Seriously, Is It Time For Roy To Go?

[Charcoal Filtered]

Roy, despite his contract, still maintains tremendous trade value. I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't make a trade for another quality SG or PG more in the mode of what Nate wants. To be sure, off the top of my head I don't have a trade to recommend, but just wanted to see if anyone else questions if Roy is really good for the team and its future success.

This is the problem for me in that I do not believe there is a mythical trade that brings back players that make us a better Nate coached team. No team is going to have 15 guys that are perfect fits.

 

[BGrantFan]

Well, interesting range of opinions. From the sane to the insane. From those who want to seriously discuss the issues to trolls that always seem to hover the forum.

I have no doubt we will keep Roy as long as he wants to be here. But he sure is struggling and my thought is that he may be injured. To those of you who bothered to offer opinions- both for & against, thanks. For the 4 or 5 trolls- get screwed.

I have offered statistical facts along with my opinion. You have offered opinions and tried to pass them as "fact". That I think this thread is silly, and that your points are over-the-top does not make me a "troll". One could say that this thread is trollish, based on your first post, though.

I'll add that trading Roy for a "PG or SG" the fits with Nate is absurd considering Nate doesn't even have a contract for next season at this point.

 

[BGrantFan]

And those points came at a time when the Thunder were making a run, and eventually helped them win the game. Whoopedy fucking doo indeed.

"James Harden played his best game of the season."

7 fucking points with a single FG in each of the 3rd Q, 4th Q, and OT. Yep, he sure took it to Roy!

 

[Natebishop3]

"James Harden played his best game of the season."

7 fucking points with a single FG in each of the 3rd Q, 4th Q, and OT. Yep, he sure took it to Roy!

Look at his last three games....

1-7 against the Jazz.

1-7 against the Clips.

3-5 against the Blazers.

 

[BGrantFan]

Look at his last three games....

1-7 against the Jazz.

1-7 against the Clips.

3-5 against the Blazers.

Great. he wasn't absolutely terrible against the Blazers. Clearly Roy's terrible defense giving up 3 FGs to him is what lost the game.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Look at his last three games....

1-7 against the Jazz.

1-7 against the Clips.

3-5 against the Blazers.

It was three baskets and a very small sample size. If he misses one of those, was Roy playing better?

Should we be criticizing Batum since the lowly Clippers were able to hold Durant to 0-10 behind the arc and 6-24 overall?

 

[LittleAlex]

This is the problem for me in that I do not believe there is a mythical trade that brings back players that make us a better Nate coached team. No team is going to have 15 guys that are perfect fits.

Indeed.

This is the true problem with trading Roy.

What are you going to get back that actually better for this team?
Especially considering Roy is pretty much exactly the type of player Nate wants.
Slow, methodical and effcient.

Or do you believe the statistically disproven notion that Nate wants to up the tempo on this team.

It's already been established that Nate has never, ever coached a team with a tempo that was even average.

Even if you assume that isn't true and Nate really does want to run, who exactly is better then Roy in the league?
There are maybe 10 or 12 players total better, only two of whom are even remotely available via trade.

CP3 maybe? Except he would leave Portland as soon as he could to go play in New York.
Melo? He has already stated he wouldn't play here.

No one else I can think of is even close to Roy's caliber (and age) and a potential trade target.


The reason people don't actually bother giving actual reasons why not to trade B-Roy is because the idea is absurd to the point I could only assume it was a joke.

 

[Natebishop3]

Great. he wasn't absolutely terrible against the Blazers. Clearly Roy's terrible defense giving up 3 FGs to him is what lost the game.

Hey, I said he played his best game. I showed you that he did. He hit some big shots when they were making a run. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Idog1976]

Again . . . go back and look how he started last season. It was more than statistics. It was more than a new PG. He looked awful in November.

You're right. I thought Roy looked a bit off, but he's also been on and silky smooth in some games. I think as always the biggest problem with Roy is endurance. Roy simply didn't have much gas in the tank by the end of the fourth quarter and none whatsoever in the OT. He'll get better. The rebounding is a problem I also want Miller gone. I know he threw mad oops etc. but he's old and slow and it's painfully obvious against younger PG's I'd rather see one of Matthews, Rudy or Johnson out there with Roy and Batum then Miller. He is just too limited offensively and allows teams to cheat on Roy and collapse when Miller is on a wing. At least with Rudy, Matthews and Johnson they somewhat have to respect the outside shot.

I'm not worried about Roy yet, I need a lot more evidence then 6 games played.

 

[Natebishop3]

sorry guys, but it's a game of cost/benefit in the NBA. Very few players are excellent scorers, rebounders, passers, AND defenders. Usually I'm happy if someone is good at two of those four. Miller is an excellent passer, a solid scorer, and a decent rebounder. How many point guards can actually stop guys like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, and Russell Westbrook?

 

[BGrantFan]

Hey, I said he played his best game. I showed you that he did. He hit some big shots when they were making a run. Draw your own conclusions.

I have. I'm not sure what your point is, though. Harden scored 7 out of the Thunders' last 56 points after they were down 64-51. Clearly his were the biggest and most important points. Why, Harden had a whopping 3 point from the 10:44 mark until the end of OT. Fucking Roy! Guard the guy! He was killing the Blazers down the stretch by not scoring!

 

[BGrantFan]

sorry guys, but it's a game of cost/benefit in the NBA. Very few players are excellent scorers, rebounders, passers, AND defenders. Usually I'm happy if someone is good at two of those four. Miller is an excellent passer, a solid scorer, and a decent rebounder. How many point guards can actually stop guys like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, and Russell Westbrook?

Why are you sorry? I already posted this about Miller. Glad we agree!

If he plays like he did in the 2nd half, then it's not worth the cost of his poor defense and lack of blocking out his opponent. If he plays like he did in the first half, the benefit of his PG skills on offense outweigh the cost of his defense.

 

[Natebishop3]

I have. I'm not sure what your point is, though. Harden scored 7 out of the Thunders' last 56 points after they were down 64-51. Clearly his were the biggest and most important points. Why, Harden had a whopping 3 point from the 10:44 mark until the end of OT. Fucking Roy! Guard the guy! He was killing the Blazers down the stretch by not scoring!

Fine... Thabo had 7 points of 3-5 shooting, Harden had 7 points off 3-5 shooting. Thabo's best game of the season as well. That's 14 points the Thunder wouldn't normally have gotten. Is it a ton of points? No, but it pretty much accounts for the lead that we had.

 

[MARIS61]

Oh brother...

19 points/5 reb/ 5 assists on a night when his shot isn't falling. I could swear that I spent the entire summer reading how Roy needs to play off of the ball.

Well, he is doing that this year, which seemed to be what many people wanted, and now some of those same people are bitching about the result.

"Playing off the ball" does not mean standing still and waiting for it to be passed to you.

It means blocking out, setting picks and cutting to the basket, constantly moving to get and stay open and be a distraction to the defense.

All the stuff he doesn't do.

 

[MARIS61]

Brandon and Greg for Durant?

 

[RoyToy]

"Playing off the ball" does not mean standing still and waiting for it to be passed to you.

It means blocking out, setting picks and cutting to the basket, constantly moving to get and stay open and be a distraction to the defense.

All the stuff he doesn't do.

Pretty much. Even when he attempts to it's half-assed.

 

[BGrantFan]

Fine... Thabo had 7 points of 3-5 shooting, Harden had 7 points off 3-5 shooting. Thabo's best game of the season as well. That's 14 points the Thunder wouldn't normally have gotten. Is it a ton of points? No, but it pretty much accounts for the lead that we had.

The guy Miller was allegedly guarding had double that number on his own. I get it. Your M.O. is to bash Brandon Roy. I'll move on at this point.

 

[BGrantFan]

"Playing off the ball" does not mean standing still and waiting for it to be passed to you.

It means blocking out, setting picks and cutting to the basket, constantly moving to get and stay open and be a distraction to the defense.

All the stuff he doesn't do.

I suggest you start watching some games. Aren't you the guy always bitching about Comcast and your lack of TV coverage?

 

[Natebishop3]

The guy Miller was allegedly guarding had double that number on his own. I get it. Your M.O. is to bash Brandon Roy. I'll move on at this point.

Oh come now, you know that my MO is sarcasm. I like to diversify. I bash McMillan too! Oh, and sometimes I like to bash Aldridge, but he's been playing much better lately, so I'm going to have to wait on that one.

 

[Wheels]

I suggest you start watching some games. Aren't you the guy always bitching about Comcast and your lack of TV coverage?

lol that could be me.

 

[Wheels]

! Oh, and sometimes I like to bash Aldridge, but he's been playing much better lately, so I'm going to have to wait on that one.

yeah last night while watching the game, Aldridge pointed to whoever assisted him, but it looked like he pointed to the camera. So the wife decided to say "That was LaMarcus pointing at you (me) calling you out for all the crap you have been talking about him the last 6 months"

 

[Natebishop3]

yeah last night while watching the game, Aldridge pointed to whoever assisted him, but it looked like he pointed to the camera. So the wife decided to say "That was LaMarcus pointing at you (me) calling you out for all the crap you have been talking about him the last 6 months"

hahahaha.... and here I thought I was the only one!

 

[THE HCP]

Let's trade Roy for Theo Ratliff, Bassy and Randy Foye!

 

[Wheels]

hahahaha.... and here I thought I was the only one!

lol nope. I am usually very harsh on one player and Aldridge was it when Channing, Outlaw, and Webster were all gone. But I have been impressed with him lately (except when he watched Ibaka tip in the tying basket last night)

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Let's trade Roy for Theo Ratliff, Bassy and Randy Foye!

Roy can just flip a switch, right?

 

[XXPrimusXX]

The very idea of this topic is pathetic.

 

[THE HCP]

Roy can just flip a switch, right?

Actually he has.
21.5/4.5/3.5

 

[MickZagger]

More problematic than his offensive woes is his lack of defense. Roy could arguably be the worst defender on the team. During the past 3 offseasons, Roy has said that his main goal was to work on his defense. However, it seems like his defense has worsened in the past 3 seasons. He doesn't move his feet on defense, he gambles with his hands and is out of position.

I think your best player has to be one of your best defenders. Down the stretch in a tight game, you want him to step up and try to shut down the opponent. During the Bulls championship years, Jordan was their best defensive player, Olajuwon was Houston's best defensive player, Kobe was the Lakers, Tim Duncan was the Spurs, Lebron and Wade are Miami's, Dwight Howard is the Magic's, etc...

I really don't know where to start with this post...

But, I'm pretty sure Pippen, Artest, Ron Harper, Bruce Bowen all have beef with it.

 

[Minstrel]

sorry guys, but it's a game of cost/benefit in the NBA. Very few players are excellent scorers, rebounders, passers, AND defenders. Usually I'm happy if someone is good at two of those four. Miller is an excellent passer, a solid scorer, and a decent rebounder. How many point guards can actually stop guys like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, and Russell Westbrook?

Exactly right. I'd love it if Miller were a one-on-one stopper. He never was, though in his prime he was a solid man defender. He's lost a step, so now he's below average at man defense, but still a good, smart team defender. Combined with his passing, scoring and rebounding, he's still a very valuable point guard. Considerably more so, at this point in time, than Fernandez, Johnson or Matthews.

 

[MickZagger]

Let's trade Roy for Theo Ratliff, Bassy and Randy Foye!

How about Roy for Randy Foye, Chris Anstey and Shawn Respert?