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So take a deep breath, because I’m about to tell many of you something you do not want to hear: Blaming Trump for what happened is both inappropriate and counterproductive. There are some good reasons to disapprove of this president: He is a man of demonstrated low character whose first few weeks in office have weakened both the international alliances and American values that have preserved our preeminent place in the world for over a century. Keep your powder dry for those things—but not this.

This raid, according to The New York Times, was approved by and recommended to the president by his secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. For the recommendation to have gone forward to the president, the senior leadership of the Department of Defense would have signed off on this operation. And for that to have happened, special operations and regional U.S. commanders would have had to have blessed the planning that went into the operation itself.

The left cannot on the one hand claim Donald Trump is ignorant of military and security affairs, and then on the other hand expect him to second-guess the professional recommendations of his uniformed and civilian military leadership.
 
I am inclined to disagree. My experience as a senior Department of Defense official in the last two years of the Obama administration leads me to the conclusion that the way we did things—with the military required to provide a “CONOPS,” or concept of operations, to be picked over by deputy cabinet secretaries and usually the secretaries themselves prior to being forwarded to the president for approval—was slow and ponderous in a way that created real opportunity costs and denied subordinate commanders the flexibility to exploit opportunities they saw on the battlefield. Yes, it eliminated a lot of physical and political risk, but in doing so it negated one of the primary advantages the U.S. military enjoys, which is a highly trained and capable officer corps in the field that can exercise independent judgment.

At one point toward the end of the Obama administration, cabinet secretaries—cabinet secretaries!—were literally debating whether or not it made sense to move three helicopters within Iraq and Syria. That decision should have been left to the very capable, very experienced commander on the ground, U.S. Army Lieutenant General Steve Townsend.​
 
I am sort of hoping Nate is experiencing a momentary bout of insanity. If not, then he is extremely ill informed.
Perhaps some levity went whistling by me?
It's pretty simple. He tried talking shit about my military service. So I returned the favor.

You sailors seem to get really butt hurt.

Pun intended.
 
Oh, I see. The REMF comment.
Well, that doesn't seem like a good reason to knock Sailors.
Unless of course...
 
I am inclined to disagree. My experience as a senior Department of Defense official in the last two years of the Obama administration leads me to the conclusion that the way we did things—with the military required to provide a “CONOPS,” or concept of operations, to be picked over by deputy cabinet secretaries and usually the secretaries themselves prior to being forwarded to the president for approval—was slow and ponderous in a way that created real opportunity costs and denied subordinate commanders the flexibility to exploit opportunities they saw on the battlefield. Yes, it eliminated a lot of physical and political risk, but in doing so it negated one of the primary advantages the U.S. military enjoys, which is a highly trained and capable officer corps in the field that can exercise independent judgment.

At one point toward the end of the Obama administration, cabinet secretaries—cabinet secretaries!—were literally debating whether or not it made sense to move three helicopters within Iraq and Syria. That decision should have been left to the very capable, very experienced commander on the ground, U.S. Army Lieutenant General Steve Townsend.​
All of this sounds quite sensible. Of course, it's also totally consistent with pointing out the MASSIVE hypocrisy of (for one example) the people who demonized Hillary Clinton for Benghazi who do not demonize Trump for this.
 
Cute.
Well, you have made yourself distinct from the Marines I served with. Carry on.
Really? Cause I don't know a single Marine that wouldn't destroy some navy bitch for trying to talk shit about his deployments.

I didn't even care about what he said, until I found out he was in the navy.

But like I said, he probably saw some real intense combat off the coast of California.

Dicks everywhere. I'm sure he has ptsd.
 
Nate sounds like he learned how to interact with the Navy watching some B grade movie.
The only people in the navy I ever had to interact with, were my corpsmen, and the doctors that did my surgeries.

Most of them seem like fat bitches.

Some of them, I assume are good people.
 
The only people in the navy I ever had to interact with, were my corpsmen, and the doctors that did my surgeries.

Most of them seem like fat bitches.

Some of them, I assume are good people.
I hope you appreciated the corpsman and the Doctors, but I am sorry you needed them.
 
So take a deep breath, because I’m about to tell many of you something you do not want to hear: Blaming Trump for what happened is both inappropriate and counterproductive.
I do agree that we don't have enough information to blame this on Trump, and I am not in a position to know if this risk was worth taking so being that the generals recommended this action, I tend to give a bit of leniency here.

However

I do think it was disgusting and beneath the office of the President to have his first tweets after this operation be attack-tweets towards the NYT. I also (although I don't know if it matters in the long run) do think the President should care enough about the first military members he sends into harms way to be in the situation room with all his advisors around, just in case there are decisions that need to be made. A precaution and a respectful gesture.
 
Nate sounds like he learned how to interact with the Navy watching some B grade movie.

I get embarrassed singin’ bout my love
It's like a steel fist hiding in a velvet glove
I don't want the world to turn it to
A grade B movie

barfo
 
Fake news calling it a failed raid.

Snuffed a future suicide bomber, grand daughter of a mass-murderer, daughter of a mass-murderer, being raised by ISIS to kill masses of innocent people.

Got lots of info on ISIS. Killed a dozen or so other mass-murderers...

I consider it a huge success.
 
So take a deep breath, because I’m about to tell many of you something you do not want to hear: Blaming Trump for what happened is both inappropriate and counterproductive. There are some good reasons to disapprove of this president: He is a man of demonstrated low character whose first few weeks in office have weakened both the international alliances and American values that have preserved our preeminent place in the world for over a century. Keep your powder dry for those things—but not this.

This raid, according to The New York Times, was approved by and recommended to the president by his secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. For the recommendation to have gone forward to the president, the senior leadership of the Department of Defense would have signed off on this operation. And for that to have happened, special operations and regional U.S. commanders would have had to have blessed the planning that went into the operation itself.

The left cannot on the one hand claim Donald Trump is ignorant of military and security affairs, and then on the other hand expect him to second-guess the professional recommendations of his uniformed and civilian military leadership.
Ruh roh, logic.
 
All of this sounds quite sensible. Of course, it's also totally consistent with pointing out the MASSIVE hypocrisy of (for one example) the people who demonized Hillary Clinton for Benghazi who do not demonize Trump for this.

I want him to end the wars ASAP or get the hell out of those places.

It would be hypocritical to shine on Clinton's failures all along the way to the failure in Benghazi and then criticize this more recent event that wasn't lied about and didn't end up in the loss of an ambassador.

What difference does it make, anyway?

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I do agree that we don't have enough information to blame this on Trump, and I am not in a position to know if this risk was worth taking so being that the generals recommended this action, I tend to give a bit of leniency here.

However

I do think it was disgusting and beneath the office of the President to have his first tweets after this operation be attack-tweets towards the NYT. I also (although I don't know if it matters in the long run) do think the President should care enough about the first military members he sends into harms way to be in the situation room with all his advisors around, just in case there are decisions that need to be made. A precaution and a respectful gesture.

Sure. The president must not multitask.

Respectful gesture...

http://time.com/4657513/trump-owens-navy-seal-yemen-raid/

Trump Attends the Return of the Remains of the Navy SEAL Who Died in Yemen

(DOVER AIR FORCE BASE, Del.) — Assuming the somber duties of commander in chief, President Donald Trump made an unannounced trip Wednesday to honor the returning remains of a U.S. Navy SEAL killed in a weekend raid in Yemen.

...


After returning to the White House, Trump commented on the trip at the swearing-in of Rex Tillerson as secretary of state.

"I just returned from an amazing visit with a great, great family at Dover," Trump said. "It is something very sad, very beautiful. Ryan, a great man."


Not a photo op. Refreshing for a change.
 
Not a photo op. Refreshing for a change.
It's a start, but an action quite late.

It's the type of thing that had Obama been tweeting something off topic and not in the meeting at time of the action, I am certain that Blue, MarAzul and most other Trump supporters would have attacked Obama relentlessly.
 
It's a start, but an action quite late.

It's the type of thing that had Obama been tweeting something off topic and not in the meeting at time of the action, I am certain that Blue, MarAzul and most other Trump supporters would have attacked Obama relentlessly.
I made one post I think about how we haven't heard anything from him about it. Then minutes after it was reported I said Good on Trump.
 
I hope you appreciated the corpsman and the Doctors, but I am sorry you needed them.
Most of my corpsmen were cool. The doctors were a little douchey sometimes. One of them was asking me a million questions in rapid succession while I was laying in a bed (normal doctor questions). And afterwards, he tried lecturing me on rank... because I wasn't ending all my answers with sir...

I looked at one of the other doctors like "Is this guy serious?" I had just woken up from surgery by the way. So he goes "Its ok sir, I think he's just a little loopy from the medication"

Luckily it wasn't life threatening. And I still have all my body parts. I just got 3 pins, then a plate and 6 screws put in my hand.
I want him to end the wars ASAP or get the hell out of those places.

It would be hypocritical to shine on Clinton's failures all along the way to the failure in Benghazi and then criticize this more recent event that wasn't lied about and didn't end up in the loss of an ambassador.

What difference does it make, anyway?

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the video of her saying that is one of the most disgusting things I've seen in my life. I've seen people die. Not that type of disgusting. It's hard to describe. She doesn't give a fuck that they died. It's pure evil.
 
I concur. That and blaming the event on some fucking video. Politician just don't come any worse.
Or the denial of extra security in the weeks leading up to the attacks. Even though the ambassador (a one star general equivalent) was begging them.

Then they tried lying again, and tried saying that they didn't send extra security because it was impossible to do so. A complete lie. There's units all around the world, whose whole purpose is to go and reinforce/secure embassies, and other US interests. They're literally just sitting and waiting to help. They can get there in hours. And they did, after everyone was already dead though.

Killary wanted them to die, and she wanted to blame it on that video, so she could push the narrative that muslims are animals, and justify more military intervention. When really, they were probably just pissed about drone strikes.
 
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