SETH Curry to Portland

[Cippy91]

How was Crabbe an asset? It's a miracle he found a buyer for him.

He wasn’t after the contract, I’m just saying these are guys Neil said would be assets. Davis actually was an assset yet we let him go. Turner would be an asset on a much cheaper contract but barely and Meyers on a cheaper contract probably wouldn’t be one at all honestly. Crabbe would of been a great asset on a cheap contract.

 

[theprunetang]

He wasn’t after the contract, I’m just saying these are guys Neil said would be assets. Davis actually was an assset yet we let him go. Turner would be an asset on a much cheaper contract but barely and Meyers on a cheaper contract probably wouldn’t be one at all honestly. Crabbe would of been a great asset on a cheap contract.

How is Meyers not an asset?
Remember, you can't spell asset without ASS.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

He wasn’t after the contract, I’m just saying these are guys Neil said would be assets. Davis actually was an assset yet we let him go. Turner would be an asset on a much cheaper contract but barely and Meyers on a cheaper contract probably wouldn’t be one at all honestly. Crabbe would of been a great asset on a cheap contract.

Matching the Crabbe contract was a mistake but I'm fine with it, standard overpay and paying for potential that all teams whiff on from time to time.

The Turner and Meyers contracts are indefensible. No other team was offering similar. Neither had starter upside. They were even worse than the Darius Miles contract. Either are fireable offenses for an NBA GM.

 

[jlprk]

Do Blazers even get any bird rights for Curry if he has a big year? Or will we not be able to resign him because we will be over cap?

Are we able to retain Curry if he has a big year or are we screwed because of the cap? Anyone know? Isn’t this a terrible signing without birds rights? Either he plays bad or he plays good and we don’t have cap room to retain... lose lose right?

Yes, but if he has a big year he will obviously opt out... my question is, can we go over the cap to retain him or are we screwed?

So basically if he has a big year he is gone... like if we traded CJ and he became our starter and averaged say 15 ppg and 44% 3pt he will leave for more money... seems like a pointless signing without a 2nd year as a team option

Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Gronk.

Olshey is quite the chaperone. Curry is a one-night stand. Entertainment for one season, then he vamooses out of state. Leaving us alone with SteakSauce.

 

[Sarni]

He wasn’t after the contract, I’m just saying these are guys Neil said would be assets. Davis actually was an assset yet we let him go. Turner would be an asset on a much cheaper contract but barely and Meyers on a cheaper contract probably wouldn’t be one at all honestly. Crabbe would of been a great asset on a cheap contract.

This I agree with. Crabbe at $5million would be an asset. Meyers at $2million would be someone you waive, stretch and forget. Turner at $5million would maybe be a minor asset.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Matching the Crabbe contract was a mistake but I'm fine with it, standard overpay and paying for potential that all teams whiff on from time to time.

The Turner and Meyers contracts are indefensible. No other team was offering similar. Neither had starter upside. They were even worse than the Darius Miles contract. Either are fireable offenses for an NBA GM.

Am I the only one who wonders if the Turner signing impacted the return on Crabbe? Like, did Turner's presence and role impact Crabbe's mindset and opportunities? Is it possible that had Turner not been signed, Crabbe would have been better for us?

Probably not the case, but professional athletes can be so fragile sometimes, I can't help but wonder if one impacted the other.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Am I the only one who wonders if the Turner signing impacted the return on Crabbe? Like, did Turner's presence and role impact Crabbe's mindset and opportunities? Is it possible that had Turner not been signed, Crabbe would have been better for us?

Probably not the case, but professional athletes can be so fragile sometimes, I can't help but wonder if one impacted the other.

I'd rather have Crabbe than Turner right now.

People forget resigning Crabbe was the thing to do. He had that extremely small cap hold before we matched the offer the Nets gave him. Neil "had" to use the cap (and did so in signing Turner to that ridiculous deal) before matching Crabbe which put us way over the cap. It was a bad summer to have cap space because everyone had cap space. You wonder if he could have taken on some bad deals with 2nd rounders or something instead of signing Turner. Probably not for that year. In hindsight, resigning just Crabbe would have been better. Then we wouldnt have Nicholsons stretched money on the books too.

 

[James lamphear]

Curry is a good signing if the kid can stay healthy. But Curry and Nik got sign until Simons and Trent gets developed there rookie year.

 

[Sarni]

I'd rather have Crabbe than Turner right now.

People forget resigning Crabbe was the thing to do. He had that extremely small cap hold before we matched the offer the Nets gave him. Neil "had" to use the cap (and did so in signing Turner to that ridiculous deal) before matching Crabbe which put us way over the cap. It was a bad summer to have cap space because everyone had cap space. You wonder if he could have taken on some bad deals with 2nd rounders or something instead of signing Turner. Probably not for that year. In hindsight, resigning just Crabbe would have been better. Then we wouldnt have Nicholsons stretched money on the books too.

Nets forced our hand but we did not have to match that offer. We should not have, there was no way Crabbe was worth 75% of the contract we had just given to Dame.

If we had not signed Turner and let Crabbe and Leonard go, we would have probably still done fairly fine in 2016-17 and would have been able to absorb several bad deals in the following year and acquire picks. The 2015-16 campaign gave the wrong impression that this team was 'young and talented'. We had two young and talented players on the roster, the rest was just what we should have expected them to be in 2015 - journeymen players who can play 15-20 mpg off the bench and that's all.

 

[riverman]

How is Meyers not an asset?
Remember, you can't spell asset without ASS.
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Meyers finally with a break out season...only it's his skin that's breaking out

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Nets forced our hand but we did not have to match that offer. We should not have, there was no way Crabbe was worth 75% of the contract we had just given to Dame.

If we had not signed Turner and let Crabbe and Leonard go, we would have probably still done fairly fine in 2016-17 and would have been able to absorb several bad deals in the following year and acquire picks. The 2015-16 campaign gave the wrong impression that this team was 'young and talented'. We had two young and talented players on the roster, the rest was just what we should have expected them to be in 2015 - journeymen players who can play 15-20 mpg off the bench and that's all.

Disagree. Matching Crabbe was the right move at the time. He is overpaid but he is more useful than Turner. Crabbe is still 26 and at the time had the "potential" thing going for him.

 

[Sarni]

Disagree. Matching Crabbe was the right move at the time. He is overpaid but he is more useful than Turner. Crabbe is still 26 and at the time had the "potential" thing going for him.

Matching $18million a year for a bench player is never a good decision. Should have let him go, $18million is the sort of money you pay to your second or third best player.

 

[TBpup]

3 of the highest 5 players on the Blazers were bench players for good parts of the season or in Meyers' case, didn't play much at all.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

IF healthy he's a great addition to the bench.

Did you watch the video? What do you think? (Not sarcasm).

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Matching $18million a year for a bench player is never a good decision. Should have let him go, $18million is the sort of money you pay to your second or third best player.

Now, sure. But that summer everyone thought the cap was going to continue to go up.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

He wasn’t after the contract, I’m just saying these are guys Neil said would be assets. Davis actually was an assset yet we let him go. Turner would be an asset on a much cheaper contract but barely and Meyers on a cheaper contract probably wouldn’t be one at all honestly. Crabbe would of been a great asset on a cheap contract.

I mostly agree with you, but I do have some disagreement, too.

Biebs after contract: a negative asset
Crabbe after contract: not an asset
ET after contract: a negative asset

Neil HAS NOT made very many mistakes, but these 3 were doozies. By signing them to the contracts they got, he converted assets to negative assets or nonassets. We're still suffering for these mistakes, as you know.

Aminu after contract: a definite asset
Harkless after contract: a definite asset
Davis after contract: a mediocre asset

We really didn't lose much of an asset with Davis. If Davis was much of an asset, his agent would never have signed him to the horrible Nets for tiny $$$. The only reason Davis qualifies as an asset at all is because I think they're planning on using him as trade bait at the deadline.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Am I the only one who wonders if the Turner signing impacted the return on Crabbe? Like, did Turner's presence and role impact Crabbe's mindset and opportunities? Is it possible that had Turner not been signed, Crabbe would have been better for us?

Probably not the case, but professional athletes can be so fragile sometimes, I can't help but wonder if one impacted the other.

Is Crabbe thriving as a starting guard with the Nets?

 

[illmatic99]

After a night, I think we're all sleeping on this move. He was a terrific scorer before his injury. If he's healthy, he's better than Napier/Pat/et al.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Is Crabbe thriving as a starting guard with the Nets?

Alongside Jeremy Lin and Deangelo Russell? I'm not sure if the situation is a valid corollary.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Alongside Jeremy Lin and Deangelo Russell? I'm not sure if the situation is a valid corollary.

I'm really not sure of your point? Is your point that maybe Crabbe would be worth his completely outrageous contract if he were playing next to Draymon and Steph? Crabbe is mediocre as a backup, sucks as a starter. I'm glad he's gone - I was tired of @Boob-No-More continually statistically proving how bad Crabbe's defense was, and is.

 

[tester551]

I like that some people think we should give up serious assets, including CJ, for Kawhi, with the assumption that the culture here would make him resign instead of leaving for LA. The same people think the culture has no way to keep Seth "Not Steph" Curry after a year.

It is one way or the other. You don't get to bitch about one and cheer on the other. Pick.

There is a major difference that you're ignoring. Money is king.....

Kahwi would come with bird rights, so we could also pay him more than any other team.

If Seth balls out, we can only pay him with whatever exception we have available (maybe the MLE - if not used this year).

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[RR7]

While I agree with Kyler, "positionless" basketball works best when its 2/3/4s that you're losing up on, ala Boston, GS, where you can switch everything on defense. Positionless basketball doesn't function AS well IMO, when it's all guys that are like 6'3

 

[Labinot41]

You had a chance to troll @SlyPokerDog style and......

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[oldmangrouch]

Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Gronk.

Olshey is quite the chaperone. Curry is a one-night stand. Entertainment for one season, then he vamooses out of state. Leaving us alone with SteakSauce.

He is doing Curry, or more likely his agent, a favor. If the Blazers get anything out of it, that's a bonus. That is also a bass-ackward way for a GM to think.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

While I agree with Kyle, "positionless" basketball works best when its 2/3/4s that you're losing up on, ala Boston, GS, where you can switch everything on defense. Positionless basketball doesn't function AS well IMO, when it's all guys that are like 6'3

6’3 guys with horrible to average at best defense.

 

[Gronk Brady]

He is doing Curry, or more likely his agent, a favor. If the Blazers get anything out of it, that's a bonus. That is also a bass-ackward way for a GM to think.

The Blazers can get nothing out of this... If Seth has a good year he will opt out and we won’t have cap room to resign him

 

[RR7]

The Blazers can get nothing out of this... If Seth has a good year he will opt out and we won’t have cap room to resign him

If seth has a good year...that's what the blazers got out of the deal. A good cheap year for a bench player. They didnt sign him hoping he becomes his brother suddenly and we lock him in.

 

[e_blazer]

The Blazers can get nothing out of this... If Seth has a good year he will opt out and we won’t have cap room to resign him

I find your concern on potentially losing a backup PG a little odd given your "who gives a rip" attitude about trading CJ for Kawhi and potentially having him walk after a year.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

My god we're a mess.

Not the team, the fans.