Shaedon Sharpe vs Brandon Roy

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Natebishop3 said:
I just really have a hard time believing this. Paul might have sold the team, but I really don't think the team would have been moved.

I don't know how people can be so confident that the team won't move now, but so many people believe that the team would have moved if not for Brandon Roy.
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This was right before the Seattle to OKC move so it was still not something the NBA really learned to abhor - and I have heard enough people with inside information that believe it was true. There were groups that wanted to move a team (OKC) - what if they could get their hands on the Blazers before the Sonics / Thunder a couple of years later? I am not buying the idea that the team would have been sold but not moved as an absolute, it clearly happened to the Sonics just a couple of years later. Let's remember that in the 2000s you had multiple teams being moved. The Griz moved to Memphis, Sonics to OKC, didn't the Charlotte Hornets move to New Orleans and become the Pelicans later, and Charlotte got the Bobcats? (I can't follow which of these teams were what at what point).

Is it 100% sure? No. But I am a lot more confident in it than I am with the idea that Roy somehow fucked Portland, which he did not. He had an opportunity to make some extra cash after his livelihood was taken from him, in no small part, because of the sacrifice he made for the Portland Trailblazers success. He had no obligation to anyone but himself and his family - and if Minnesota was willing to sign him up to give it another go, he would have been stupid not to do it.

Whatever it was, from my point of view, Roy s what made me a real Blazers fan. I moved to Portland in 1996, didn't really care for any specific team but became a "fan" going to a game against Houston (wanted to see Barkley and Hakeem) but fell in love with the fan experience (I was never a Pippen or Rasheed or Damon fan, I just liked how the fans enjoyed the games). And then the Jail Blazers era came and I hated it, and I lost interest in that team after the fallout and the crap ZBo years. Brandon Roy was what brought me back, I had a chance to spend a very little time with him and he was so nice to my wife and kid - even tho he did not have to, so for me, Roy is my real ground zero of Blazers fandom.
 
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Probably the closest guy who's playing now is Devin Booker. So the wildly optimistic view of Sharpe is Devin Booker with twice the athleticism.
 
bigbailes said:
The Portland fan base has a pretty earned reputation as being some of the most obsessive in the league (good and bad). Just listen to the way national media guys talk about PDX fans and the hate they get when they say anything bad the team. My guess is it comes from being a one pony town in the professional sports world!
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I've heard this said about Jazz, Celtics, Warriors, and Raptors fans as well. 3 out of 4 of those fans have multiple pro-sports teams. You can find clips of the national media talking up/down the majority of fan bases, so I can't use sound bites or tweets as proof this fan base is the most sensitive in all of sports.

I'm not saying Blazer fans aren't into their team, I'm questioning that this fan is so incredibly unique that they do things no other fans base does. I personally don't see it.
 
Tince said:
I've heard this said about Jazz, Celtics, Warriors, and Raptors fans as well. 3 out of 4 of those fans have multiple pro-sports teams. You can find clips of the national media talking up/down the majority of fan bases, so I can't use sound bites or tweets as proof this fan base is the most sensitive in all of sports.

I'm not saying Blazer fans aren't into their team, I'm questioning that this fan is so incredibly unique that they do things no other fans base does. I personally don't see it.
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I have relatives in San Diego, and they would do the same thing to current and former Padres, as well as current and former Chargers.

It's not unique to Portland or Oregon.
 
B-Roy said:
PG was one of the most explosive dunkers early in his career:


The way he lifts off is very reminiscent of Sharpe.
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Dude every time I watched him come down hard after a dunk I flinched...
 
Mediocre Man said:
He fucked us, so fuck him. That and he’s been to Portland less times than I have over the years
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How did he "fuck" the Portland trail Blazers? The team amnestied him and his return had no cap impact. He didn't force Paul Allen or anyone to pay him big checks fully guaranteed.

Every elite athlete is delusional about still being good or still being able to play or still being in their prime long after its over. He's very normal in that regards. Its not his fault the Blazers setup their insurance coverage the way they did, or the NBA medical retire rules are the way they are, or the Timberwolves are idiots and gave him $5million bucks of the full MLE.

Yeah I wish he had been more involved with the Blazers after his career. But if this animosity you have is shared by many in the Blazers organization its pretty easy to see why he was not welcomed and not involved since.

He isn't running around promoting the Twolves and talking about how great their franchise is. If he was doing that (like a different former allstar-SG of ours is doing in Texas) then yes I'd say fuck him.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
How did he "fuck" the Portland trail Blazers? The team amnestied him and his return had no cap impact. He didn't force Paul Allen or anyone to pay him big checks fully guaranteed.

Every elite athlete is delusional about still being good or still being able to play or still being in their prime long after its over. He's very normal in that regards. Its not his fault the Blazers setup their insurance coverage the way they did, or the NBA medical retire rules are the way they are, or the Timberwolves are idiots and gave him $5million bucks of the full MLE.

Yeah I wish he had been more involved with the Blazers after his career. But if this animosity you have is shared by many in the Blazers organization its pretty easy to see why he was not welcomed and not involved since.

He isn't running around promoting the Twolves and talking about how great their franchise is. If he was doing that (like a different former allstar-SG of ours is doing in Texas) then yes I'd say fuck him.
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I agree here. Drexler actively shits on the Blazers and borderline disavows them. He’s far worse than BRoy in that regard.
 
julius said:
I have relatives in San Diego, and they would do the same thing to current and former Padres, as well as current and former Chargers.

It's not unique to Portland or Oregon.
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This is my experience as well. Fan bases like the believe their fandom/behavior is far more unique or special than it really is. We're all crazy!
 
Tince said:
I've heard this said about Jazz, Celtics, Warriors, and Raptors fans as well. 3 out of 4 of those fans have multiple pro-sports teams. You can find clips of the national media talking up/down the majority of fan bases, so I can't use sound bites or tweets as proof this fan base is the most sensitive in all of sports.

I'm not saying Blazer fans aren't into their team, I'm questioning that this fan is so incredibly unique that they do things no other fans base does. I personally don't see it.
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I don't think it's specific to Portland but I do think there is a certain chip on the shoulder when it comes to single market cities. I look at fanbases like the Jazz and Thunder that seem to have the same kind of reputation.
 
Two things about Brandon's game I always thought were special:

1. His sense of finding a way to get enough space to get up a good shot.

2. His ability to finish at the rim with either hand.

Athletically, he was good but not close to elite. He was precise. His game was fine-tuned. There are things I've seen Shaedon do already that are very Brandon-like, but Shaedon is several tiers above Brandon on the ladder of athletic ability. Shaedon's ceiling is so high it's incredible.
 
bigbailes said:
I don't think it's specific to Portland but I do think there is a certain chip on the shoulder when it comes to single market cities. I look at fanbases like the Jazz and Thunder that seem to have the same kind of reputation.
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Could be true. But as mentioned, Boston and Toronto fans have the same rep. And of course, there can be a difference between reputation and fact.

Regardless, the OP I responded to implied that Portland was an outlier in this regard, which I continue to question.
 
PCmor7 said:
Two things about Brandon's game I always thought were special:

1. His sense of finding a way to get enough space to get up a good shot.

2. His ability to finish at the rim with either hand.
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Agreed - he could get a layup like very few players.

PCmor7 said:
Athletically, he was good but not close to elite.
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I'd say he was close:

 
Kano John said:
Not even in my top 10 - I prefer the bump and grind guys like Buck Williams, Marice Lucas, Brian Grant etc.
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Never understood the people that have the best player on the team as their favorite, seems so boring to me. Give me the Kerseys, Bucks, BGrants, Harts of the world over the top guys. To each their own though.
 
bigbailes said:
Never understood the people that have the best player on the team as their favorite, seems so boring to me. Give me the Kerseys, Bucks, BGrants, Harts of the world over the top guys. To each their own though.
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Yep - Jerome Kersey is in my top 10 and Hart and Grant are two of my favorites on this years team.
 
I’m waiting to discuss Sharpe or Mathurin? Probably to early though.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I’m waiting to discuss Sharpe or Mathurin? Probably to early though.
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Since Mathurin was drafted first, the only reason to compare the two would be if Sharpe significantly outplays him. So yes, I would say it's too early to initiate that discussion.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Agreed - he could get a layup like very few players.



I'd say he was close:

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With all due respect, no. Only about half of those dunks were really semi-impressive for a 6-7 wing. Several of them he basically just dropped the ball over the rim. The Blazers have had A LOT of players who were more explosive athletes and better leapers than Brandon. The only respect I'd say he was a much higher than average athlete for an NBA player was in coordination/body control.

That's not meant to be a knock, but I'd much rather see Travis Outlaw, Ruben Patterson or even Quintel Woods getting loose around midcourt and going in for a dunk than Brandon Roy.
 
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