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HolyBackboard said:
this felt like a season-defining loss tonight ... the team talked about how they needed it, Dame returns, no Kevin Love, Cavs on the second night of a back to back after losing by 40, and yet we lose and it wasn't really ever a contest

i've tried looking for silver linings, but it's nearly impossible at the moment. the season feels lost. just get a good draft pick and start over next year.
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Im still holding on to some hope... Its definitely becoming a struggle!
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Im still holding on to some hope... Its definitely becoming a struggle!
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Exactly how I feel. I've never had so many games that I've recorded, and then just deleted instead of watching. Reading the game threads after the fact, make me feel bad for all the guys that actually watched them. Same thing, over and over. IMHO, there is still time. Shit has to change fast though....
 
Hobbesarable said:
@kjironman1 is not going to be happy you are not using the meltdown thread. :biglaugh:
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Huge silver lining here for me.
I start another big training and development process this week and will be extremely busy for the next 3 weeks. Not gonna be trying to fit games in the middle of it. If they were rolling it would be very tough not to watch. The way it stands i am not stressing about catching the last half or checking lineups and trying to come up with a pre game. Blazers can start their epic march back into playoff contention starting December 15th.....
 
KingSpeed said:
I’m calling it.
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Same here. I try not to let one or two losses sway me but you can't loose 4 games in a row to subpar teams and remain competitive. The west is too good and too deep. I'm not going to tune in for every game to see us play like garbage night in and night out, I've got more important things i should be doing plus there is simply no fun in losing. I'm sure I'll check in to see where we stand every once in a while but I'm already looking towards this summer and hopefully a deep draft class.
 
I won't call it until I see what our 3rd roster will look like after the next trade...let the cards fall....if you wind up with a lottery gem, great but that's no reason to stop competing every game. Not getting a championship this season isn't a big deal to me given the Western Conference loading up with Team USA talent. Losing now also means Nas, Ant, Skal and Trent are going to develop with more burn...there's something to gain in a transitional roster season.
 
riverman said:
I won't call it until I see what our 3rd roster will look like after the next trade...let the cards fall....if you wind up with a lottery gem, great but that's no reason to stop competing every game. Not getting a championship this season isn't a big deal to me given the Western Conference loading up with Team USA talent. Losing now also means Skal and Trent are going to develop with more burn...there's something to gain in a transitional roster season.
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The question is, if that trade comes can they tread water until then? Cause the whole they’re digging is going to make the work harder.
 
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This is the Blazers right now making their way through the NBA season.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
The question is, if that trade comes can they tread water until then? Cause the whole they’re digging is going to make the work harder.
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They could squeeze into the playoffs with a good run if we make some changes ...as far as a championship..that I don't think about at all at this point. All of this is really contingent on how healthy the top teams reamain going into the second half of the season...the best teams are also playing 35 year olds or guys who have chronic injuries...AD....I'm hoping we're fresh when they're getting burned out
 
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Without quite a bit a luck or some real shrewdness on Cronin and the scouting department's part, this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Take Dame off this team and it is the least-talented roster in the league by a pretty good margin. I can't think of the last team that had a guy average 30 points per game and lose this much by this much.
 
How bout this? We fire Billups, hire Stotts, trade for Collins, sign Meyers. That would be a massive improvement,
 
Definitely an underachieving group. There’s no reason that this unit, healthy, shouldn’t be playing better than they are.
 
e_blazer said:
Definitely an underachieving group. There’s no reason that this unit, healthy, shouldn’t be playing better than they are.
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So much this. Not that they would be a title contender, but to be below a team like Utah that traded their top 3 players is embarrassing. 10 spots behind the inept since Adelman Kings? Ugh.
 
e_blazer said:
Definitely an underachieving group. There’s no reason that this unit, healthy, shouldn’t be playing better than they are.
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I don't see it. Our roster just isn't good. The things our best players do well (Dame, Ant, Nurk, Grant) don't fit well. We have almost no size of consequence other than Nurk. Other than Thybulle, we have almost no one that's above-average on defense.

Dame is amazing. There's not much else remarkable on this roster and that we're just below mediocre seems like what was expected by national media, oddsmakers, and some fans.
 
Ed O said:
I don't see it. Our roster just isn't good. The things our best players do well (Dame, Ant, Nurk, Grant) don't fit well. We have almost no size of consequence other than Nurk. Other than Thybulle, we have almost no one that's above-average on defense.

Dame is amazing. There's not much else remarkable on this roster and that we're just below mediocre seems like what was expected by national media, oddsmakers, and some fans.
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I didn’t say they should be a contender, I said they should be better. The failure is at all levels. Cronin could have added another big. He probably could have found a deal for Hart that brought back at least one seasoned vet. Continually taking shots on project players has been a failing of Blazers management for years.

On the coaching front, Chauncey has not shown the ability to get the most out of his players. Sure, the roster is a bit of a mess, but not cleaning up turnovers and the defense is at least in part on the coaches. I’d be willing to bet Stotts would have gotten more out of this squad.

On the player level, it’s tough to see an area where players with a uniform number greater than 0 have made significant strides with their production during the season. That shouldn’t happen with young guys.
 
Tince said:
I wish this team was as competitive as the 16-17 team.
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Tanking and having a group of people running the organization that is okay with it kills the culture of winning.
Losing becomes "acceptable". You end up hearing things like "played well for a quarter" and "Made some improvements" or even finding the good in a loss.
People on this board have even embraced it. "Well as long as Dame stays in the running for the scoring title".

Losing is losing. Losers lose. What's worse is this might last for 15-20 years. What makes anyone think that the Portland Trailblazers are any more worthy of winning than the Kings or Magic or Hornets. Even the Clippers were bottom of the league for many years. The Timberwolves were in a playoff drought for 13 years until 2018.
Warriors were out of the playoffs for 12 years that ended in 2007. The Suns were out of the playoffs for 10 years from 2011 to 2021.

This has a very bad feel to it. This team needs to be sold and they need to find a way to bring winning back to the culture.
 
It's sad that they're doing exactly what I think is best for the franchise and it makes me miserable.
 
We may be short on talent but we should not be losing big to Pelicans without Ingram and Zion and to Knicks without Brunson. Guys seems to be trying hard. So it's gotta be coaching.
 
They have finally after long studies gotten rid of Blaze,,,,,obviously the jinx of the team! Douglass Fur should intimidate more refs than Blaze ever did!
 
TBpup said:
So much this. Not that they would be a title contender, but to be below a team like Utah that traded their top 3 players is embarrassing. 10 spots behind the inept since Adelman Kings? Ugh.
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Utah received great players in those trades. They didn’t just lose talent. Markannen started in the All Star game.
Fairly-Hard said:
Tanking and having a group of people running the organization that is okay with it kills the culture of winning.
Losing becomes "acceptable". You end up hearing things like "played well for a quarter" and "Made some improvements" or even finding the good in a loss.
People on this board have even embraced it. "Well as long as Dame stays in the running for the scoring title".

Losing is losing. Losers lose. What's worse is this might last for 15-20 years. What makes anyone think that the Portland Trailblazers are any more worthy of winning than the Kings or Magic or Hornets. Even the Clippers were bottom of the league for many years. The Timberwolves were in a playoff drought for 13 years until 2018.
Warriors were out of the playoffs for 12 years that ended in 2007. The Suns were out of the playoffs for 10 years from 2011 to 2021.

This has a very bad feel to it. This team needs to be sold and they need to find a way to bring winning back to the culture.
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Wembenyama would immediately bring back winning. Magic and Cavs sucked hard before they got Shaq and LeBron. A few seasons later, they each took their team to the Finals.

riverman said:
They have finally after long studies gotten rid of Blaze,,,,,obviously the jinx of the team! Douglass Fur should intimidate more refs than Blaze ever did!
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What were the studies? I didn’t know about this. Explain.
 
KingSpeed said:
Utah received great players in those trades. They didn’t just lose talent. Markannen started in the All Star game.

Wembenyama would immediately bring back winning. Magic and Cavs sucked hard before they got Shaq and LeBron. A few seasons later, they each took their team to the Finals.


What were the studies? I didn’t know about this. Explain.
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You don’t know any of that. Obviously.
 
KingSpeed said:
Utah received great players in those trades. They didn’t just lose talent. Markannen started in the All Star game.

Wembenyama would immediately bring back winning. Magic and Cavs sucked hard before they got Shaq and LeBron. A few seasons later, they each took their team to the Finals.


What were the studies? I didn’t know about this. Explain.
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It was a joke KS...nothing more....I was joking that Blaze has been the jinx and the Big foot might bring on a new era..or something like that.
 
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