Shaedon Sharpe MRI Update

[Predator]

Is there any evidence that force feeding a straight from HS kid to the league speeds up their development? Much/most of his 1st year development will happen outside of of our purview where the people who actually make player personal decisions are watching. He needs to learn how to be a pro. What will and won't work against professionals in practice. What to eat. How to train... etc. How good he'll eventually be largely depends on how dedicated he is to the sport when he is outside of actual NBA games. Perhaps there are good reasons managements of teams across sports often shelter their prized young players and ignore impatient fans on message boards...

All "we" need to do is decide whether to attend games/buy the league pass.

STOMP

Literally *everybody* talks about how you can’t get *game reps* in practice when they comeback from injury so they’re going to be rusty, out of shape, the game is moving faster etc.

It’s not rocket science. Experience is the best teacher.

I’d also add that KG, TMac and Kobe were all pretty much force fed minutes.

 

[wizenheimer]

Pardon my French but I don’t give a rat fuck what he is ready for

I’ll use a football example

A lot of rookie QBs aren’t ready to play day 1; but they’re damn sure a lot better at the end of the season (or even midseason) for doing it.

those rookie QB's played at least 3 years in college before their first NFL snap

 

[julius]

those rookie QB's played at least 3 years in college before their first NFL snap

I would argue that it's much easier for a 18-19 year old to adjust to the NBA/size, than it is for a rookie in the NFL (esp given their age)

 

[wizenheimer]

I would argue that it's much easier for a 18-19 year old to adjust to the NBA/size, than it is for a rookie in the NFL (esp given their age)

could be the case....my point was that comparing Sharpe to any NFL rookie QB was a bad comp....apples to oranges

 

[Hoopguru]

ESPN reporting Sharpe doesn't need surgery.

 

[Hoopguru]

SS playing time will depend on just how good he his during practice. If he stands out and plays with smarts, within the team, he will earn his minutes. Especially if he has good defensive skills?

 

[Scalma]

I’d also add that KG, TMac and Kobe were all pretty much force fed minutes.

and the team that actually made the playoffs was the one where their rookie played the least and wasn’t even in the rotation to begin the season (Kobe/LA)

 

[Hoopguru]

Sharpe is the same age as Banchero, Smith, Daniels, Sochan & Dieang?
I realize that didnt play the year of college hoops but he may not be that far behind them if at all?

 

[Hoopguru]

Blazers reported Wednesday that he doesn't need surgery.

 

[Scalma]

Sharpe is the same age as Banchero, Smith, Daniels, Sochan & Dieang?
I realize that didnt play the year of college hoops but he may not be that far behind them if at all?

he’s younger than Banchero. And the only guy on that list that’s on a team with playoff aspirations is Dyson.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sharpe will be an allstar!

(after he's traded to the Pacers.)

 

[Hoopguru]

he’s younger than Banchero. And the only guy on that list that’s on a team with playoff aspirations is Dyson.

SS turned 19 in May Panchero in NOv both 19 now.

 

[Predator]

those rookie QB's played at least 3 years in college before their first NFL snap

Ok, let me adjust then:

Pete Caroll at USC was notorious for playing freshman over older players because they had the potential to be something special.

Side note: Your point also kinda helps my point. 3 years of college still didn’t prepare them for the NFL (for the most part); what prepares them for the NFL was playing in the games, reading the defenses in real time, and getting used to real time speed. A lot of them suck up the joint for the first half -> 3/4 of a season before it “clicks”.

 

[Predator]

and the team that actually made the playoffs was the one where their rookie played the least and wasn’t even in the rotation to begin the season (Kobe/LA)

He played in every single one of the first ten games except the first game.
And he played in all the playoff games.
And what’s the obsession with making playoffs? Who gives a rat fuck. The obsession should be with competing. Our best chance to compete comes with massive growth from Shaedon, and maybe Nas too.

This is why bad teams (see: Memphis) abandon the vets to get the young guys minutes. They know where they are if they stayed on the same path. Squeaking into the 6/7/8 seed and making the playoffs is a treadmill move. GSW were also force feeding their younger guys minutes as well.

but I do recall Kobe saying that not playing his first year really pissed him off and ultimately benefitted him … although he did play and avaeraged almost the same amount of minutes that I think Shaedon should get.

 

[Scalma]

He played in every single one of the first ten games except the first game.

yeah, this definitely looks like a rotation player, lol he earned his minutes just like Sharpe will have to do. Cry more about it.

 

[illmatic99]

Literally *everybody* talks about how you can’t get *game reps* in practice when they comeback from injury so they’re going to be rusty, out of shape, the game is moving faster etc.

It’s not rocket science. Experience is the best teacher.

I’d also add that KG, TMac and Kobe were all pretty much force fed minutes.

i'm torn. i agree that a #7 pick should be given at least a clear pathway for minutes. Our roster construction makes it very difficult at the moment. But i need to see some flashes from Shaedon before just handing it to him.

These were Kuminga's (#7 pick in 21) split stats last year from October to April. I didn't follow GS closely enough but was the minutes increase a result of injuries to others?

 

[Natebishop3]

Cry more about it.

Yeah! You tell em!

 

[Scalma]

Yeah! You tell em!

this you? Any deeper and you'd choke

I don't know why you worry so much about what other people post

 

[Pinwheel1]

i'm torn. i agree that a #7 pick should be given at least a clear pathway for minutes. Our roster construction makes it very difficult at the moment. But i need to see some flashes from Shaedon before just handing it to him.

These were Kuminga's (#7 pick in 21) split stats last year from October to April. I didn't follow GS closely enough but was the minutes increase a result of injuries to others?

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I honestly don't see why the #7 pick should be given minutes just because of where he was drafted. That to me is like a college football coach
making sure a 4 * recruit gets minutes over a 4th-year walk on. Most good coaches will tell players when they report that their "star" status is all the same now.
They need to earn playing time.

 

[Hoopguru]

Maxie played 15 minutes pg his rookie year and was 19. 1 year at Kentucky
Jumped to 30 plus minutes on contending team.

 

[Hoopguru]

I honestly don't see why the #7 pick should be given minutes just because of where he was drafted. That to me is like a college football coach
making sure a 4 * recruit gets minutes over a 4th-year walk on. Most good coaches will tell players when they report that their "star" status is all the same now.
They need to earn playing time.

And the good ones usually do.

 

[illmatic99]

I honestly don't see why the #7 pick should be given minutes just because of where he was drafted. That to me is like a college football coach
making sure a 4 * recruit gets minutes over a 4th-year walk on. Most good coaches will tell players when they report that their "star" status is all the same now.
They need to earn playing time.

re-read my post. i never said this.

i said pathway for minutes after showing flashes. the avenue for Shaedon to "earn" minutes involves beating at least one of Hart or Nas out, or beating out the guy they invested almost 30 mil on as our big free agent splash. This is a fairly unreasonable ask for most rookies, regardless of where they were drafted.

 

[Scalma]

And the good ones usually do.

I dont think anyone is against Sharpe playing as a rookie, as long as he earns it. But just guaranteeing him "16-20" minutes a night? Like, whose expense is that even coming at because Dame, Simons, Hart, Payton, and Nas are all guaranteed 20+ minutes.

 

[THE HCP]

Sharpe needs at least 16-20mpg MINIMUM.
I honestly don’t even care if he “earns” the minutes or not. We need to get him game reps at all costs.

The faster we figure out if we should trade (or keep) him the better.

I don’t want to go into his 3/4 season wondering “what to do with Shaedon” like we did with Ant/Nas (to a lesser extent).

And I still think they both would’ve been better off without Stotts … and would be better players today if Stotts let them actually play.

Bro, you are setting yourself up for a whole bunch of disappointment.

 

[Hoopguru]

I dont think anyone is against Sharpe playing as a rookie, as long as he earns it. But just guaranteeing him "16-20" minutes a night? Like, whose expense is that even coming at because Dame, Simons, Hart, Payton, and Nas are all guaranteed 20+ minutes.

Totally agree, he needs to earn the minutes.
Look at Jermaine O'neal play less than 15 minutes game his 4 seasons here then went to Indy and played 30 plus and became an instant star.
He didnt play here because we were a playoff contender with legit star front court.
I doubt blazers knew he would pop like he did once he played 30 plus per night. If they did he wouldn't have been traded.

 

[Natebishop3]

this you? Any deeper and you'd choke

Hey, I was agreeing with you man. You provide a public service for this forum. I don't know where we'd be without.

 

[hoopsjock]

The only reason I think forcing Sharpe minutes is different than a normal rookie is because he already sat out a year. If you don't force him minutes this season then by next season he'd be over 2.5 years removed from playing in high school. This is a rare case where I think making sure you don't completely lose him is more important than making him earn it. It's such a tough position to be in for Chauncey and is why I wasn't thrilled with selecting someone who needed reps even if he wasn't ready. Now, this could all be moot points if Sharpe does earn the minutes right away.

Depth is usually a good problem to have, if you're winning, so hopefully that is the case. I'm just so confused why they traded away CJ/Norm for "flexibility" only to use that flexibility on loading up the same position.

 

[illmatic99]

Hey, I was agreeing with you man. You provide a public service for this forum. I don't know where we'd be without.

insults and put downs? i think a lot of us would be fine without that.

 

[Natebishop3]

insults and put downs? i think a lot of us would be fine without that.

It's a cross to bare. Someone has to play the villain!

 

[hoopsjock]

Totally agree, he needs to earn the minutes.
Look at Jermaine O'neal play less than 15 minutes game his 4 seasons here then went to Indy and played 30 plus and became an instant star.
He didnt play here because we were a playoff contender with legit star front court.
I doubt blazers knew he would pop like he did once he played 30 plus per night. If they did he wouldn't have been traded.

Every single Blazer player said Jermaine was the best player in practice. On a team with some damn good players, that's saying a lot. He was also promised minutes that never came.

I wonder if Cronin made any promises.