(Semi-OT) Melo on the block?

[illmatic99]

I think that advantage is hardly more valuable than Attacking the basket and getting to the line.

Vehemently disagree. Dame/Wes would get absolutely torched.

Nic's d has gotten worse this year, but the ability to switch him onto PGs for extended stretches is so undervalued.

 

[magnifier661]

Vehemently disagree. Dame/Wes would get absolutely torched.

Nic's d has gotten worse this year, but the ability to switch him onto PGs for extended stretches is so undervalued.

This is where you and I disagree. Green gets to the line 5 times a game. He shoots 88% from there. This is when he's the second most focused player on Boston. I suspect that number goes up a bit.

Slashing and attacking the basket will force teams to stay on him and not cheat on Lillard or Aldridge. Also, green can get the ball in the post as well.

I'm sorry, but I would much rather have Green than Batum.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I wouldn't want Green over Batum but I would want Green and Olynyk over Batum if you sent Mylie out instead of TRob. Olynyk and Leonard are too similar in style to have both.

 

[magnifier661]

I wouldn't want Green over Batum but I would want Green and Olynyk over Batum if you sent Mylie out instead of TRob. Olynyk and Leonard are too similar in style to have both.

So cut out New York...

Portland trades: Batum and Leonard
Portland receives: Green and Olynyk

That would shed 2 mil off our books too

 

[BrianFromWA]

It's been said, but I don't know that Melo waives the no-trade for POR, much less Boston.

And for all the Melo talk about being a cancer and stuff (justified, I know), he's never been "leader" material. When he's been in "talented follower" mode on Team USA, he's a stud.

So, among all the other gambles (knee, locker room, etc) would he be open to being 1B option on O?

 

[magnifier661]

It's been said, but I don't know that Melo waives the no-trade for POR, much less Boston.

And for all the Melo talk about being a cancer and stuff (justified, I know), he's never been "leader" material. When he's been in "talented follower" mode on Team USA, he's a stud.

So, among all the other gambles (knee, locker room, etc) would he be open to being 1B option on O?

If Melo was on the Blazers instead of Batum, the offense must drastically change. It may be for a good thing though.

I will say this... Melo on the block is almost unstoppable. And something else to think about. Melo's strong side is on the right block, while Aldridge's strong side is on the left block.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I would absolutely move Nic for Melo. When you have a legitimate opportunity at acquiring a superstar you take it and run. It's rare. The only times a superstar is deemed available is when there is a contract dispute or their team is playing awful and they are made the scapegoat. This is one of those moments. We know what a change of scenery can do to guys like Zach Randolph, Pau Gasol, James Harden, etc. Take Melo and run.

 

[magnifier661]

Too bad Batum is shooting so poorly. We probably could pull Melo for Batum and filler

 

[Hobbesarable]

I'm crazy enough to take a chance on him. For Wes + bench scrubs. I don't see him having much value out there.

No, thanks. I'd rather keep Wes.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would trade for Melo. He was on a team that went to the WCF. He can win. It's just a matter of whether he would play here. Adding Melo to our team would make us a legit contender. He might be the best pure scorer in the league, or he's just slightly below Durant.

 

[donkiez]

Ok so if it was just adding him or swapping him with Batum then its a good deal, what would we realistically have to give up to get him? ESPN trade machine wont let you include him in any trades but messing around with it..

Melo makes $22.5

to match that we would need to offer something like

Batum $11.7
TRob $3.7
DWright $3.1
McCollum $2.4
Claver $1.4

Or

Batum $11.7
Wes $7.2
Claver $1.4

 

[BrianFromWA]

all we need to do is get to 17.5M. Batum/Trob/CJ/picks does it. Wes doesn't need to be involved.

 

[donkiez]

Thats a little better, but do you think that would get it done from NY's perspective? Im not so sure.

 

[Denny Crane]

Thats a little better, but do you think that would get it done from NY's perspective? Im not so sure.

This.

My take would be they'd want cap space and draft picks if they're not getting an outright superstar in return.

 

[magnifier661]

This.

My take would be they'd want cap space and draft picks if they're not getting an outright superstar in return.

I can't remember the last time a current super star was traded for a current superstar. So I do agree that, if New York is even considering, it would be young talent and cap relief.

If you use Batum, CJ, and T. Rob as the main pieces, there are two lotto picks and a good playmaking SF. They also shed a ton of cap space, especially for next summer.

I'm not saying this would be their best offer, but it definitely fits the model you just suggested

 

[magnifier661]

Thats a little better, but do you think that would get it done from NY's perspective? Im not so sure.

I think so. Phil's mark is this summer. He will have max money to give to other free agents... If you give them a solid core of role players and youth, other stars would definitely consider.

 

[donkiez]

I think so. Phil's mark is this summer. He will have max money to give to other free agents... If you give them a solid core of role players and youth, other stars would definitely consider.

I think your adding to much homer value to our players. CJ and TRob dont have home run potential, and Batum is solid but he is nearing peak and a NY team of Batum and no one else isnt very good either. with no solid prospect at getting better other than hope for FA. I think Phil's future is with Melo, he has always been a superstar guy and his best talents have been to get the most out of his superstars. If Phil can make it work with Kobe then he can make it work with Melo. My guess is that everyone on NY is up for grabs except Melo.

 

[magnifier661]

I think your adding to much homer value to our players. CJ and TRob dont have home run potential, and Batum is solid but he is nearing peak and a NY team of Batum and no one else isnt very good either. with no solid prospect at getting better other than hope for FA. I think Phil's future is with Melo, he has always been a superstar guy and his best talents have been to get the most out of his superstars. If Phil can make it work with Kobe then he can make it work with Melo. My guess is that everyone on NY is up for grabs except Melo.

It's not adding "home run" potential. New York will not get a superstar in return. They won't even get a potential superstar in return. This summer's draft class is pretty weak above pick 6, so that draft isn't much to ooze over.

As I said above, this is a position move for Phil. If they are able to get Batum, t. Rob and CJ, they have 2 players that are potential playmakers. T.Rob is the energy guy that requires a lot of minutes to get it, but can still defend, rebound and bring energy. These players would work better with Hardaway, shump and J.R. Smith, who don't share the ball obviously.

Portland is giving up a lot for a "win now" move.

Also, New York may start winning with these new pieces. They lack sharing, and all three come from a sharing ball club. If they show promise, Phill will have 2 max contracts free to give this summer, btw

 

[Denny Crane]

I can't remember the last time a current super star was traded for a current superstar. So I do agree that, if New York is even considering, it would be young talent and cap relief.

If you use Batum, CJ, and T. Rob as the main pieces, there are two lotto picks and a good playmaking SF. They also shed a ton of cap space, especially for next summer.

I'm not saying this would be their best offer, but it definitely fits the model you just suggested

It doesn't fit at all. They'd want an amare sized expiring contract and draft picks likely to be at the top of the draft.

Batum, CJ, and TRob aren't guys you'd start rebuilding around.

 

[magnifier661]

It doesn't fit at all. They'd want an amare sized expiring contract and draft picks likely to be at the top of the draft.

Batum, CJ, and TRob aren't guys you'd start rebuilding around.

Depends what your plan for the summer is. From what I remembered reading, Phil is looking to get a max star this summer. This trade would give him the opportunity to offer two max contracts.

The max expiring with a solid pick does not exist. What team(s) would you think have that available?

 

[magnifier661]

Also, you must take into consideration that Melo has a "no trade clause" in his contract. There is no way that he approves going to a team that is going to lose enough to get a top pick.

 

[Denny Crane]

Depends what your plan for the summer is. From what I remembered reading, Phil is looking to get a max star this summer. This trade would give him the opportunity to offer two max contracts.

The max expiring with a solid pick does not exist. What team(s) would you think have that available?

First of all, it would have to be a team Melo would want to play for. He won't just give up his no trade clause for anyone.

Second, you can trade 3x players with expiring contracts, it doesn't have to be the one big expiring contract.

Third, the Knicks are a team with a likely high draft pick and big expiring contracts.

Fourth, if the Knicks wanted 2 big FAs this summer, why wouldn't they want Melo and another top tier player? They're going to be in exactly that position with ~$20M in cap space as it is.

Fifth, the Kevin Love trade might be an indication of what is realistic. TWO home run potential #1 overall picks plus a 25 year old PF coming off a 17 PPG season.

 

[magnifier661]

First of all, it would have to be a team Melo would want to play for. He won't just give up his no trade clause for anyone.

Second, you can trade 3x players with expiring contracts, it doesn't have to be the one big expiring contract.

Third, the Knicks are a team with a likely high draft pick and big expiring contracts.

Fourth, if the Knicks wanted 2 big FAs this summer, why wouldn't they want Melo and another top tier player? They're going to be in exactly that position with ~$20M in cap space as it is.

Fifth, the Kevin Love trade might be an indication of what is realistic. TWO home run potential #1 overall picks plus a 25 year old PF coming off a 17 PPG season.

First of all, this is obviously hypothetical on the basis Melo welcomes to be traded to a winning organization.

Second, Kevin Love for Melo makes absolutely no sense, since Love will most likely opt out and they get nothing. LBJ is a SF, which overlapse talent.

Third, New York would love 2 big time free agents, so moving Melo for a 12 mil (Batum), top 12 pick CJ, plus expiring filler t.rob and whatever else that makes it work would work

Fourth, you still didn't give me the expiring team with a top draft pick Melo will okay to be traded to.

 

[Denny Crane]

Melo is as big a FA as there could be, if he were a FA this summer. So the Knicks already are getting 2 big time free agents, or the equivalent.

You need to read and comprehend what I wrote. I didn't suggest a Kevin Love for Melo deal. Sheesh.

 

[magnifier661]

I will say this though. I could see Chicago definitely being a suitor for Melo. They have the talent to offer New York and winning culture that would make Melo Happy

 

[magnifier661]

Melo is as big a FA as there could be, if he were a FA this summer. So the Knicks already are getting 2 big time free agents, or the equivalent.

You need to read and comprehend what I wrote. I didn't suggest a Kevin Love for Melo deal. Sheesh.

My mistake

 

[Hobbesarable]

Third, the Knicks are a team with a likely high draft pick and big expiring contracts.

Yeah, Amar'e (23.4 mil) and Bargnani (11.5 mil) are set to expire at the end of this season according to hoopshype and basketball-reference.

 

[Hobbesarable]

And JR Smith may opt out of his player option (6.4 mil) if he thinks he can get more after this season.

 

[dviss1]

I cannot stand Carmelo Anthony's game. I'd be pretty upset if we traded for him...

 

[BigGameDamian]

I will say this though. I could see Chicago definitely being a suitor for Melo. They have the talent to offer New York and winning culture that would make Melo Happy

We don't want anything to do with Memo but a team like Chicago does.