Shaedon Sharpe MRI Update

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illmatic99 said:
insults and put downs? i think a lot of us would be fine without that.
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Yeah you can be aggressive, or you can act like a victim when someone calls you out on your own condescension. People handle things differently I suppose.
 
Predator said:
Literally *everybody* talks about how you can’t get *game reps* in practice when they comeback from injury so they’re going to be rusty, out of shape, the game is moving faster etc.

It’s not rocket science. Experience is the best teacher.

I’d also add that KG, TMac and Kobe were all pretty much force fed minutes.
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You aren't wrong, but I would offer 2 caveats. First, giving players minutes without making them earn them can have a variety of negative consequences. Second, this approach is inconsistent with the team's "win now" public stance.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
So many threads turn into Scalma telling everyone to cry. You'd think he has a sexual fetish of seeing/thinking about people crying.
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I try to cry... but alas I have never actually shed a tear while surfing this forum. I think there's something wrong with my tear ducts.
 
Isn't it funny how most of us are almost all in the same boat except for a few minor disagreements and then one person gets overboard and disrespectful, and the whole convo goes awry? (usually the same suspects) but just ruins the forum experience.

Like literally everyone here wants to see Shaedon succeed AND earn minutes.

Looking forward for my break from posting. Such a toxic environment at times.
 
illmatic99 said:
Isn't it funny how most of us are almost all in the same boat except for a few minor disagreements and then one person gets overboard and disrespectful, and the whole convo goes awry? (usually the same suspects) but just ruins the forum experience.

Like literally everyone here wants to see Shaedon succeed AND earn minutes.

Looking forward for my break from posting. Such a toxic environment at times.
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It has never bothered me because life is full of discourse. It would be weird if there wasn't people like scalma. Harmony is boring.

There has only ever been one person on this board that really took it to an unacceptable level and that was PapaG. He tried to go after people outside of the forum. He tried to get people fired.
 
hoopsjock said:
Every single Blazer player said Jermaine was the best player in practice. On a team with some damn good players, that's saying a lot. He was also promised minutes that never came.

I wonder if Cronin made any promises.
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I remember when they traded Moses Malone because of the minute issue, and we know the rest of that story too.
They knew what they had.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It has never bothered me because life is full of discourse. It would be weird if there wasn't people like scalma. Harmony is boring.

There has only ever been one person on this board that really took it to an unacceptable level and that was PapaG. He tried to go after people outside of the forum. He tried to get people fired.
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there's enough discord in my real life. i use the forum (and the blazers) as a release from that. Internet bullies are just annoying to me. I mean, "go cry more?" For expressing an opinion? Like who the fuck says that? whatever...

I'll be back if something of note happens but I'll just read what people write and be done posting til training camp. :byebye:
 
hoopsjock said:
The only reason I think forcing Sharpe minutes is different than a normal rookie is because he already sat out a year. If you don't force him minutes this season then by next season he'd be over 2.5 years removed from playing in high school. This is a rare case where I think making sure you don't completely lose him is more important than making him earn it. It's such a tough position to be in for Chauncey and is why I wasn't thrilled with selecting someone who needed reps even if he wasn't ready. Now, this could all be moot points if Sharpe does earn the minutes right away.

Depth is usually a good problem to have, if you're winning, so hopefully that is the case. I'm just so confused why they traded away CJ/Norm for "flexibility" only to use that flexibility on loading up the same position.
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That's not a good reason. So long as we're competing for the playoffs you play the guys who deserve it, maybe that'll be him. There's nothing like getting reps in actual games but if he's simply not ready you're only going to 1) hurt the team, 2) destroy his confidence, 3) make this message board hate him.
 
illmatic99 said:
there's enough discord in my real life. i use the forum (and the blazers) as a release from that. Internet bullies are just annoying to me. I mean, "go cry more?" For expressing an opinion? Like who the fuck says that? whatever...

I'll be back if something of note happens but I'll just read what people write and be done posting til training camp. :byebye:
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Dude... just block him. Problem solved.
 
Predator said:
Pardon my French but I don’t give a rat fuck what he is ready for
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Funny, thats exactly what management thinks about your opinion which is important because it's their opinion of how to use players that solely matters.

But please please please tell us more because we're hanging on every word

I’d also add that KG, TMac and Kobe were all pretty much force fed minutes.
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The 2 all time wings you note here both averaged the 16-20 MPG you want SS to. But their play statistacally warrented it. Hopefully Shaedon will earn a consistent role as well

STOMP
 
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illmatic99 said:
nah... is all good. i need a break and work has been picking up. nothing much happening here during the dog days as is. Also, i'm finally mobile again, so i've gotta enjoy the last bit of summer i can. :)
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Come back better than ever with your stalking skills.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Come back better than ever with your stalking skills.
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That's another way of saying go to the g league of stalking and when you get back we will see if you can earn some minutes.

No intention of implying anything about anyone's stalking skills were intended by this post, professional driver on a closed course, do not attempt at home, please try the veal and do not forget to tip your servers.
 
So the narrative being pushed that Shaedon is a high school straight to NBA prospect is false. The guy was on a top ten NCAA team for half of a season. He didn't get game action but unlike the NBA where teams are either resting or playing every night, practice is a huge part of the college ball experience. So Shaedon played against some of the best players in college ball last year every week in practice and was impressive enough that Jay Bilas repeatedly attended practices expressly to see him.

This isn't a high school to NBA situation and it's not Ant either. Ant went to a prep school not an NCAA powerhouse and Ant wasn't close to as highly ranked of a prospect as Shaedon. As far as force feeding him minutes I don't know about that and don't think it will be necessary. I think the kid will earn minutes and we might even see him starting by midseason.
 
blazerkor said:
So the narrative being pushed that Shaedon is a high school straight to NBA prospect is false. The guy was on a top ten NCAA team for half of a season. He didn't get game action but unlike the NBA where teams are either resting or playing every night, practice is a huge part of the college ball experience. So Shaedon played against some of the best players in college ball last year every week in practice and was impressive enough that Jay Bilas repeatedly attended practices expressly to see him
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That claim is neglible at best. He switched classes to graduate early and attend UK in what would have been his Senior year of HS. He dodged playing college ball to enter the draft. So the last game he played was in High School and the next game he plays will be in the NBA. Top High School players often get to work out and practice with/against college players in the offseason.

STOMP
 
illmatic99 said:
i'm torn. i agree that a #7 pick should be given at least a clear pathway for minutes. Our roster construction makes it very difficult at the moment. But i need to see some flashes from Shaedon before just handing it to him.

These were Kuminga's (#7 pick in 21) split stats last year from October to April. I didn't follow GS closely enough but was the minutes increase a result of injuries to others?

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Draymond missed most of January, all of February, and a good chunk of march.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
If thats the case, it makes this year harder to watch. Part of the whole pull of this year is watching Sharpe progress. We aren't contenders without Sharpe exploding onto the scene. We need that pick to hit.

I know, I know. Its just one year. I'm not expecting him to be Kobe. But for us to have hope at making any type of noise with Dame's timeline if we don't want to move Sharpe, he needs to be pretty good next year or really really good the year after. Just depends on when Dame slows down.
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Honestly, we probably wouldn't be contenders even of he were Kobe ... It took Kobe a couple years.
 
Hoopguru said:
Totally agree, he needs to earn the minutes.
Look at Jermaine O'neal play less than 15 minutes game his 4 seasons here then went to Indy and played 30 plus and became an instant star.
He didnt play here because we were a playoff contender with legit star front court.
I doubt blazers knew he would pop like he did once he played 30 plus per night. If they did he wouldn't have been traded.
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People tend to forget how much of JO's improvement was attributed to the coaching he received there.

hoopsjock said:
Every single Blazer player said Jermaine was the best player in practice. On a team with some damn good players, that's saying a lot.
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And he had the yips whenever he got in the game, keeping him from earning consistent minutes.
 
I like to think, that he really should be drafted in first 3, but draft was deep, so teams just preferred not to gamble. Can't wait to see him playing, cos he looks ready to go. He will be monster.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If Dame and Ant play 34 mpg, and Nas starts but only gets like 26, that leaves 50 mpg to split between Hart, GP2, and Sharpe. 20 for Hart and 15 each for GP and Sharpe?

PG: Dame 34/Ant 14
SG: Ant 20/GP2 15/Hart 13
SF: Nas 26/Hart 7/Sharpe 15
PF: Grant 30/Walker 10/Watford 8
C: Nurk 28/Watford 10/Eubanks 10

I know that completely cuts Winslow out, but I'm OK with that.
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They aren't going to have 11 people in the rotation.

But they also aren't going to have 11 guys available to play 82 games, so maybe all these guys eventually get minutes. In that case you don't need to limit it to 48 minutes per position.

I wouldn't play Eubanks or Sharpe from your list. I'd put Winslow ahead of Walker. I'd also give GP at least 20 minutes and Hart closer to 30.

That is just to start the season, hopefully Sharpe/Walker improve weeks and months into the year and earn a role.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
They aren't going to have 11 people in the rotation.

But they also aren't going to have 11 guys available to play 82 games, so maybe all these guys eventually get minutes. In that case you don't need to limit it to 48 minutes per position.

I wouldn't play Eubanks or Sharpe from your list. I'd put Winslow ahead of Walker. I'd also give GP at least 20 minutes and Hart closer to 30.

That is just to start the season, hopefully Sharpe/Walker improve weeks and months into the year and earn a role.
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This is why I put down 20 minutes on my breakdown and said that it could depend on who we play, whether those minutes go to Eubanks or Watford. This was covered briefly with Cronin in that interview and he basically said that they're going to have to get creative with lineups depending on who they face.
 
STOMP said:
That claim is neglible at best. He switched classes to graduate early and attend UK in what would have been his Senior year of HS. He dodged playing college ball to enter the draft. So the last game he played was in High School and the next game he plays will be in the NBA. Top High School players often get to work out and practice with/against college players in the offseason.

STOMP
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You're either trolling or I feel sorry for you. You think Shaedon Sharpe "dodged college ball"? This guy is a serious competitor who switched from dominating in Canada as freshman (leading his team to an Ontario champioship [the most populace province in the country]) to play higher level HS ball in the states, where he switched again to be in a more competitive situation. I take him at his word when he says that he went to Kentucky to play ball but when his name flew up the draft boards he chose the more competitive situation again in the NBA. I'm not denying that we haven't seen him in competitive situations at the college level, I'm just saying he definitely played competitively at the college level and guys like Billas and a ton of scouts loved what they say. His own teammate TyTy Washington said that Sharpe was the best player there.

Comparing Kentucky practices to random pickup games in the summer is preposterous but that's OK you seem to constantly go to ridiculous stretches just to try and be right when you're clearly wrong.
 
illmatic99 said:
nah... is all good. i need a break and work has been picking up. nothing much happening here during the dog days as is. Also, i'm finally mobile again, so i've gotta enjoy the last bit of summer i can. :)
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isn't that dude Bert Kolde in your picture? I don't know what to think about him, from everything i have read so far, it seems like he's an asshole and not really friendly. But i don't really know whats his role exactly is on the Blazers
 
handiman said:
People tend to forget how much of JO's improvement was attributed to the coaching he received there.



And he had the yips whenever he got in the game, keeping him from earning consistent minutes.
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I remember him holding his own versus a legit Shawn Kemp and the Sonics during his rookie year.
 
At this point Sharpe is a "project." How good and how advanced remains to be seen. Like any young project, the Blazers will bring him along and find spot minutes for him as appropriate, based on his progress and ability. No sense getting wound up about it now.

:cheers:
 
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