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blazerfan11 said:
No real Trail Blazer fan is enjoying posting in the asinine "Scoot a bust" thread so I created this one for appreciation, commentary and constructive criticism of Scoot Henderson.

If you are a troll/hater keep your posts in that thread please. It was created with you in mind!

In the 6 games in which Scoot played in November and December, he shot 8 of 23 on his 3-point attempts.

That's 34.8% on 3.8 attempts per game.

This is a trend in the right direction. Of course, this is a small sample size.

Looking at the rookie seasons of Paolo Banchero and Jabari Smith Jr, who both finished at around 30% on their 3-point averages, they were wildly inconsistent.
Smith Jr. shot 17% on 3-pointers in January, then 35% on threes in March.
Banchero shot 3% (yes 3%) on threes in February, then 37% on threes in March.

I expect a similar roller coaster for Scoot with his 3-point shooting.
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blazerfan11 said:
You obviously haven't read the posts in this thread and don't know why it was created.

Yes, I believe if you are happily posting in a thread called "Scoot a bust" you aren't a fan.
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some people are just jerks bro.
It says in your first paragraph of the first post that this is for constructive criticism.
How someone translates that to “only post positive things” really needs more reading comprehension skills.
Simply ridiculous…basically just trolling, as usual. Just ignore it. Great thread.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I am sure the finishing at the rim will get better. It can't be worse than it is now.

It certainly has looked a lot better in the past. He's shown the ability to make some very high-level body and shooting adjustments to evade defenders. I expect we'll be seeing some of that in the next month or two.

I'm not worried Scoot isn't displaying his full arsenal right now.
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It does appear his discomfort is affecting how he's moving. His ball-handling is normally better than what he's showing, for instance. He's into his head a bit, which is normal for a lot of rookies. I believe we see him settle in and improve across the board within the next 40 games.
 
Bingo Bango said:
Is he? He barely scores, rebounds or assists. Are you talking exclusively of his defense?
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He does a little of everything, much of it doesn't show up in the box score.

In this sequence in the video (queued up to 0:17) , Thybulle corals the lose ball, goes upcourt, dribbles behind his back to get by a defender, sees Scoot in the right corner and continues dribbling down the middle of the lane before throwing a pass over to Scoot for a open 3-pointer which Scoot converts.

 
Not trying to be overly positive, or negative. Just a few observable stats -

Scoot Henderson G-League Regular Season stats:
- PER: 13.5
- Pts36: 19.4
- Ast36: 7.6 (1.85 a/t)
- Reb36: 6.3
- 3-point FG: 27.5%
- 2-point FG: 46.5%
- ORat: 98
- DRat: 122

Scoot Henderson NBA 2023 stats (10 games):
- PER: 2.7
- Pts36: 12.2
- Ast36: 6.0 (1.22 a/t)
- Reb36: 3.9
- 3-point FG: 22.0%
- 2-point FG: 42.6%
- ORat: 81
- DRat: 117

I keep telling myself that he's only 19 years old. Be patient. He's a Blazer. I'm rooting for him.

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42N8Bounce said:
Not trying to be overly positive, or negative. Just a few observable stats -

Scoot Henderson G-League Regular Season stats:
- PER: 13.5
- Pts36: 19.4
- Ast36: 7.6 (1.85 a/t)
- Reb36: 6.3
- 3-point FG: 27.5%
- 2-point FG: 46.5%
- ORat: 98
- DRat: 122

Scoot Henderson NBA 2023 stats (10 games):
- PER: 2.7
- Pts36: 12.2
- Ast36: 6.0 (1.22 a/t)
- Reb36: 3.9
- 3-point FG: 22.0%
- 2-point FG: 42.6%
- ORat: 81
- DRat: 117

I keep telling myself that he's only 19 years old. Be patient. He's a Blazer. I'm rooting for him.

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Oh hey his defense has improved!
 
Bingo Bango said:
Is he? He barely scores, rebounds or assists. Are you talking exclusively of his defense?
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I’m talking his energy, defense, and his fit next to Scoot (now that he is a respectable 3pt shooter).

Had you asked me if I thought Thybulle would be a fit next to Scoot, I would say no for two reasons, 1) I don’t think Thybulle will continue to be a 38-39% shooter like last year and 2) Scoot and Thybulle starting will not be good enough against opposing starting lineups defensively (that was actually a thing before the season, Thybulle starting with Scoot and Ant ahead of Shae). Now, everything has changed imo. Scoot has shown he isn’t good enough to justify starting over a player that he is clearly not better than right now. But conveniently, Thybulle’s progress with his shooting makes him fit. Thybulle’s defensive gambles and aggressiveness also works better against the bench whose a step down in quality of offensive talent than an opposing starting lineup. He’s turned himself into a player you can actually keep around for the rest of his contract because he’s close to a 40% shooter and looks so much more confident doing so. He might be around the same percentage on close to twice the volume in a couple seasons, who knows.
 
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42N8Bounce said:
Not trying to be overly positive, or negative. Just a few observable stats -

Scoot Henderson G-League Regular Season stats:
- PER: 13.5
- Pts36: 19.4
- Ast36: 7.6 (1.85 a/t)
- Reb36: 6.3
- 3-point FG: 27.5%
- 2-point FG: 46.5%
- ORat: 98
- DRat: 122

Scoot Henderson NBA 2023 stats (10 games):
- PER: 2.7
- Pts36: 12.2
- Ast36: 6.0 (1.22 a/t)
- Reb36: 3.9
- 3-point FG: 22.0%
- 2-point FG: 42.6%
- ORat: 81
- DRat: 117

I keep telling myself that he's only 19 years old. Be patient. He's a Blazer. I'm rooting for him.

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It would be nice to have some numbers that are moving averages, or different starting points.

As I mentioned earlier, Scoot has shot 34.8 percent on his 3-pointers in the last 6 games after coming back from his injury.

That's when he started wearing contact lenses and goggles.
 
Bingo Bango said:
Is he? He barely scores, rebounds or assists. Are you talking exclusively of his defense?
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Also. Contextualize everything please.

We traded a 2nd rounder for him (don’t even remember if it was a good or bad 2nd), he’s turned into a plus 3pt shooter, has had a noticeable impact on our defense improving, and will only be paid like $11m a year for the next two seasons after this one. How much greater could you have expected from a 2nd round pick big homie?

I can assure you that if this Thybulle was playing in Philly, he wouldn’t have been traded. He’s well worth a 2nd rounder, it was clearly an undersell because they gave up on him. This percentage on 6-8 3pa a game, he’s worth a 1st rounder given his salary.
 
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The one absolute positive is that physically, Scoot is already built like a brick wall. The only running back I care about (Isiah Pacheco) is 5’11, 216lb, and is turning 25. Scoot is taller and the same weight, but dude is five years younger than Pacheco. That’s insane.

Scoot is going to figure out the foul calling eventually. I love seeing him fight in the post against guys so much bigger, even if he gets called for a foul. The next step is to do so without fouling so we can see how good he is at actually defending the post against bigger players and having success. Taking that challenge early as a rookie bodes well for his development on the defensive end. If he can have success in the post against bigger players, he’ll have no problem guarding the perimeter against much weaker guards because he isn’t slow footed.

And obviously, when he figures out the game, the physical gifts are going to eventually pop off the screen. When he is a better driver, guys are going to have a hard time pushing him off his spot.
 
MarinerDNA said:
Scoot's lack of finishing on drives is what I'm most surprised with. I knew the percentage wasn't high in the G-League, but there were a lot of highlights of him dunking, reverse lay-ins, etc. He doesn't use his left hand or drive left at all. I remember Dame not being great as a rookie in this department (haven't looked at that stat, going by eyeball test memory), so there's hope Scoot will improve.

I don't see a superstar or "generational talent" but I don't see a bust, either. His playmaking is very good. The defense looks a lot better than advertised. He plays with a lot of energy and enthusiasm that seems to rub off on teammates. Positive vibes. If he can keep improving the 3P% I'll be happy.
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I think that even if you don’t think he has generational talent, every Blazers fan should still have high hopes in him becoming a superstar.

The qualities that made him a “superstar prospect” have not changed. His physical gifts are still God-given. He is struggling with shot, but we all knew that would be the case. The turnovers are there, but the number of great assists that I remember from this season so far still point to the fact that he’s a true PG. He’s fouling a lot, but players learn to adjust to the foul-calling eventually. The fact that he is willing to defend is already a good sign that he can become a good two way player eventually given the physical gifts.

This isn’t a situation like Fultz where he came in as a 40% shooter from 3 and dominated the ncaa in all categories (even averaging like 1.5 blocks and 1.5 steals or something like that). Fultz’s confidence was shot without the shot falling, and he was already never seen as a true PG, just a good combo guard. Using a top pick on a combo guard that suddenly can’t shoot or score or run the offense or anything else, that would be a problem. I haven’t seen the same concerns with Scoot.
 
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To me Scoot's "superstar" talent is all in his size/strength/speed/court vision blend. I have seen all of these things. His combination of size and speed is what is really going to make him different. He is having a tough time harnessing his speed, as all defenses are sagging off of him until they at least respect his jump shot. I have full faith the dude puts it all together. As an added bonus, his defense is 100 times better as a rookie than I thought it would be.

We are going to need patience, but the payoff will be worth it in my opinion, even if he looks a bit rough to start out. He has some talents that cannot be taught though. Now to work on the parts that can be taught.
 
theprunetang said:
As an added bonus, his defense is 100 times better as a rookie than I thought it would be.
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Me too. Fouls aside, he’s looked good on that side of the floor to me. Even on fouls, it isn’t like he’s getting all fouls against opposing guards, he is getting a lot scrapping with guys that play PF at times. The fouls suck sometimes cause he doesn’t get to play his usual minutes, but the fact that he’s battling in the post at all is a VERY encouraging sign.

If Scoot can guard SGs and SFs on switches (no one expects him to stop a PG/Kawhi), this team is going to be a major major problem. If your PG who should be your worst defender on the court can guard the Foxes, Lavines, maybe even Browns of the world, we might develop into one the top 3-5 defenses in the NBA for a long stretch of years (that’s not considering who our starting SF and PF could be in a few years.
 
theprunetang said:
To me Scoot's "superstar" talent is all in his size/strength/speed/court vision blend. I have seen all of these things. His combination of size and speed is what is really going to make him different. He is having a tough time harnessing his speed, as all defenses are sagging off of him until they at least respect his jump shot. I have full faith the dude puts it all together. As an added bonus, his defense is 100 times better as a rookie than I thought it would be.

We are going to need patience, but the payoff will be worth it in my opinion, even if he looks a bit rough to start out. He has some talents that cannot be taught though. Now to work on the parts that can be taught.
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Shaedon is going to be the star. Scoot is going to be the leader/engine.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Yes the shots at the basket look worse than any of his other shots.

I was surprised at first at that, but it's in line with all of his other struggles.

I saw some very nice finishes at the hoop in summer league, including a reverse layup coming from behind the backboard where he was fouled/contacted by Amen Thompson and Tari Eason at the moment he was about to let go of the ball.
I think it's just a matter of time before his finishing is at least average.
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He needs to learn how to finish through contact. He's strong enough that it shouldn't be a big problem.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
He needs to learn how to finish through contact. He's strong enough that it shouldn't be a big problem.
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I remember Eric Bledsoe being a thorn in our side for a couple years in Phoenix. This guy would get between 20-30ppg and around 4-8rpg/apg routinely against us. I don’t think he ever scored below 20 against us if I’m being honest.

Scoot is about 3 inches taller and looks just as built as Bledsoe when he came in, AND he is an infinitely better PG prospect (meaning distributing the ball) than Bledsoe ever was.
 
blazerfan11 said:
It would be nice to have some numbers that are moving averages, or different starting points.

As I mentioned earlier, Scoot has shot 34.8 percent on his 3-pointers in the last 6 games after coming back from his injury.

That's when he started wearing contact lenses and goggles.
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yeah honestly I want to start his stat tracking from that point on; proper eyewear is too important to ignore
 
More thoughts on his foul troubles—

Let’s remember that Shae also had major issues with foul trouble in the beginning. It wasn’t as noticeable because he was playing among a bunch of vets, and getting quick fouls means getting yanked, for longer than he should’ve. Once he got more playing time, the fouls came, he had plenty of 4-5 foul games and a disqualification.

Scoot’s fouls are more noticeable in a year where we don’t have expectations and the fans just want the young guys to develop. That’s fine. For the people who love Brogdon, this is the reason to have him here for now. Brogdon is the PG to properly run everything that Coach wants to run to help everyone else develop, and Scoot can just figures out his feel for the NBA game to catch up to the team before Brogdon is shipped.
 
julius said:
You know, I don't think that XXL is about his waste.
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