Politics Serious question for democrats

[magnifier661]

Doesn't the Democratic Party usually preach that they support the education system? So why is it that the states that lean more towards the Democrats spend the least per student on education?

 

[riverman]

They might have fewer special needs children?

 

[magnifier661]

They might have fewer special needs children?

They also have the highest welfare. Is that what you mean?

 

[riverman]

haha...they may have more homeschooled or private schooled children, fewer single parents and fewer intentional communities. These things are hard to quantify.

 

[riverman]

English may be a first language for more families?

 

[riverman]

What we really need is a maroon country...red and blue are so 1950s

 

[magnifier661]

haha...they may have more homeschooled or private schooled children, fewer single parents and fewer intentional communities. These things are hard to quantify.

But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about them not being as educated. The Democrat states budget the least amount to their schools

 

[riverman]

In the case of Oregon, without a sales tax contributing to education we rely on property owners, alcohol, tobacco and gambling for our budget and it's not working. If you live here and rent, don't smoke, drink or gamble...you basically get a free ride. Where I live homeschooling and private schooling is huge.

 

[riverman]

Local kids in Hawaii that make 200 bucks a day on the ginger farm or fishing drop out of school at an alarming rate. They don't value education at all. My son was born there but after teaching there, I'd never let him go to school in the islands.

 

[magnifier661]

In the case of Oregon, without a sales tax contributing to education we rely on property owners, alcohol, tobacco and gambling for our budget and it's not working. If you live here and rent, don't smoke, drink or gamble...you basically get a free ride. Where I live homeschooling and private schooling is huge.

Yes, but we are talking percent of the actual funds.

 

[riverman]

I want to see more spent on education and when it comes to many governing boards, have little faith in any group that allocates funds for the public. I probably shouldn't even discuss the
bi partisan issue because I think it's dividing the country and being defined as more important than it should be. Go maroon!

 

[magnifier661]

I want to see more spent on education and when it comes to many governing boards, have little faith in any group that allocates funds for the public. I probably shouldn't even discuss the
bi partisan issue because I think it's dividing the country and being defined as more important than it should be. Go maroon!

I 100% agree. I think the GOP and DEMS need to put their head on straight and fix our country from within. Cutting education is a shitty way to invest in our future.

 

[riverman]

Yes, but we are talking percent of the actual funds.

Disablity checks are soaking Oregon's funds. People here are not very happy with the governor I can assure you. Corruption doesn't have a political definition

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I 100% agree. I think the GOP and DEMS need to put their head on straight and fix our country from within. Cutting education is a shitty way to invest in our future.

That would be a start. Also, teachers should be held more accountable.

 

[magnifier661]

That would be a start. Also, teachers should be held more accountable.

1000% this! There are teachers that don't really give a shit. They bought into the fact that they are underpaid and shouldn't do more than required.

 

[riverman]

That would be a start. Also, teachers should be held more accountable.

Parents should be more accountable and actually have parenting skills before they start making babies

 

[kjironman1]

Disablity checks are soaking Oregon's funds. People here are not very happy with the governor I can assure you. Corruption doesn't have a political definition

Are you talking about Kate Brown? Or the Kitz?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Parents should be more accountable and actually have parenting skills before they start making babies

Okay? I was speaking more towards the ACTUAL teaching of material not life skills...

 

[magnifier661]

Parents should be more accountable and actually have parenting skills before they start making babies

That would open up a huge can of worms bro.

 

[riverman]

Are you talking about Kate Brown? Or the Kitz?

I should have said Kitz..my bad..Kate Brown I only know one thing about and it's from sensationalism in the press

 

[riverman]

That would open up a huge can of worms bro.

Taiwan for example has a highly successful public school system that is fueled by parents who beyond the overcrowded classrooms in public school pay for tutoring all through their children's lives. It's working like a charm. Here it would mess with too many entertainment budgets. Priorities.

 

[magnifier661]

Taiwan for example has a highly successful public school system that is fueled by parents who beyond the overcrowded classrooms in public school pay for tutoring all through their children's lives. It's working like a charm. Here it would mess with too many entertainment budgets. Priorities.

I agree, but many liberals are against holding the public accountable. Look around you and you will find this being a huge problem on both sides. And personally I believe its a good thing. Last thing we need is the federal government forcing us how to parent.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

1000% this! There are teachers that don't really give a shit. They bought into the fact that they are underpaid and shouldn't do more than required.

Maybe if they weren't underpaid...

 

[kjironman1]

Maybe if they weren't underpaid...

Uh oh?

 

[magnifier661]

Maybe if they weren't underpaid...

I agree with this as well. The fact that a teacher must teach classes of 40 kids, when those 40 kids bring in roughly 400k per year of budget to the school.

It's a complete travesty that they are paid so little

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I agree with this as well. The fact that a teacher must teach classes of 40 kids, when those 40 kids bring in roughly 400k per year of budget to the school.

It's a complete travesty that they are paid so little

The question is where is all this money going?

 

[magnifier661]

The question is where is all this money going?

In California:

Figure K12-04

Where Schools Spend Their Money:

Classroom Instruction 62.4%

Transportation 2.7%

Other General Fund 2.7%

Pupil Services 5.2%

General Administration 5.3%

Instructional Support 11.7%

Maintenance and Operations 10.0%

Classroom Instruction includes general education, special education, teacher compensation, and special projects. General Administration includes superintendent and board, district and other administration and centralized electronic data processing.
Instructional Support includes research, curriculum development and staff development that benefits and supports student instruction.

Maintenance and Operations includes utilities, janitorial and groundskeeping staff, and routine repair and maintenance. Pupil Services includes counselors, school psychologists, nurses, child welfare, and attendance staff.
Other General Fund includes spending for ancillary services, contracts with other agencies, and transfers to and from other district funds.

1 Based on 2011-12 expenditure data reported by schools for their general purpose funding.

 

[riverman]

You get what you pay for in education. You can see kids in the classroom that love being there. Given that, a teacher has something to work with. Unfortunately, knowledge isn't competing with video games or cell phones in many cases. I've taught in Taiwan, Hawaii and Oregon and there's no comparison in the culture of education. Hawaii was the worst.

 

[riverman]

The question is where is all this money going?

Disability checks and medical costs for people who've eaten themselves into diabetic sickness. etc. The amount of middle aged adults collecting money not to work is embarassing

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

In California:

Figure K12-04

Where Schools Spend Their Money:

Classroom Instruction 62.4%

Transportation 2.7%

Other General Fund 2.7%

Pupil Services 5.2%

General Administration 5.3%

Instructional Support 11.7%

Maintenance and Operations 10.0%

Classroom Instruction includes general education, special education, teacher compensation, and special projects. General Administration includes superintendent and board, district and other administration and centralized electronic data processing.
Instructional Support includes research, curriculum development and staff development that benefits and supports student instruction.

Maintenance and Operations includes utilities, janitorial and groundskeeping staff, and routine repair and maintenance. Pupil Services includes counselors, school psychologists, nurses, child welfare, and attendance staff.
Other General Fund includes spending for ancillary services, contracts with other agencies, and transfers to and from other district funds.

1 Based on 2011-12 expenditure data reported by schools for their general purpose funding.

Seems high, we could just hire HCP's family for much less.