard who is playing maybe 15-20 minutes per game

2) a starting SF or PF who is playing 35 minutes per game and is averaging 22-25 ppg?

Don't get me wrong, I love the potential of Scoot, but there's simply no way that Dame is going to get excited about mentoring the future point guard of the Portland Trail Blazers over bringing in someone like Jaylen Brown who could start immediately, average 25 ppg, and help us try to contend. When Dame says 2-3 years away, he means that the kid is most likely 2-3 years away from realizing his potential. I think we can still say that about even Sharpe. Jaylen Brown, for all intents and purposes, is a finished product. He might improve slightly over the next few years, but he's a fully baked cake. He's ready to eat. Someone like Scoot is a freshly cracked egg in a mixing bowl.
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I think you can make moves to get better now without having to sacrifice the #3. You still have Ant and future picks that can get you better. I agree that the fit with Scoot is off, but if he's there you have no choice but to take him. We're not sure the Blazers are going to get commensurate value for him so why not wait, play him, let him inflate his value the way we did Sharpe, and then trade him for a star when the time is right?
 
wizenheimer said:
I'll say again: it's pretty clear that Cronin is keeping Dame fully informed on the trade options for the 3rd pick. If team's are asking for a ransom, like Toronto was for OG, Dame will easily recognize that situation.

he didn't show up at Scott's workout because he's 100% opposed to using the pick on Scoot. I think he's allowing for the possibility it's the best option available.
That quote you guys are dredging up is as meaningful as the several quotes and tweets he put out in 2021 after losing to Denver. Do yo guys even remember what he said back then?

now, maybe Dame will digest the draft and first part of the off-season and eventually decide to ask out. But I think it's goofy as hell to believe the difference for Dame boils down to: if Portland drafts Scoot, Dame is gone; if Portland drafts Miller Dame stays. That's just nuts because Dame isn't that simple-minded
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He specifically said that this is different than 2021.

You guys are frustrating. Our speculation is just crazy, and Dames own quotes don’t mean anything anymore because they were before the draft, but your speculation that’s not based on literally anything factual should be taken at face value.
 
If Scoot comes off the bench for Dame & Ant, would we expect more of the same very limited playing time like Shaedon last year?
 
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