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Fez Forthright said:
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- Dickau was always a fan of the team and org.
- Dame was Buchanan's pick.
- Was his dream to work for the team.
- Neil was an ass to him on multiple occasions and treated him condescendingly and with lots of profanity.
- Neil's interview of him was a sham.
- Dickau took screenshots of their convo as proof.
- He's no longer a fan of the team because of Neil.
 
RR7 said:
To be fair, the extension we were able to offer was far less than what he could get as a free agent. It made absolutely no sense for ANY free agent to sign what we could present to him, IIRC.
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Even more of a reason to trade him. I don't blame Aldridge for walking. I blame the Blazers for getting nothing in return.
 
AldoTrapani said:
Then what happens if as a “fuck you” LMA lies comes out and says “hey I wanted to resign but they blazers did me dirty and traded me”

Now the Blazers reputation becomes extremely bad around the league and probably gives a sour lasting taste for a young Dame about the franchise
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Teams don't get a bad rep for making trades... You don't have to keep a player just because he wants to be there.

You make trades if you think it works out better for the team.
 
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wizenheimer said:
as Phat points out, if Aldridge was intending to stay in Portland he would have signed an extension. I'm not 100% positive, but under the CBA rules at that time, a max extension for Aldridge would have been equal to any max he would have received from any other team, EXCEPT it would have come with bigger step raises. So, he was turning down more money from Portland than he would have made anywhere else. That right there is a pretty significant indication he was not going to re-sign

it's true, that team was probably the closest Portland has been to contention since the Pippen team; they certainly haven't been closer since. But,IMO, it's also true they were much more pretender than contender. So then, trading Aldridge would not really have been risking a championship.

the Blazers were not going to get a lot for Aldridge if they traded him just prior to the deadline (about the time they traded for Afflalo). But whatever they would have received, was more than they ended up with. And, trading him in the off-season before that deadline would have likely brought back much more than at the deadline

I agree that on the list of Olshey miscalculations it ranks rather low....but it's certainly there
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That's my recollection regarding the contract as well, but I don't know for sure.

Doesn't make sense that other teams could offer more than we could.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Trams don't get a bad rep for making trades... You don't have to keep a player just because he wants to be there.

You make trades if you think it works out better for the team.
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it took me a minute to figure out if you meant trans or not.

you are typing like me now! Lol.
 
Whoever they get next….won’t be high profile or a successful seasoned executive. I think the perception isn’t great from the outside. The trajectory of the team, in all fairness, is probably perceived from the outside as on the way down. The ownership situation, Lillard situation and age, tough market, it’ll be a first year GM or maybe a retread who just wants another job. Just my guess.
 
Phatguysrule said:
That's my recollection regarding the contract as well, but I don't know for sure.

Doesn't make sense that other teams could offer more than we could.
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Other teams couldn't offer more, it was just that the rule on extensions at the time was one in which we could inky offer him an extension worth about 18 a year, but he could get over 20 on a regular contract.
 
calvin natt said:
Whoever they get next….won’t be high profile or a successful seasoned executive. I think the perception isn’t great from the outside. The trajectory of the team, in all fairness, is probably perceived from the outside as on the way down. The ownership situation, Lillard situation and age, tough market, it’ll be a first year GM or maybe a retread who just wants another job. Just my guess.
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This is what was said about the coaching search and we got multiple candidates in for an interview who were perceived as high profile. Chauncey had multiple suitors.

At the end of the day, there are only 30 of these jobs. And ownership (even with all the drama) is relatively stable. And if Neil's recent tenure is any indication, there's very little oversight from higher ups nowadays, as well as a penchant to spend to win.

We'll get who we want.
 
I don't see why we couldn't get someone like Dunleavy Jr. We need to grab a potential on the upswing guy and role the dice anyways.
 
calvin natt said:
Whoever they get next….won’t be high profile or a successful seasoned executive. I think the perception isn’t great from the outside. The trajectory of the team, in all fairness, is probably perceived from the outside as on the way down. The ownership situation, Lillard situation and age, tough market, it’ll be a first year GM or maybe a retread who just wants another job. Just my guess.
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will be interesting for sure...I think the Vulcans/Jody will hire someone with close Seattle ties to co-market along with Root Sports.
 
I'd really like this to be the end of Olshey as Blazer GM, but he's survived a bunch of actions that would have been the end of lots of GM's. I'm not holding my breath
 
Blazer Freak said:
Neil sounds like an asshole and a shitty person to work for but you can't fire someone for being a dick if you are trying to get out of paying them.
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You absolutely can try to find reasons to fire someone. This is a private organization. They need to see if any of the things he's done has breached his contract.

Also, fuck Neil. People that are not held accountable but bad at their jobs should absolutely be fired.

Now we know why we never hear leaks from Neil's FO, given the way he runs his ship.
 
was curious, are there any women holding a GM position in the NBA, and are there any solid female candidates?
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I don't see why we couldn't get someone like Dunleavy Jr. We need to grab a potential on the upswing guy and role the dice anyways.
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Because Dunleavy 1) loves the Bay Area 2) works for a great GM and his former agent Myers and 3) doesn’t need the money
 
illmatic99 said:
This is what was said about the coaching search and we got multiple candidates in for an interview who were perceived as high profile. Chauncey had multiple suitors.

At the end of the day, there are only 30 of these jobs. And ownership (even with all the drama) is relatively stable. And if Neil's recent tenure is any indication, there's very little oversight from higher ups nowadays, as well as a penchant to spend to win.

We'll get who we want.
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Chauncey is a first time coach as well. I didn’t say they won’t get anyone. Just don’t think it’ll be a job people jump at unless it’s a very young/ inexperienced guy or retread and play it safe type.
 
I don't think he should be fired for just being a mean guy. He should be fired for his poor performance as of late. If he does get fired i would like a candidate who either tanks and builds strongly though the draft or goes for the big dick all or nothing plays no treadmill middle ground.
 
Blazinaway said:
was curious, are there any women holding a GM position in the NBA, and are there any solid female candidates?
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Two G league teams, Atlanta and DC, have female GMs. Pacers have female assistant GM.
 
Apologies in advance if this sounds snarky.

Several folks have raised the idea that this is all about finding a way to fire Olshey without paying him off. I'm sorry, but were people asleep during recent events with the Thorns and women's soccer? Portland fired a guy. Years later he got into trouble for his behavior with another team. Fans threatened protests and boycotts against Portland.

I admit I don't fully understand their logic - I guess Portland was supposed to conduct a public inquisition and trash the guy to the point he would never be able to get a job again. The point is, just firing him wasn't enough.

My guess is that Jody and the Vulcans were spooked by that situation. The goal here isn't to save money. For PR reasons they need a show trial. They need to denounce and discredit Olshey so that any future misconduct won't somehow get blamed on them.

Stotts was lucky. There were no accusations about his behavior, so they could just fire him for job performance.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Apologies in advance if this sounds snarky.

Several folks have raised the idea that this is all about finding a way to fire Olshey without paying him off. I'm sorry, but were people asleep during recent events with the Thorns and women's soccer? Portland fired a guy. Years later he got into trouble for his behavior with another team. Fans threatened protests and boycotts against Portland.

I admit I don't fully understand their logic - I guess Portland was supposed to conduct a public inquisition and trash the guy to the point he would never be able to get a job again. The point is, just firing him wasn't enough.

My guess is that Jody and the Vulcans were spooked by that situation. The goal here isn't to save money. For PR reasons they need a show trial. They need to denounce and discredit Olshey so that any future misconduct won't somehow get blamed on them.

Stotts was lucky. There were no accusations about his behavior, so they could just fire him for job performance.
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The part on the Thorns doesn't feel accurate at all. When you say you don't fully understand, it's pretty clear you do not.

He was accused of issues here, and Thorns management did a review, and " didn't renew his contract". But chose not to report anything, and that allowed him to continue on being a predator, instead of making a deal of it. They were supposed to trash a guy so he didn't get hired again. But he did. And his shit behavior was allowed to continue. That's why Wilkinson is on leave. He did nothing. Nobody took action to support the players. Other than just not renewing his contract.
 
In skimming through this thread there appear to be a handful of people who are implying this was created because the Blazers are looking for a reason to fire Olshey w/out pay. Is there any evidence to support this theory? Even if that is the eventual outcome that he is fired with cause, it doesn't prove that was the motive for the investigation.

Poor Dwight Jaynes is about to lose his only source. Since the accusations he went radio silent (no critique of Olshey) and has came out of his hole to bash all the previous Blazer GMs instead. Now he's going to give up on Twitter all together?

 
Tince said:
In skimming through this thread there appear to be a handful of people who are implying this was created because the Blazers are looking for a reason to fire Olshey w/out pay. Is there any evidence to support this theory? Even if that is the eventual outcome that he is fired with cause, it doesn't prove that was the motive for the investigation.

Poor Dwight Jaynes is about to lose his only source. Since the accusations he went radio silent (no critique of Olshey) and has came out of his hole to bash all the previous Blazer GMs instead. Now he's going to give up on Twitter all together?

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This defense is hilarious. GMs are paid to give their opinion on stuff like this. When that opinion is wrong it absolutely reflects on the GM as part of their performance. Olshey making horrible mistakes doesn't mean other GMs have not also made horrible mistakes.
 
Blazer Freak said:
Neil sounds like an asshole and a shitty person to work for but you can't fire someone for being a dick if you are trying to get out of paying them.

Dan tried to not come off as whining, but I think there's context missing in the lack of communication with him. We aren't talking about a high profile assistant. I've never worked in the NBA, but if you don't think a lot of NBA interactions end in getting ghosted or feeling however Dan did, I think you'd be mistaken.

I'd like for Neil to be gone but I don't think there was anything earth-shattering in this pod. The Blazers are doing their diligence to get of our Neil's contract...which honestly scares me more than anything in this situation. Unless NO got a significant pay raise, the fact they are willing to take a PR hit and risk turning a pivotal season for the team and Dame on saving a couple million is shocking and concerning to me.
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Ya man , I thought the same after listening just now.

The Dickau pod actually was more him whining than anything really.

Why don't people want to point out that maybe Dickau really did go behind Neil's back? and maybe if so, Neil had a right to upset? A person can't get upset or raise their voice to someone or you're bullying them, you guys are just soft sorry to say in this case with Dickau. We are all saints in here apparently, we have never raised our voice to someone or spoke in anger to someone, and if we did, we were a bully is the line of thinking in here with most.

Dickau hasn't gotten another NBA job since then, maybe he's just wasn't qualified for the job. It's very normal for new GM coming in to want to start clean with their own staff and etc. It happens every single time for the most part when there is a new GM or Coach.

It seems like Neil can be a asshole when he is ready, a little blunt around the edges, but that goes for every single person. Nothing Dickau said should warrant a firing though.

No, I am not defending Neil. But I like to play devil's advocate, especially when you guys are so extreme in your dislike for Neil.

Watch and see how many come at me now that I said that about the Dickau podcast and etc.
 
sheed30 said:
Ya man , I thought the same after listening just now.

The Dickau pod actually was more him whining than anything really.

Why don't people want to point out that maybe Dickau really did go behind Neil's back? and maybe if so, Neil had a right to upset? A person can't get upset or raise their voice to someone or you're bullying them, you guys are just soft sorry to say in this case with Dickau. We are all saints in here apparently, we have never raised our voice to someone or spoke in anger to someone, and if we did, we were a bully is the line of thinking in here with most.

Dickau hasn't gotten another NBA job since then, maybe he's just wasn't qualified for the job. It's very normal for new GM coming in to want to start clean with their own staff and etc. It happens every single time for the most part when there is a new GM or Coach.

It seems like Neil can be a asshole when he is ready, a little blunt around the edges, but that goes for every single person. Nothing Dickau said should warrant a firing though.

No, I am not defending Neil. But I like to play devil's advocate, especially when you guys are so extreme in your dislike for Neil.

Watch and see how many come at me now that I said that about the Dickau podcast and etc.
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Isolated incidents can happen yes. Probably has happened to anyone, but if you raise your voice to a lot of people on consistent basis then yes you are a bully.
 
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