Game Thread SEASON 8, The End!

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blue9 said:
But circling back to your NK comments...

Was that really all the NK wanted with Bran? To kill him? If so, that makes not just the whole battle, but the entire existence of the NK completely stupid. If that's all he wanted he had ample opportunities to do so. Given all the pomp and circumstance surrounding NK and Bran there had better be more to the story than just "he wanted to kill him". And by "more to the story", I don't mean the Children of the Forest NK origin story.
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Well, I was thinking and hoping that there was more to it--that there was some deeper connection between Bran and the Night King. I actually thought there would be some dramatic development between them when the Night King confronted Bran. But if there is anything particular connecting them, it appears it's not going to be explored/explained, which is frustrating. Arya killing him (or Jon killing him) seemed boring. I was hoping for something more interesting, some deep truth that we'd discover that might reframe the whole situation.
 
Minstrel said:
Well, I was thinking and hoping that there was more to it--that there was some deeper connection between Bran and the Night King. I actually thought there would be some dramatic development between them when the Night King confronted Bran. But if there is anything particular connecting them, it appears it's not going to be explored/explained, which is frustrating. Arya killing him (or Jon killing him) seemed boring. I was hoping for something more interesting, some deep truth that we'd discover that might reframe the whole situation.
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I'm still holding out some hope. Not that it'll be good or satisfying, but that there's more to it. Bran didn't simply peace out into a flock of ravens for nothing, did he? I think these writers are shit, but they can't be THAT shit.
 
blue9 said:
Yeah, honestly the books (or lack thereof) are probably partially to blame for my rotten opinion about the show. I read the first 4 books long before HBO came along. The fact GRRM has been sitting on his thumbs, coupled with HBO (a) going off the rails and (b) going way too long without any new shows really made my interest wane.

But circling back to your NK comments...

Was that really all the NK wanted with Bran? To kill him? If so, that makes not just the whole battle, but the entire existence of the NK completely stupid. If that's all he wanted he had ample opportunities to do so. Given all the pomp and circumstance surrounding NK and Bran there had better be more to the story than just "he wanted to kill him". And by "more to the story", I don't mean the Children of the Forest NK origin story.
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Star Wars Spoilers if you haven't seen The Last Jedi:

This episode reminded me of The Last Jedi. They built Snoke/Night King up to be this super villain and then kill him off rather easily without any real explanation as to why/how they are the way they are. I'm not trying to bash Disney because I have kids and they put out a lot of quality things but the last few seasons after they got past the books have become Disneyfied.

Maybe the Night King thought if Bran died all the humans would die like was the case with him and the white walkers? It is very odd that his seemingly sole purpose for attacking Winterfell was to kill Bran in a personal manner.
 
hoopsjock said:
Star Wars Spoilers if you haven't seen The Last Jedi:

This episode reminded me of The Last Jedi. They built Snoke/Night King up to be this super villain and then kill him off rather easily without any real explanation as to why/how they are the way they are. I'm not trying to bash Disney because I have kids and they put out a lot of quality things but the last few seasons after they got past the books have become Disneyfied.

Maybe the Night King thought if Bran died all the humans would die like was the case with him and the white walkers? It is very odd that his seemingly sole purpose for attacking Winterfell was to kill Bran in a personal manner.
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Bran was to erase any records, any chance for hope.
 
Personally i think the Great War should have been the final battle with all the survivors of the kings landing war vs the dead. I hope GRR goes that way in the book.
 
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LayneStaley said:
That ending pissed me off more than any ending of any show all time.
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I loved the ending to "Lost." One of my staff hated it. He was so caught up in wanting to know what the numbers meant. I always saw those things as McGuffins. I was more interested in the characters and how they developed and interacted and did I actually know people like them or did parts of them remind me of me, and I got invested in several of them, just like GoT.

Then I just looked at it as life. We seldom get all the answers. The important thing for me was resolution for the characters, and I thought that was a great way to wrap it up.
 
I blame GRR, he sold the rights to his books to HBO. He could see the time frame as the series was being filmed. The series actually helped sell a hell of a lot more books. He needed to finish the story before HBO reached the end. Now we're going to be stuck with different endings and different character arcs. It's a giant fail on his part.
 
My take on this episode is 1) They must have gotten their battle strategy from Zapp Brannigan. 2) The plan was a setup for the Night King to walk right up to Bran, just so no one would kill him. 3) I am going to miss old blue eyes.
 
theprunetang said:
*Spoilers* They don't take your advice and everyone dies from Cholera.
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On the way to Kings Landing...
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SlyPokerDog said:
I blame GRR, he sold the rights to his books to HBO. He could see the time frame as the series was being filmed. The series actually helped sell a hell of a lot more books. He needed to finish the story before HBO reached the end. Now we're going to be stuck with different endings and different character arcs. It's a giant fail on his part.
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I'm okay with different endings. The show ending would have been different probably anyway, since it's cut out a lot of the plot arcs that exist in the books.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I blame GRR, he sold the rights to his books to HBO. He could see the time frame as the series was being filmed. The series actually helped sell a hell of a lot more books. He needed to finish the story before HBO reached the end. Now we're going to be stuck with different endings and different character arcs. It's a giant fail on his part.
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I'm not convinced he'll ever actually finish it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm not convinced he'll ever actually finish it.
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I read somewhere that his latest excuse for the delay, is he killed off a character that was needed to move the story along, and he's even considering ret-conning the earlier books to fix the issue. I have no idea who that character would be or why it can't be cured by magic. So, I call it an excuse instead of a reason.

There's a lot contributing to why they're not getting written, but first and foremost is he let his imagination go too wild in the last two books, introducing way too much for one man to jigsaw himself. He already uses Ice and Fire historians (super fans) that he uses for things he can't remember about characters and historical events, and it wouldn't surprise me if he brings in someone or someones to help him finish the remaining books. He sounds defeated in his interviews.
 
LayneStaley said:
There’s a good chance he dies first, he’s not exactly in peak performance shape, even for writing.
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And now Thoros, Melisandre, and the Night King aren't around to bring him back to life.
 
Never watched it. Feel like I'm missing out.
 
LayneStaley said:
Read the books, by the time you’re done GRR will hopefully have finished them. The show is really good but the books are really great.
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Correction: The show was really good until they blew up the sept.

But yes, the books are terrific.

I started reading the books after hearing two of my co-workers go on and on about how good they were. So I finally said, fuck it, let's do it. I thought it was a completed series and picked up book 1. I immediately went to book 2, and then onto book 3. It was at some point during book 3 that I found out it was NOT a completed series, and that there were still 3-4 more books in the works. I went into book 4 very disappointed knowing that there wasn't anything to read once I finished it. It was probably 3-4 years later that book 5 came out. I still haven't read it - not gonna read another word until I can pick up book 5 and read all the way to the end of the damned story.
 
blue9 said:
Correction: The show was really good until they blew up the sept.

But yes, the books are terrific.

I started reading the books after hearing two of my co-workers go on and on about how good they were. So I finally said, fuck it, let's do it. I thought it was a completed series and picked up book 1. I immediately went to book 2, and then onto book 3. It was at some point during book 3 that I found out it was NOT a completed series, and that there were still 3-4 more books in the works. I went into book 4 very disappointed knowing that there wasn't anything to read once I finished it. It was probably 3-4 years later that book 5 came out. I still haven't read it - not gonna read another word until I can pick up book 5 and read all the way to the end of the damned story.
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The moment I started to drift was Jamie's whimsical trip into Dorn...

I like the show but man it's been slipping since then with timelines and distance skewed, characters acting out of character, plot lines fizzling out, sloppy writing, and parlor tricks.
 
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