Politics Securing The Border With A Wall, Duh

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CupWizier said:
but did tax payers pay for them? Did they cost around 20 billion? Big difference and why single out one party as I am sure there are many movie stars, politicians etc, from the republican party that have fences around their property?
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I wasn't really trying to single out one party and as Ive said before many times Im not for a wall of any kind.
I just get a kick out of watching movie stars talk about how a wall would work yet they have them round their homes. It would be better for them to say its not worth tax payer money instead.
 
Hoopguru said:
I wasn't really trying to single out one party and as Ive said before many times Im not for a wall of any kind.
I just get a kick out of watching movie stars talk about how a wall would work yet they have them round their homes. It would be better for them to say its not worth tax payer money instead.
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America does not have a problem with Mexicans taking pictures of us from the shrubbery, or tour buses full of Mexicans coming by to gawk at us, or Mexicans wanting to take selfies with us.

In short, walls around houses are mostly for privacy, not to keep immigrants out.

barfo
 
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We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Republicans can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. President Trump, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the United States and Mexico, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Trump, open this gate. Mr. Trump...Mr. Trump, tear down this wall!

Modified Reagan speach
 
barfo said:
America does not have a problem with Mexicans taking pictures of us from the shrubbery, or tour buses full of Mexicans coming by to gawk at us, or Mexicans wanting to take selfies with us.

In short, walls around houses are mostly for privacy, not to keep immigrants out.

barfo
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Not sure I agree with that totally as many are secured with locking gates which is their right. Sure privacy is important but many of them are protected by body guards packing too. And I don't have a problem with that either. People just need to be sincere and truthful.
 
Hoopguru said:
Not sure I agree with that totally as many are secured with locking gates which is their right. Sure privacy is important but many of them are protected by body guards packing too. And I don't have a problem with that either. People just need to be sincere and truthful.
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Well, sincerely and truthfully, there isn't much of a comparison between having a wall around your house and having a wall on the southern border. If a WalMart has walls, why doesn't an airport runway have walls? If your garden shed has walls, why doesn't your cat have walls?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Well, sincerely and truthfully, there isn't much of a comparison between having a wall around your house and having a wall on the southern border.

barfo
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Thank you Barfo, I have been struggling with the wall topic. You just helped me find my position on the topic. But first, a question.

Have you spent much time traveling around any of the countries south of our border?

One thing that stands out is, every one that can afford it, has a wall around their house. And none of these people are movie stars. And most of the walls look the same, except for the super rich.

The walls are as tall as possible, but always too tall to see over. They are made of cheap cement blocks. Barbed wire is too expensive, so they top the walls with broken bottles and sharp glass.

So if they feel safer from their neighbors with a wall around their house, maybe we should learn from them. They know the people trying to break into their homes and into our country.

I do believe there are areas where a new wall, or improved wall, would help keep "some" of the illegals out.
 
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oldfisherman said:
Thank you Barfo, I have been struggling with the wall topic. You just helped me find my position on the topic. But first, a question.

Have you spent much time traveling around any of the countries south of our border?

One thing that stands out is, every one that can afford it, has a wall around their house. And none of these people are movie stars. And most of the walls look the same, except for the super rich.

The walls are as tall as possible, but always too tall to see over. They are made of cheap cement blocks. Barbed wire is too expensive, so they top the walls with broken bottles and sharp glass.

So if they feel safer from their neighbors with a wall around their house, maybe we should learn from them. They know the people trying to break into their homes and into our country.

I do believe there are areas where a new wall, or improved wall, would help keep "some" of the illegals out.
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I think you make a couple of assumptions:

1) What individuals south of the border are afraid of is what we as a country should be afraid of.
2) We should worry a lot about keeping people out.

I'm not sure either are true.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I think you make a couple of assumptions:

1) What individuals south of the border are afraid of is what we as a country should be afraid of.
2) We should worry a lot about keeping people out.

I'm not sure either are true.

barfo
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Ok, two can play.

I am going to assume, the reason for your faulty assumptions about my assumptions is this.

You are too modest to admit you blindly stumbled onto the best every reason to justify the building of the wall.
 
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barfo said:
Well, sincerely and truthfully, there isn't much of a comparison between having a wall around your house and having a wall on the southern border. If a WalMart has walls, why doesn't an airport runway have walls? If your garden shed has walls, why doesn't your cat have walls?

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again, what I'm talking about is I think its funnier than heck when I hear a movie star say "walls don't work", when they are not total sure, just shooting form their political hip. Then they go to their compound that is either walled or gated and secure with guards patrolling. Not for privacy but to keep people out they don't want there.
Its the same when I hear a consecrative take a position on global warming "isn't really happening, its just cyclic" then they go and jump into their large SUV.
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barfo said:
If a WalMart has walls, why doesn't an airport runway have walls?
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I think you wanted to ask why the airport runway does not have greeters and a produce isle. A question I often pondered myself. Why not grab a head of cauliflower during touch-down?
 
oldfisherman said:
Ok, two can play.

I am going to assume, the reason for your faulty assumptions about my assumptions is this.

You are too modest to admit you blindly stumbled onto the best every reason to justify the building of the wall.
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No idea what you are talking about. I didn't bring up walls around houses, Hoopguru did. He gets all the credit, assuming there is any.

Do you disagree you are making the assumptions I listed, and if so why?

barfo
 
Now I'd be totally up for spending $6 billion on an ice dragon to defend our border.

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barfo said:
I think you make a couple of assumptions:

1) What individuals south of the border are afraid of is what we as a country should be afraid of.
2) We should worry a lot about keeping people out.

I'm not sure either are true.

barfo
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I'm pretty sure both are true.
 
tlongII said:
1. I think individuals south of the border are afraid of thieves, rapists, and murderers. As a country we should be afraid of them too.

2. See point #1.
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Sure we should. But is it a fair assumption that a large percentage of those seeking to cross the border fall into that category?

This is the inherent flaw in comparing property walls with a prospective border wall. People seeking to cross into another's private property uninvited are more than likely seeking to do so with nefarious intent. The same cannot necessarily be said about those seeking to cross into another country.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sure we should. But is it a fair assumption that a large percentage of those seeking to cross the border fall into that category?

This is the inherent flaw in comparing property walls with a prospective border wall. People seeking to cross into another's private property uninvited are more than likely seeking to do so with nefarious intent. The same cannot necessarily be said about those seeking to cross into another country.
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Are you opposed to those trying to enter illegally?
 
Hoopguru said:
Are you opposed to those trying to enter illegally?
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I am opposed to unlawful immigration, yes. However I am also not in favor of spending several billion dollars to construct a physical barrier. From an accounting standpoint, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't jibe for me.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I am opposed to unlawful immigration, yes. I am also not in favor of spending several billion dollars to construct a physical barrier. From an accounting standpoint, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't jibe for me.
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Thats 100% how I feel!
Im not for a spending money on a wall at all, but, why did congress in bi partisan fashion a few years back approve a package for a Fence and improve security? I guess they never got around to starting it?
 
$5B is nothing when you consider the totality of government expenditures. While I am skeptical of its efficacy I think it should be approved just to get the government back to work.
 
barfo said:
Well, sincerely and truthfully, there isn't much of a comparison between having a wall around your house and having a wall on the southern border. If a WalMart has walls, why doesn't an airport runway have walls? If your garden shed has walls, why doesn't your cat have walls?

barfo
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Airports have barriers. Fences from what I've seen. I don't know why, cheaper than walls? To keep the wind from affecting takeoff and landing?

Important part is to keep random people from entering places they don't belong.
 
tlongII said:
$5B is nothing when you consider the totality of government expenditures. While I am skeptical of its efficacy I think it should be approved just to get the government back to work.
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and 5 billion will not be enough to build a wall to close off the border. How can it go from 25 billion to 5 bil? The biggest reason is Trump is grasping for anything using the country as hostage with a shutdown, and will likely turn around and do it all over again if a temporary measure can be done to open the government with 5 bil included for his stupid wall. Trump is not a trustworthy person and his promise was Mexico will pay for the wall. He lied.
 
The Dems should approve the $5B. Shit they already included $54B in foreign aid in their budget proposal.
 
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