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julius said:
What do you consider a 'small market' team?

TV market size or ownership value?

Because 0f the last 10 years winners, Denver, Golden State, Bucks, Vomit Stains, Raptors, Warriors, Warriors, Cavs, Warriors and Spurs.

I think you could only argue that the Bucks and Spurs were a "small market" team (based on tv market size).

Bucks being 38, and Spurs 31 (conversely, Portland is 22).

Cleveland is 19, Denver is 16, G-state is 10 and Vomit Stain is #2 (not sure where Toronto ranks tbh).

And if you were to go by the last 10 Champions (as in no repeats)


Denver 16
Golden State 10
Bucks 38
Vomit Stains 2
Raptors N/A
Cavs 19
Spurs 31
Miami 18
Dallas 5
Boston 9

With their market size being listed next to their names.

All but 2 of them are better markets than Portland.
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These market sizes, wherever you got them are fucked up. The fact is that Golden State has the entire Bay Area which these numbers probably only count SF or Oakland depending on when they’re from. There’s no fucking was GS has a smaller market than Denver. Denver is probably a smaller market than us. The Cavs aren’t a big market team. The Raptors that whatever source you are looking at has no listing for are a small market. The Spurs and Bucks are obviously small market teams. So here we are again at 5 out of the last 10 championships being won in small markets.
 
inconceivable said:
where is the play he hurt his shoulder? I watched the first 3 quarters and I didn't see anything
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I think it’s the play he got fouled on and hit the pads under the hoop. Obviously he was in for a few plays after that but that was the most significant upper body change contact I found leading up to him leaving the game.
 
STOMP said:
The top local Bay Area sports talk here is so sad about native son Dame. Let down. Comparing him to a garden variety James Harden me-first modern day player.

People and organizations looking out for their own interests first is expected behavior. Dame aging and Portland not close to contending, obviously there is a conflict of interests that many have noted. I don't blame Dame at all for wanting a chance to compete. I think his side has handled this entire expected transition horribly.

STOMP
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Yep, I'm not sad about Dame asking for a trade. I'm appalled by "his camp's" behavior in terms of not just media leaks, but supposed calls to GMs. It's surreal.
 
blazerkor said:
Dude, this whole conversation is whack. 5 of the last 10 champs were “Small market” teams. There have been two dynasties in the last 25 years, the Warriors (big market) and the Spurs (small fucking market).
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I'm mostly talking about the way the media, and fans from those teams in general treat the small market teams. It's really reached a new level of low and the Dame thing has just really bummed me out. I'm actually super excited about Sharpe especially, but also Scoot next season. I just want a decent haul for Dame and for his people to quit being such Pyrrhic victory mentality assholes.
 
I saw Scoot come back into the arena and sit with his family during the Spurs game. He stopped and gave bro hugs to a couple of friends along the way. It didn't look like he was experiencing any discomfort in any way.

The guy who was sitting next to me (also a Blazer fan) said he ran into Mike Schmidtz on the concourse. Apparently Mike said that Scoot was fine
 
Idog1976 said:
Yep, I'm not sad about Dame asking for a trade. I'm appalled by "his camp's" behavior in terms of not just media leaks, but supposed calls to GMs. It's surreal.
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Soured me. Goes to show that Dame isn’t owed anything; with the millions made he needs to quiet down already. I hear people say “he earned his money” but does anyone “deserve” $700,000. per gane? Seriously!
 
blazerkor said:
These market sizes, wherever you got them are fucked up. The fact is that Golden State has the entire Bay Area which these numbers probably only count SF or Oakland depending on when they’re from. There’s no fucking was GS has a smaller market than Denver. Denver is probably a smaller market than us. The Cavs aren’t a big market team. The Raptors that whatever source you are looking at has no listing for are a small market. The Spurs and Bucks are obviously small market teams. So here we are again at 5 out of the last 10 championships being won in small markets.
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I was going off of TV market size. My guess is Denver is larger because there's nothing else out there for a LONG time.

Toronto is almost 3 million itself, let alone their metro population of over 6 million. They are anything but a "small market", it's considered one of the most international cities in the world.

Denver has MLB, NHL, NFL and NBA (and MLS)...I wouldn't consider that "small market" either.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I don't know what the discussion is, but the Vomit Stains were the only team to win a championship (in the bubble) without a multi-time All Star already drafted by the "big market" team already on the roster. It's obvious that being a big/huge market isn't that much of an advantage or New York and Chicago would always have better teams than Portland.
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Regardless of market size, teams have to be well managed to become contenders. Big markets do have an advantage with more endorsement dollars for top stars, which the Purple and Piss has capitalized on the most. For the Trailblazers, not only are they a smaller market, but just the way the country filled up right to left, no one who isn't in the market has a rooting interest in them. Conversely, smaller market East Coast teams have fans all over the country. Ratings wise, a small market West Coast team brings less fans nationally then a small market from the East or Midwest. I recall many instances where national media types were openly rooting against a good PTB team because of the poor ratings they generate. For the Blazers to draw eyeballs nationally, they'll have to be not only good but compelling.

During the Stern era, something was clearly off in the way the officiating doled out calls in the playoffs. A quality small market team would always get hosed in the playoffs when up against a ratings giant. Fans expected it and it was often blatant. Thankfully the officiating seems much more evenhanded under Silver.

STOMP
 
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I seen enough of scoot and knowing he will be fine leading the Blazers at point guard next. Really impress how he played at his own pace the hold time in there. The game didn't seem to fast for him and actually like his defense yesterday he come along ways when I last saw him play.
 
Did anyone see a point in the game where he could have had the impact? I didn't see much other than the slight impact with Jabari Smith as he came down on the last play before he went to free throws and then they subbed #57 in. Maybe something just built up from prior and they are choosing to address it now after he had a decent showing. Like they are just going to do some preseason surgery or something? Seems odd. But, yeah we saw what happened to Shaedon last year. Fingers crossed we get good news today!
 
STOMP said:
Regardless of market size, teams have to be well managed to become contenders. Big markets do have an advantage with more endorsement dollars for top stars, which the Purple and Piss has capitalized on the most. For the Trailblazers, not only are they a smaller market, but just the way the country filled up right to left, no one who isn't in the market has a rooting interest in them. Conversely, smaller market East Coast teams have fans all over the country. Ratings wise, a small market West Coast team brings less fans nationally then a small market from the East or Midwest. I recall many instances where national media types were openly rooting against a good PTB team because of the poor ratings they generate. For the Blazers to draw eyeballs nationally, they'll have to be not only good but compelling.

During the Stern era, something was clearly off in the way the officiating doled out calls in the playoffs. A quality small market team would always get hosed in the playoffs when up against a ratings giant. Fans expected it and it was often blatant. Thankfully the officiating seems much more evenhanded under Silver.

STOMP
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Off-topic re: the Stern Era, Bill Simmons on his podcast last week laid out the story of when they were about to start his NBA studio show, and Stan Van Gundy was going to be a commentator. David Stern (who somehow hated the Van Gundys) went to ESPN and basically said "I'm not letting two Van Gundys on TV for my product. Find someone else." So it went to Jalen Rose.

Speaking ill of the dead, the more stories come out about him, the worse a person he seems. And I didn't like him much when we was still the Commish.
 
STOMP said:
During the Stern era, something was clearly off in the way the officiating doled out calls in the playoffs.
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Since we were getting hosed, would that make it the "Sperm" era instead?
 
The absence of news on the injury makes me nervous

Man, i was just talking the other day about how Shaedon's injury was a bummer last year and now this...

If he's ruled out for the rest of the Summer League we won't see him til October, that's 4 months of waiting....

It would be a miracle if he could somehow play tomorrow
 
The lack of news is a tad concerning. Amen has a grade 2 sprain out 2-3 weeks. Let’s release some news
 
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