Seriously, Is It Time For Roy To Go?

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BLAZER PROPHET said:
Even if he isn't playing defense?

Even if he now hurts the team in critical situations?

Even if he makes those around him lesser players?

Statistics for the sake of statistics, to me, is not the end all debating point. If that were the case, we should have never unloaded Rasheed, Bonzi or Zach. I mean, they had great stats, therefore they must be great players.
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They WERE great players. Zach still is. An All Star, in fact!
 
No he's not. He's been in the league almost ten years now and he's hasn't been a key contributor on a playoff team in any of them.

He's a black hole.
 
As for the topic of this thread, I'm worried. For the most part, he is just taking step back and fadeaway jumpers, many of which he has made in impressive fashion. But he is NOT going to the basket. Yes, he did a couple times last night (and didn't finish), but FOR THE MOST PART, he's not doing it anymore. He used to be able to score at will by going to the basket. It's been very frustrating and sad. It definitely makes me worry about his knee. Oden's injuries have upstaged Roy's so we sometimes forget how banged up Roy is. That said, if we were to trade him, I would want players like Paul or Melo but as been said before, these guys probably wouldn't stay here. Paul might if Oden turned out to be the real deal. But if I'm him, I'm just fine playing with Okafor.

That's another thing that is sad about Oden. If he had turned out to be the superstar we thought he'd be three and a half years ago, other players around the league would be begging to come to Portland and play with him.

Sigh. I hate losing to a division rival at home early in the season. Those things always come back to haunt you at the end of the year, just like the Denver game last season where Oden missed the free throws. Hopefully, wins against Toronto and LA will make me feel better.
 
MickZagger said:
No he's not. He's been in the league almost ten years now and he's hasn't been a key contributor on a playoff team in any of them.

He's a black hole.
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Bullshit. The closest the Blazers have ever been to the second round in the last 10 years was with Randolph in 2003. We trailed the Mavs and 0-3 and then inserted Randolph into the starting lineup and we won three straight. He was a very key contributor. So he is 3-1 in the playoffs all time as a starter. Since then, he hasn't had good enough teammates to return to the playoffs. You hold it against him that he couldn't win with the Clippers or Knicks? Please. He immediately made the Grizzlies a better team last year.
 
KingSpeed said:
Bullshit. The closest the Blazers have ever been to the second round in the last 10 years was with Randolph in 2003. We trailed the Mavs and 0-3 and then inserted Randolph into the starting lineup and we won three straight. He was a very key contributor. So he is 3-1 in the playoffs all time as a starter. Since then, he hasn't had good enough teammates to return to the playoffs. You hold it against him that he couldn't win with the Clippers or Knicks? Please. He immediately made the Grizzlies a better team last year.
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He was a key contributor? He surprised a lot at the of the year with his, "stick-to-itive-ness". But, he was purely a lunch pale player then. 6th man type. Hardly a key contributor. That was Pippen, Bonzi, Rasheed, Sabonis and Stoudamire's team.
 
How's this for key contributions?

Game 4: 25 points, 15 rebounds. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304270POR.html

Game 5: 22 points, 9 rebounds http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304300DAL.html

Game 6: 21 points, 10 rebounds http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305020POR.html

Game 7: 14 points, 10 rebounds http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305040DAL.html

He was our highest scorer and rebounder through those 4 games that he started. We won 3 of them. He was THE key contributor.
 
KingSpeed said:
How's this for key contributions?

Game 4: 25 points, 15 rebounds. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304270POR.html

Game 5: 22 points, 9 rebounds http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304300DAL.html

Game 6: 21 points, 10 rebounds http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305020POR.html

Game 7: 14 points, 10 rebounds http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305040DAL.html

He was our highest scorer and rebounder through those 4 games that he started. We won 3 of them. He was THE key contributor.
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You said the last time they were in the 2nd round..

Roy's played in more playoff games in his brief career.
 
MickZagger said:
You said the last time they were in the 2nd round..

Roy's played in more playoff games in his brief career.
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Nope. Read my post. I said "the closest we've been to the second round in the last 10 years.". Meaning Roy has only ever won two playoff games in a series. The last time we won THREE, Randolph was a key contributor. He is 3-1 as a starter in the playoffs. So you were wrong when you said "he hasn't been a key contributor on a playoff team.". He was a VERY KEY contributor on the 2003 Blazers PLAYOFF team that was only the 2nd team in the history of the game to come back from 0-3 to force a Game 7. And why did we come back in those three games?? ZACH RANDOLPH. You were wrong.
 
KingSpeed said:
Nope. Read my post. I said "the closest we've been to the second round in the last 10 years.". Meaning Roy has only ever won two playoff games in a series. The last time we won THREE, Randolph was a key contributor. He is 3-1 as a starter in the playoffs. So you were wrong when you said "he hasn't been a key contributor on a playoff team.". He was a VERY KEY contributor on the 2003 Blazers PLAYOFF team that was only the 2nd team in the history of the game to come back from 0-3 to force a Game 7. And why did we come back in those three games?? ZACH RANDOLPH. You were wrong.
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I read your post wrong.

Roy's played in the league for 4 years, I'm sure he'll win a playoff series before Randolph ever does. That was my original point.
 
MickZagger said:
I read your post wrong.

Roy's played in the league for 4 years, I'm sure he'll win a playoff series before Randolph ever does. That was my original point.
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Roy will do so because he has better teammates.
 
It's a mental issue. He went to a psychologist in the summer and he probably messed with his head. Thought it could make him a better leader, well, it looks like the shrink's advice was to be the worst player on the court in order to gain respect...
Also, I didn't like how we were playing Batum, Mathewss, LMA, Camby and Roy. That's pure bull-shit from Nate, trying to make Roy feel better. Well, you know what Nate, we should have gone with Armon instead of Roy and we would be blowing the game open. you know what #2 - Mcmillan should take leadership lessons if he thinks the way to bring Roy back to form is playing him when he shouldn't be playing. thus, hurting the team.
 
After the latest surgery I was one of the first to say that I think Roy breaks down in 2 years. Others criticized that comment, but I still think the tread is awfully thin. This could be the Phoenix version of Penny Hardaway. Roy's injury was obviously not as bad, but he has had a lot of knee surgeries and his game is built on change of pace under control. I think you need some semblence of a meniscus to keep that type of game going. I think he may be easing his way back now, but I think it's not a bad idea to try to move Roy now before he breaks down.
 
Zybot said:
After the latest surgery I was one of the first to say that I think Roy breaks down in 2 years. Others criticized that comment, but I still think the tread is awfully thin. This could be the Phoenix version of Penny Hardaway. Roy's injury was obviously not as bad, but he has had a lot of knee surgeries and his game is built on change of pace under control. I think you need some semblence of a meniscus to keep that type of game going. I think he may be easing his way back now, but I think it's not a bad idea to try to move Roy now before he breaks down.
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I agree with this.

The amount of pressure put on Roy will shorten his career pretty significantly.


Every other team in the NBA knows this as well. Another reason why actually trading Roy is impossible.

A better idea would be to lessen his load so he doesn't end up like D-Wade 2 years ago.
 
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