Seriously, Is It Time For Roy To Go?

[blazerboy30]

I'm saying, after reading the non-stop "ISO" bitching and such over the summer, that Roy actually has changed his game, and people are still complaining about him. Watching him last night, he was still able to penetrate when needed, he just made some bad decisions with the ball.

This thread is ridiculously over-the-top IMO.

I'm one of those that was asking for less "ISO" offense, and I'm glad to see less of it. However, my concern is that I disagree with the bolded part. I haven't seen Roy able to penetrate and beat his man off the dribble at all this season. And his man-to-man defense has looked atrocious as he gets blown by. I'm just hoping that both of these concerns have nothing to do with health / injury.

I also agree that this thread is over-the-top. But I do have some concerns after the limited sample set from this season.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm one of those that was asking for less "ISO" offense, and I'm glad to see less of it. However, my concern is that I disagree with the bolded part. I haven't seen Roy able to penetrate and beat his man off the dribble at all this season. And his man-to-man defense has looked atrocious as he gets blown by. I'm just hoping that both of these concerns have nothing to do with health / injury.

I also agree that this thread is over-the-top. But I do have some concerns after the limited sample set from this season.

Apparently "+1" isn't a long enough post, so I'm going to say "I agree" instead.

 

[mook]

Roy's defense is getting much, much worse. And that is really concerning.

You look at the Heat this year or the Celtics in recent years, and you see superstars who really changed their games to become much, much more defensive-minded to help turn their teams into championship-caliber.

I'm not giving up on him by a long shot. But somebody needs to sit down with our superstar and show him Paul Pierce, Wade, LeBron, Kobe and even Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton, and explain to him he's not nearly the caliber of defender as those guys. And there's no reason he couldn't be. (Well, at the very least the Ray/Rip level.)

He's approaching Sergio Rodriguez level, where I dread him guarding anybody. Unless it's the last minute of a game, when he miraculously comes to life on that end.

 

[BGrantFan]

Roy's defense is getting much, much worse. And that is really concerning.

I'm not saying Roy is Bruce Bowen, but his Drtg through 6 games this year is 105, and his career number is 110, with a 109 last season. So, if he is getting "much, much, worse", it still appears that the team's defense is better than it has been at any other point in his career. What troubles me more are his offensive numbers in terms of team play, which are way off of his career norm.

Also, Rip Hamilton? He's a fucking sieve on defense. Not having Sheed and Ben Wallace makes a big difference.

 

[Natebishop3]

Roy's defense is getting much, much worse. And that is really concerning.

You look at the Heat this year or the Celtics in recent years, and you see superstars who really changed their games to become much, much more defensive-minded to help turn their teams into championship-caliber.

I'm not giving up on him by a long shot. But somebody needs to sit down with our superstar and show him Paul Pierce, Wade, LeBron, Kobe and even Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton, and explain to him he's not nearly the caliber of defender as those guys. And there's no reason he couldn't be. (Well, at the very least the Ray/Rip level.)

He's approaching Sergio Rodriguez level, where I dread him guarding anybody. Unless it's the last minute of a game, when he miraculously comes to life on that end.

Apparently he only sees LeBron scoring, and not LeBron chasing people down on a break and swatting the shit out of their layup.

 

[BGrantFan]

I must be watching different games than some posters, because Roy's defense of Sefalosha and James Harden was not the problem last night. If the PG could simply box out Westbrook, the Blazers win the game.

 

[OneSport3]

More problematic than his offensive woes is his lack of defense. Roy could arguably be the worst defender on the team. During the past 3 offseasons, Roy has said that his main goal was to work on his defense. However, it seems like his defense has worsened in the past 3 seasons. He doesn't move his feet on defense, he gambles with his hands and is out of position.

I think your best player has to be one of your best defenders. Down the stretch in a tight game, you want him to step up and try to shut down the opponent. During the Bulls championship years, Jordan was their best defensive player, Olajuwon was Houston's best defensive player, Kobe was the Lakers, Tim Duncan was the Spurs, Lebron and Wade are Miami's, Dwight Howard is the Magic's, etc...

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Should the Lakers trade Kobe too while he still has trade value?

 

[Natebishop3]

I must be watching different games than some posters, because Roy's defense of Sefalosha and James Harden was not the problem last night. If the PG could simply box out Westbrook, the Blazers win the game.

Harden had his best game of the season against us last night. The guy has been playing TERRIBLY and he hit some big shots in the second half that helped get them back in the game.

 

[Natebishop3]

Should the Lakers trade Kobe too while he still has trade value?

Yes. To Memphis. It's only fitting.

 

[RoyToy]

More problematic than his offensive woes is his lack of defense. Roy could arguably be the worst defender on the team. During the past 3 offseasons, Roy has said that his main goal was to work on his defense. However, it seems like his defense has worsened in the past 3 seasons. He doesn't move his feet on defense, he gambles with his hands and is out of position.

I think your best player has to be one of your best defenders. Down the stretch in a tight game, you want him to step up and try to shut down the opponent. During the Bulls championship years, Jordan was their best defensive player, Olajuwon was Houston's best defensive player, Kobe was the Lakers, Tim Duncan was the Spurs, Lebron and Wade are Miami's, Dwight Howard is the Magic's, etc...

Agreed. Roy barely even tries to keep his man in front of him and it's sad. You can't just allow dribble penetration that easily or it breaks down the whole defense.

If Roy's looking to be a leader he's definitely not taking the lead by example approach. The amount of walking he did last night still baffles me.

 

[mook]

I'm not saying Roy is Bruce Bowen, but his Drtg through 6 games this year is 105, and his career number is 110, with a 109 last season. So, if he is getting "much, much, worse", it still appears that the team's defense is better than it has been at any other point in his career. What troubles me more are his offensive numbers in terms of team play, which are way off of his career norm.

Also, Rip Hamilton? He's a fucking sieve on defense. Not having Sheed and Ben Wallace makes a big difference.

Yes, it is worse. If our defensive rating has improved, a lot of that is because we are using Marcus Camby instead of Juwan Howard at center, and a healthy Batum and Matthews and Armon Johnson has replaced much of the time used by Outlaw, Bayless and Webster.

 

[alex42083]

No.. we are not trading Brandon freakin' Roy when he's still putting up numbers around his career averages and we're 4-2. Ugh...

 

[Natebishop3]

No.. we are not trading Brandon freakin' Roy when he's still putting up numbers around his career averages and we're 4-2. Ugh...

Why not? Sometimes you have to take risks!!!

 

[Minstrel]

It's not time to get rid of Roy. If he's putting up 20/5/5 during a slump, he's still a damn good player. When those shots start falling like usual, he'll be at least his old self if not even better.

 

[alex42083]

Why not? Sometimes you have to take risks!!!

haha... I can't tell where you stand with your posts in this thread, but I know you know your stuff ... so I'm going to assume which side you're leaning on.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Roy has the best Drtg of his career through 6 games, and saying he makes other around him worse is simply not based in reality. This post is waaaaayyyy out there.

I'm not interested in statistics. I'm interested in reality. I've watched every game and I understand the game. Roy's game does not fit the team. His defense is pedestrian. Those are the facts- IMHO.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It's not time to get rid of Roy. If he's putting up 20/5/5 during a slump, he's still a damn good player. When those shots start falling like usual, he'll be at least his old self if not even better.

Even if he isn't playing defense?

Even if he now hurts the team in critical situations?

Even if he makes those around him lesser players?

Statistics for the sake of statistics, to me, is not the end all debating point. If that were the case, we should have never unloaded Rasheed, Bonzi or Zach. I mean, they had great stats, therefore they must be great players.

 

[Minstrel]

Those are the facts- IMHO.

That's unintentionally brilliant. "Those are the facts...in my opinion." Factual opinion. Opinion facts.

Whether he "fits with the team" or the quality of his defense are not facts. They are opinions. It is a fact that those are your opinions.

Roy has had a few bad games. He fit with the team fine in every previous season and now he's adjusting his game to fit in even better. Wanting to jettison the team's best player over a bad stretch (which was a stretch 90% of players in the league would be happy to have as their level of play) is remarkably silly.

Essentially, that's a wordy way of saying "Get a grip. It's the first 6 games."

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Those are the facts- IMHO.

 

[THE HCP]

Please save this thread so we can go back and laugh at it from time to time.

 

[LittleAlex]

Like any other prophet, this one wanders the wastes of the internet spouting insane proclamations they are convinced are truth.

Nine headed dragons, magical bifocals and B-Roy is the real problem on the Blazers.

 

[hypnosmurf]

lol

 

[Rhal]

Roy fits this team great, he has chemistry with the starters and plays the best when the starters are in the game. What he doesn't' do at the moment is fit with the bench. The bench loves to RUN and play really physical defense, so when you take a look at Roy out their with a few bench guys it almost seems to scream the stuff he isn't' doing well to everyone. His defense isn't that great this year, it seems to be because he looks fairly slow at the moment. We'v only seen 6 games so far and Roy has looked okay in all of them not great, but its only been 6 games. I'm not even thinking of getting rid of our best/franchise player because he is having a few game slump. Is he slowed down because of his knee sugeries? Does he just not want to take hits near the basket because the refs aren't rewarding him as much anymore? Did he throw the game last night because he thought Durant gave him contact so he threw the ball up? Really who cares about this stuff at the moment, those are questions to ask midway threw the season if he continues to stay in this slump... which btw how the hell is a player who is averaging 20/5/5(on par with his career averages) in a slump offensively? Defensively yes he is in a slump, but i'll let that slide for a bit.

 

[BGrantFan]

Harden had his best game of the season against us last night. The guy has been playing TERRIBLY and he hit some big shots in the second half that helped get them back in the game.

Harden had 7 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist, and 1 steal in 25 minutes with a TO. Whoopedy fucking doo

 

[BGrantFan]

I'm not interested in statistics. I'm interested in reality. I've watched every game and I understand the game. Roy's game does not fit the team. His defense is pedestrian. Those are the facts- IMHO.

Good Lord. Let's have a refresher course. A "fact" is that Roy has the best Drtg of his career right now. Perhaps he is playing terrible defense, but my opinion is that the obsessive bitching about Roy and his defense is not based in fact. Plus, your first post this thread is 100% opinion, so I find it a bit surprising that you seem frustrated that not everybody agrees with it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Well, interesting range of opinions. From the sane to the insane. From those who want to seriously discuss the issues to trolls that always seem to hover the forum.

I have no doubt we will keep Roy as long as he wants to be here. But he sure is struggling and my thought is that he may be injured. To those of you who bothered to offer opinions- both for & against, thanks. For the 4 or 5 trolls- get screwed.

 

[RoyToy]

Obviously it's not time for Roy to go but it's definitely time for him to step up and take control of this team. He's not really setting an example with his play(especially on defense) and he's not much of a vocal leader either. Time to step up and be a MAX contract player Brandon Roy.

 

[Natebishop3]

Harden had 7 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist, and 1 steal in 25 minutes with a TO. Whoopedy fucking doo

And those points came at a time when the Thunder were making a run, and eventually helped them win the game. Whoopedy fucking doo indeed.

 

[LameR]

Oh early season hysterics...