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n0cturne said:
Who cares if he's okay with it or not. The only focus this franchise should have now is maximizing the development of Shae, Scoot, and Ayton. Anything that gets in the way of that needs to be removed.

I think moving Simons has been the obvious move for a while now. Let Brogdon come off the bench and anchor the 2nd unit.
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Honestly I think Ant taking Brogdons roll next year might work. Ant can take all the shots he wants in 2nd unit while giving us a 3pt shooter
 
cheesehoff said:
There are times where I want to see him be a little "tougher", for lack of a better word. He's laid back and a soft spoken kid. I have noticed a couple times in the last couple games where there was a loose ball and he didn't go after it like he should have. Today in the Pistons game there was a rebound that got knocked around near him. He grabbed the ball and had it knocked away from him really easily. As he went to retrieve the ball, he had it knocked away again by a guy who barely reached the ball and Shaedon almost looked surprised. If he had just gone after the ball more aggressively, he would have either been fouled or out in the open court leading a fast break.
What I really want to see is Shaedon getting roughed up or out hustled enough that it pisses him off. Laid back is great. Not showing emotions is okay. But, occasionally I want to see him get pissed off and really exert himself. Say, Pat Bev gets the best of him in an important spot in the game and let's him know about it. I want to see him get a little snarly and go right back at him...with authority...with bad intentions. I think once he knows he still has another gear, or two, and being angry isn't a bad thing, I think we'll see what he is truly capable of doing.
Can you imagine what he could do if he had the 'won't back down' attitude of a John Stockton or the fierce competitiveness of MJ? If he did, watch out!
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I appreciate his calm demeanor. He's the perfect contrast to a hyper aggressive Scoot. Honestly, just think he's too naiive to understand the magnitude of the moment and he simply goes about his business. Chauncey was saying last yr he had no clue who his opponents were.

Also love that we have both he and Scoot to complement each other. Can we fast forward a few yrs and see them in the playoffs?
 
I'd hold on the Simons trade talk until we know what we have in Scoot. Even if Scoot eventually becomes a very good player, it may not be for a couple of years, I don't think he's ready to play big minutes yet.

Scoot/Simons/Sharpe all starting is another possibility
 
illmatic99 said:
Shaedon's playmaking is a serious threat. Exceeding even my most optimistic expectations.
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It is very noticeable how well he shares the ball and finds the open man. I like him at the 2, but he clearly could handle PG duties for a few minutes a game if needed. Honestly, his scoring/assist/rebound numbers remind me a bit of number 22. It would be super easy for him to justify being a ball hog with Ant out. But his offense has been very balanced with shooting and passing.

Clyde at 21: 8pts/3reb/2asst. Clyde second year in the league 17/6/6. Although Clyde entered those seasons on a better team than the current Blazer team.
 
illmatic99 said:
he's overqualified for that role tho
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lots of great players who’ve excelled in that roll but you’re probably right can’t see him being happy in that role after being a starter. Would be ideal for us because it would have that dynamic scorer off the bench who would be going against 2nd string players. It would also give us a shooter we could bring in late in games slide Sharpe to 3 in late game situations
 
1 Eye Jack said:
lots of great players who’ve excelled in that roll but you’re probably right can’t see him being happy in that role after being a starter. Would be ideal for us because it would have that dynamic scorer off the bench who would be going against 2nd string players. It would also give us a shooter we could bring in late in games slide Sharpe to 3 in late game situations
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Perhaps but let's see a full season of Ant being the #1 go to guy before moving him to a bench role. I feel like he was destined to breakout this yr in a big way (like 25/7/5 big on great efficiency).

And I've been impressed with Scoot's defense while Ant seemed improved in the one game we saw him. I want us to see 50+ games of Scoot/Ant/Shae before deciding it won't work.
 
illmatic99 said:
Perhaps but let's see a full season of Ant being the #1 go to guy before moving him to a bench role. I feel like he was destined to breakout this yr in a big way (like 25/7/5 big on great efficiency).

And I've been impressed with Scoot's defense while Ant seemed improved in the one game we saw him. I want us to see 50+ games of Scoot/Ant/Shae before deciding it won't work.
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My problem is making Ant #1 means Sharpe again slides down a slot. The less of Sharpe you ask the less you get from him. Twice now (late last season and early this season) he’s been asked the be the “guy” and twice he’s shown he can be that guy (although small sample size).

Sharpe is the better assist guy and ball flows in offense better with him while Ant is the bester shooter. I want the player that makes players around him better
 
1 Eye Jack said:
lots of great players who’ve excelled in that roll but you’re probably right can’t see him being happy in that role after being a starter. Would be ideal for us because it would have that dynamic scorer off the bench who would be going against 2nd string players. It would also give us a shooter we could bring in late in games slide Sharpe to 3 in late game situations
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I don't see him having a problem if it is successful. I think we often project how we would take getting benched, rather than how a professional who just got paid would feel. Either way, he would get his minutes and would be on the court in crunch time....unless they add someone else who can shoot even better. Now if he came off the bench and we sucked then I agree he won't be happy......none of them will.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
You know who else shot a lot of finger rolls …Drexler, Ice Man and others who could jump out of the gym.
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I've been wanting a Drexler like player on this team for so long. All the shit about Damian being the best Blazer ever. Does anyone who is old enough to remember Clyde think Damian was a better player?
 
beast crnjo said:
I've been wanting a Drexler like player on this team for so long. All the shit about Damian being the best Blazer ever. Does anyone who is old enough to remember Clyde think Damian was a better player?
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Only at the end of games. Clyde had size and could jump out of the building for an SG. He was an excellent 2-way player. But I preferred Porter taking the last shot. But overall yeah I agree with you. If I had to choose one of them right now....in their prime...I choose the Glyde.

he just wasn't as good as MJ
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Only at the end of games. Clyde had size and could jump out of the building for an SG. He was an excellent 2-way player. But I preferred Porter taking the last shot. But overall yeah I agree with you.
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Clyde wasn't really a half court closer, but Damian's "clutchiness" is extremely over-rated. He botched/missed it far more often than not. Damian just had some incredible clutch shots in the playoffs.

Clyde was also a master at leading the break and finding guys for easy dunks/layups.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Shae can't go back to the bench. That would be criminal.

If I'm Cronin, I'm exploring options over the next six weeks. Either Simons or Brogdon need to go. I just don't see Simons being happy coming off the bench.
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I genuinely don’t think there’s a lot of pressure on the FO to make moves right now. After going all in they’re calling the big blinds and waiting out the table.
 
beast crnjo said:
I've been wanting a Drexler like player on this team for so long. All the shit about Damian being the best Blazer ever. Does anyone who is old enough to remember Clyde think Damian was a better player?
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I started to fall into that Dame was better but think I just got wrapped in Dames scoring. Drexler was a guy that made everyone better a
Pinwheel1 said:
Only at the end of games. Clyde had size and could jump out of the building for an SG. He was an excellent 2-way player. But I preferred Porter taking the last shot. But overall yeah I agree with you. If I had to choose one of them right now....in their prime...I choose the Glyde.

he just wasn't as good as MJ
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Only thing that separated MJ and Drexler was desire and work ethic. Drexler had all the same tools and MJ even said it.

Sharpe has so many similarities

- both jump out of gym
- both decent 3 pt shooters
- both score from all 3 levels
- surprisingly both are decent assist guys, who make the game easier for teammates
- both kind of have that attitude that at times seems disinterested (not a lot of emotion)
- can score in bunches
- Drexler was a decent defender and Sharpe seems like he will be
- neither great dribblers
- sharpe starting to show Drexler finger roll

Hopefully he continues to play at this level. Sure there are going to be ups and downs but love what I see so far
 
Natebishop3 said:
Thybulle has been terrible and really not that effective on defense. He’s starting because we didn’t really have a great option at the three, but now we have Camara.
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I really really like Camara and think he’s exactly what we need at the 3.

3 and D who gets you hussle plays that extend offensive possessions or gets you defensive stops/rebounds. I would start him now
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Sharpe has so many similarities

- both jump out of gym
- both decent 3 pt shooters
- both score from all 3 levels
- surprisingly both are decent assist guys, who make the game easier for teammates
- both kind of have that attitude that at times seems disinterested (not a lot of emotion)
- can score in bunches
- Drexler was a decent defender and Sharpe seems like he will be
- neither great dribblers
- sharpe starting to show Drexler finger roll

Hopefully he continues to play at this level. Sure there are going to be ups and downs but love what I see so far
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I would add that IMO Sharpe will end up as a vastly better 3-point shooter. Clyde would either make it or shoot an airball. But that was a different era.
 
BonesJones said:
He can also be our starting SF. He's defended 3s particularly well this year.
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Especially since I believe he can add another 10 lbs of muscle to that frame. Not this year of course but by the time he is 22. I see him playing both wing positions long-term and having a shooter like Ant spreading the floor will help both he and Scoot.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Especially since I believe he can add another 10 lbs of muscle to that frame. Not this year of course but by the time he is 22. I see him playing both wing positions long-term and having a shooter like Ant spreading the floor will help both he and Scoot.
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For half a second I forgot which thread I was in and thought “Camara can add more muscle?!?!”
 
Personally I want nothing to do with Sharpe being the regular starting SF. He is a SG, and a better one than Ant. Just the way it is in my opinion. But just because we have Ant does not mean to move the taller Sharpe to SF. Portland will then be undersized at both SG and SF. I'm sure Cronin has learned from the Dame/CJ/Powell lineup that small ball sucks. Sharpe should be the starting SG, period. Ant or Brogdon should be the sixth man with the other traded for a fair return, whatever that may be. My two cents.
 
So, with the Shae/Clyde comparisons (or similarities) be espoused, where are on our path to recreating that incredible 90's team?

Porter: Scoot?
Clyde: Shae
Jerome: Camara
Buck: ???
Duck: Ayton (although I think Ayton has a better all-around game)

Who do we get to fill the Buck position?
 
MickZagger said:
Didn’t some douchebag in here say his ceiling was Gerald Green?

That guy has always just been desperate for attention.
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That was me. I was saying we have to stop sweating him only for his dunks or he’ll be known as Gerald Green
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
So, with the Shae/Clyde comparisons (or similarities) be espoused, where are on our path to recreating that incredible 90's team?

Porter: Scoot?
Clyde: Shae
Jerome: Camara
Buck: ???
Duck: Ayton (although I think Ayton has a better all-around game)

Who do we get to fill the Buck position?
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Remember, we traded for Buck and he was basically the final piece. I am thinking history will repeat itself and we will make that trade in a season or two. Does not have to be this season. Ayton and Brogdon are the only playoff proven players on the team. I do not think Brogdon will be around when Portland starts contending. He may not be here after the trade deadline. Ayton will be. I think the PF of the future is in the league now. No idea who it is. But he is developing on someone else's dime at the moment. Portland has the assets to trade for him now. Does not have to be an all-star. Good defender and rebounder that can put up 10-12 PPG.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
So, with the Shae/Clyde comparisons (or similarities) be espoused, where are on our path to recreating that incredible 90's team?

Porter: Scoot?
Clyde: Shae
Jerome: Camara
Buck: ???
Duck: Ayton (although I think Ayton has a better all-around game)

Who do we get to fill the Buck position?
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I think whoever it is needs to have more range than Buck had on offense. Porter was an excellent 3pt shooter. Unless Scoot improves in that area, we will need one of our forwards to make up for it. Actually, I see Camara more as a Buck Williams type, (doing the dirty work) so maybe someone who can spread the floor like......Grant? Long term I think we need to draft a dynamic young forward. No one is going to trade us one.
 
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