Politics SEAL, American Girl Die in First Trump-Era U.S. Military Raid

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[julius]

Que distractions...go to camera 3, zoom in....start the music....and action!

 

[Denny Crane]

No way this operation was planned in a week, or by Trump's transition team.

He did give the go ahead, which is regrettable.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No way this operation was planned in a week, or by Trump's transition team.

He did give the go ahead, which is regrettable.

Ben Shapiro is a smart guy but there are othet options. Fuck twitter, it becomes an encyclopedia for some people.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[blue32]

enjoy the next 8 years Rastabot.

 

[riverman]

No way this operation was planned in a week, or by Trump's transition team

This is what Trump does and will continue to do....make rash decisions without consulting experts and taking the time to get it right...it's a pattern ..the guy is operating from pure chaos......morning prayer meeting talking about his Apprentice ratings....he's incompetent and unqualified to lead...what's the surprise?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It would be nice if you would post those pictures since no one here will click to read them.

 

[riverman]

Trump will continue to tell the free world to fuck off and it will come back to bite him

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This is what Trump does and will continue to do....make rash decisions without consulting experts and taking the time to get it right

This is pure speculation. We have no idea from whom he received input, or what input he received, prior to authorizing this mission.

 

[riverman]

His first military op.....crash a helicopter, kill women and children and get a Seal Team member killed, have to blow up your own plane with drones and accomplish nothing......get ready .......stay tuned.....it's ugly right out of the blocks

 

[blue32]

This is pure speculation. We have no idea from whom he received input, or what input he received, prior to authorizing this mission.

OMG a voice of reason? no tell me it aint so.

 

[riverman]

prior to authorizing this mission.

he doesn't read what he signs....just asks his yes men where to sign.....I didn't vote for the guy but his cabinet authorized this raid in Yemen...that's a fact. Whether Trump actually thought it through......probably not.

 

[riverman]

This is pure speculation.

simple search will show you many articles by qualified strategists talking about how he fucked this up.....it's not speculation, it's a current event. even if you support Trump's actions, they were bad actions...#thanksdonald.......

 

[PtldPlatypus]

simple search will show you many articles by qualified strategists talking about how he fucked this up

I'm willing to read anything you'd like to link that provides insight into what he actually considered and who he did/didn't consult prior to authorization.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I hope this mission was called "Mission Making America Great Again" because it would be the perfect metaphor.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

 

[e_blazer]

It sucks that these things become political footballs. There's no way of knowing how much blame there is for this botched raid and where exactly it should fall. Trump's an easy target because he authorized it, but the planning began under Obama's watch. Every president should be aware that any time he authorizes something like this, there's a pretty good chance that something is going to go wrong. Here's a different take:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...enly_outraged_about_our_counterterrorism.html

 

[riverman]

I'm willing to read anything you'd like to link that provides insight into what he actually considered and who he did/didn't consult prior to authorization.

Thanks in advance.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-m...proved-without-sufficient-intelligence-2017-2

 

[riverman]

Trump is president now...the buck stops with him...he ordered the strikes....and his first military operation was a failure from my view....unnecessary deaths and destruction of expensive military equipment.....now folks can go back through to the revolutionary war and highlight military mistakes all day but in the here and now.....this is on Trump

 

[Denny Crane]

Not Trump's plan. Unlike Benghazi, air support was called in by those on the ground and they weren't left to fend for themeselves.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/after-obama-waited-trump-quickly-approved-botched-navy-seal-mission/

The botched military operation in Yemen that killed a US Navy SEAL and over a dozen al Qaeda terrorists and civilians had been in the works for months before President Trump approved it shortly after taking office, according to a published report.

In the waning months of his presidency, Barack Obama was hashing out with the Pentagon the Yemen attack plan that was aimed at gathering intelligence on al Qaeda for future strikes against the jihadist group to wipe them out, CNN said.

Obama administration officials cited “operational reasons” for pushing back the date of the raid for sometime after Jan. 20, leaving it in the hands of the newly minted president to determine its course, CNN reported.

One aspect of the plan that gave Obama pause was the need for a moonless night so the SEALs would be camouflaged by the cover of night, as they were during Saturday’s raid on the al Qaeda headquarters in the town of Al Bayda, the network said.

Trump greenlighted the operation almost immediately after taking the oath of office.

US military officials on Wednesday announced they were investigating the raid that claimed the life of Chief Special Warfare Operator William “Ryan” Owens and “likely” killed civilians.

About 30 people, including 10 women and children, also were killed, according to media reports.

The SEALs and a United Arab Emirates special forces team were spotted by the terrorists as they approached the compound, sparking the firefight on the ground, CNN said.

After the SEALs called for aerial support, military aircraft flew in and opened fire, likely causing the civilian casualties, CNN said.

 

[riverman]

had been in the works for months

something can be in the works for months and be fucked up in it's execution...no free pass this time Donald....you can plan to build a bridge but forget to let the cement dry and go ahead and drive on it and watch it collapse....that's on the foreman, not the architect

 

[Denny Crane]

something can be in the works for months and be fucked up in it's execution...no free pass this time Donald....you can plan to build a bridge but forget to let the cement dry and go ahead and drive on it and watch it collapse....that's on the foreman, not the architect

No free pass. The president ordered the go ahead.

To claim it wasn't vetted or reviewed by at least 2 generals plus all the people that planned it is just silly.

Unlike Benghazi, when those on the ground called for help, they got it.

Worse than Benghazi?

 

[riverman]

To claim it wasn't vetted or reviewed by at least 2 generals plus all the people that planned it is just silly.

tell that to the writer of the article I linked...it's all available....current events...real news...you know

 

[riverman]

Worse than Benghazi

welcome to 2017

 

[PtldPlatypus]

tell that to the writer of the article I linked...it's all available....current events...real news...you know

There's one line from unnamed sources saying he didn't have sufficient intelligence.

US military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced Al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger-than-expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

No indication what intelligence he had, who had reviewed it prior, who he consulted after receiving whatever intelligence he had, how highly-placed or credible those unnamed sources were, what the basis for their statement was, whether intelligence on this mission had changed materially between the time when the previous administration authorized it and now...Just one line making a vague unsubstantiated claim.

No doubt, the loss of life is still on the CiC, but the report you linked certainly doesn't provide enough information to support your narrative. The one thing it does suggest to me is that he (unsurprisingly) doesn't have the requisite experience to be able to ask the right questions necessary to be able to properly vet a military operation before authorizing it. Mattis, however, was also there (per the tweet @Rastapopoulos provided), so I'd hope he at least leaned on the general's knowledge and experience.

 

[riverman]

There's one line from unnamed sources saying he didn't have sufficient intelligence. No indication what intelligence he had, who had reviewed it prior, who he consulted after receiving whatever intelligence he had, how highly-placed or credible those unnamed sources were, whether intelligence on this mission had changed materially between the time when the previous administration authorized it and now...Just one line making a vague unsubstantiated claim.

No doubt, the loss of life is still on the CiC, but the report you linked certainly doesn't provide enough information to support your narrative.

I'm under the belief that Intelligence on military ops is not publicly available to prove or disprove any cause and effect of an action this close to the event..this is not new..however I have read multiple analysis that confirm the view of that article....there are opposing articles for damage control...also does not surprise me...I also doubt Trump's ability to think things through and follow protocol when it comes to foreign affairs...

 

[Nate]

What an insult to those good men that lost their lives. SlyPokerDog is fucking pathetic.

 

[riverman]

SlyPokerDog is fucking pathetic.

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[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

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Nate claims to have been a marine (which explains a lot). If indeed he was, I suspect he was a REMF who watched from the cheap seats......